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Hi ,

I am new in the forum,planning to buy the LS 50. I don't have the opportunity to hear them,just to know if someone had try them with a Yamaha A-S1000 . I tried a Paradigm Studio 20 and was very impressed with them,especially the bass,just found them a bit  bright for my taste. Have anyone compared the Studio with LS50? 


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Hi, welcome.  That Yam Integr Amp seems very good quality and assuming it's designed to be neutral, it should be great with the LS50s. 

 

Can't say from personal experience on the Yam or those Paras but the question is, did you listen to those 20s at home? 

 

Though well-reviewed, some others have found them bright (google "Paradigm Studio 20's bright").  Of course  your preamplification will matter as well. 


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I also tried Sonus Faber Venere with a Marantz amp,but i found it too warm and laid back,for me the perfect spot would be a middle point beteewn the Studio 20 and the Sonus Faber, you think the LS 50 will fit in that category?

 

 

Thanks


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I also tried Sonus Faber Venere with a Marantz amp,but i found it too warm and laid back,for me the perfect spot would be a middle point beteewn the Studio 20 and the Sonus Faber, you think the LS 50 will fit in that category? Thanks

Go listen only your ears can tell you, as they say "listen and you will see" biggrin.gif

I set up a 9.1 with five KEF LS50 oh my eek.gif
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Is the concensus here that "normal" AV receivers just won't do with these speakers? I have a Denon X1000 and I'm thinking about getting a pair of LS50's.

If you set dynamic volume to high, then it will sound fine. I have the predecessor 1713, and it is definitely not enough.
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Hello to All.
I going to buy a Peachtree iNova with Audio D5 speakers. I am very impressed by the reviews about  kef ls50 and I do not even know what kind of speakers do I buy better for me.
I can't find anywhere a direct comparison of these wonderful speakers.
If suddenly someone had a opportunity of the comparison or knows of such a comparison. Please prompt reasons/arguments.
I hope you can help me with the choice of speakers. Thank you advance.
Sincerely,
Dmitry


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If you set dynamic volume to high, then it will sound