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Hey guys, im obviously a newb when it comes to this but I just need some simple help.

I just got in my 5.1 Sony surround sound and I was trying to hook it up to my tv last night.
I am running a PS3 to my Samsung TV with hdmi.
I ran all the speakers to the back of my Kenwood receiver and only had a set of red and white audio cables to run from the receiver to the tv.

I did get sound from the 2 front speakers and the sub but the rear speakers are not working.
I researched online and from what I understand, the basic red and white cables only run 2.1 and not full 5.1

So do I need an optical audio cable to run from the TV to the receiver instead of the red and white cable?
also as you can see theres a port that reads "digital audio out optical" on the TV but where exactly would I run the other end into on the receiver?


heres a pic of the back of my TV and receiver....






please show me an example of what exact digital optical wire I need because theres some with different ends on them.

Please help guys and thank you so much!
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Which Sony receiver do you have? Does it have HDMI?

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my receiver is Kenwood and does not have HDMI.
The back of the receiver is there, i posted a pic of it.
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It was a partial pic and I couldn't see all of the back of your receiver so I wasn't sure. If you get any Toslink optical connector that will work fine.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022904&p_id=2763&seq=1&format=2

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ok so I ended up getting the right wire but I still cant seem to figure out why all the speakers dont work at the same time.
I also attached the Digital Audio cable straight to the PS3 instead of the TV and I now have a Dolby option on my receiver.

This is the thing, theres 2 buttons on my receiver for Speakers "A" and "B"
if both of them are on, then only the front speakers and sub work.
If I click off speakers A then only the back 2 speakers work and if i keep A on and turn B off, theyre back to the front speakers working again.

What do I have to do to get my whole surround sound work.

Its not on stereo mode either.

Also, when I click setup on the receiver it does a speaker check one by one and for some reason when the back speakers sample it sounds like fans from a stadium, weird.
But they do work when I turn off speakers A on the front of the receiver.

Any help would be thankful!
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What is the model number of your receiver? I'll look at the manual and see if I can figure it out.

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What is the model number of your receiver? I'll look at the manual and see if I can figure it out.

that would be awesome

the receiver is Kenwood VR410

the surround sound is Sony SAVS310

thanks a lot for this

Im having a hard time finding the manual for the receiver by itself because I do not have the remote control for it and the manuals im getting online are for the remote.
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Here you go:

http://audio.manualsonline.com/manuals/mfg/kenwood/kenwood_vr_vr410.html

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I looked at it but it just shows the inside info.
Sorry but ima newb.
It doesn't tell me anything about my problem.
Any luck with u ?
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Ya, I looked at it too, and Kenwood's website for the owner manual is bad. Try running the optical cable from your PS3 into the receiver instead of from the tv. See if that works. Oh, and make sure the optical out on the PS3 is enabled too.

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Ya I have the optical cable from the ps3 to the receiver.
Also, I did change the settings on the ps3 but still no luck.
I don't know what the problem is and it's killing me.
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Ensure the receiver is set to decode Dolby digital 5.1 and not in pure direct mode. The pure direct mode defaults to 2.0 if I recall correctly.

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How do I ensure that?
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Without the manual I couldn't tell you the exact steps. Can you snap a pic of the front panel? I might be able to figure it out.

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On the back of the receiver I can see a port "Digital in". Remove the cap from that port and insert your Optical cable there. Make sure the optial port glows before inserting the cable. Also most samsung models wont give 5.1 output through the optical output only normal streao but your reveiver can upgrade that to 5.1 using the Neo setup if one exists.
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I can see a port labelled "Digitial in" in your receiver. Connect the above said cable from your TV's "Digital Optical out" to your reveiver "Digital in" port. Switch the Mode in your receiver to the optical in if needed. Also most samsung TV's doesn't give 5.1 output from the optical out only normal streo, but your receiver can upgrade to 5.1 using Neo setup if available, which wont be too bad.
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Without the manual I couldn't tell you the exact steps. Can you snap a pic of the front panel? I might be able to figure it out.

will do when i get home tonight buddy.
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I can see a port labelled "Digitial in" in your receiver. Connect the above said cable from your TV's "Digital Optical out" to your reveiver "Digital in" port. Switch the Mode in your receiver to the optical in if needed. Also most samsung TV's doesn't give 5.1 output from the optical out only normal streo, but your receiver can upgrade to 5.1 using Neo setup if available, which wont be too bad.

hey,

I have the cable hooked up to the ps3 now which offers 5.1 but still no luck buddy.
trying to figure out why.
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How do I ensure that?

just keep changing the mode in your receicer until you get dolby or dts lights enable in your receiver.
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Try this..

Choose "Live!Surround" for your speaker setup. This will encode 3D sound
in a Dolby Pro Logic compatible format. This will get your rear speakers
into the action. Because that is Dolby's pre-5.1 format, both rear speakers
actually carry the same signal, but the 3D engine knows this is the case
and I'm sure takes it into account in its calculations

Also for the manual try this

http://www.edaboard.com/thread196445.html

I am unable to open the .rar file from office.
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just keep changing the mode in your receicer until you get dolby or dts lights enable in your receiver.

i was and now that its hooked up directly to the ps3, I got it to say dolby but theres no sound from the rear speakers unless I click off speaker button "A" but then the front speaskers go quiet.
its weird brother
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Try this..
Choose "Live!Surround" for your speaker setup. This will encode 3D sound
in a Dolby Pro Logic compatible format. This will get your rear speakers
into the action. Because that is Dolby's pre-5.1 format, both rear speakers
actually carry the same signal, but the 3D engine knows this is the case
and I'm sure takes it into account in its calculations
Also for the manual try this
http://www.edaboard.com/thread196445.html
I am unable to open the .rar file from office.

im going to check that out now, i can open it at my office.
Thanks!

Update: It wont work. My rar extractor is saying this "You need to start extraction from a previous volume to unpack Kenwood-VR410 rec.pdf
No files to extract"

the file the guy posted in that forum is labeled as part2 so theres a part 1 missing which i need to extract first in order for this to work lol
what a mission.
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Try this. blocked in my office.
http://elektrotanya.com/kenwood_vr-410.pdf/download.html

oh ya thats the one I got, I found it yesterday but all it has in it is components and stuff like that. The inside of the receiver.
Looks like gibberish to me lol
doesnt show anything about wiring and trouble shooting
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Is it possible to post the front side photos of the receiver while its connected to ps3?
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Is it possible to post the front side photos of the receiver while its connected to ps3?

ya when I get home later tonight ill post a bunch of pictures of my setup and the front of receiver too
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i dont know if anyone noticed it if you guys look at the first picture there is 3 hdmi ports on the back of the receiver

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i dont know if anyone noticed it if you guys look at the first picture there is 3 hdmi ports on the back of the receiver
That's the back of his TV you bonehead!tongue.gif

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OP. I'm sure you have already checked this but I just want to verify your surround speakers are connected to the correct posts since you mentioned the sound alternating when you pressed the Speaker A/B button.

You should have a set of 8 clip-type receptacles ( 2 rows of 4 clips ) for your surround speakers. The TOP 4 clips are for the Right +,- and Left -,+ if you want to run TWO sets of front speakers. The bottom 4 clips are for speakers in surround mode. They are clearly labeled but if you are hooking them up with the receiver in a confined space, it would be easy to blindly choose the wrong clips.

If the speakers are wired correctly then run the HDMI from PS3 to TV and the TosLink from PS3 to receiver's Optical Input. Use one of the three you have depending on whatever source you want to come from when everything is turned on. If your Samsung TV has an Optical OUT, then you can run the TosLink from TV to Receiver using the Monitor Optical Input. You'll have to decide which is best for you based on the other components, like a Cable or Satellite Receiver, in your setup. There is probably a setting somewhere in the PS3 for changing the audio out from HDMI to Optical Digital depending on how you have to run the TosLink ( to Receiver or from TV ). It has been 5 years since I messed with a PS3. Also look for anything in your " Speaker Setup " menu that allows you to assign the amp sections to specific binding posts if the speakers are wired properly.

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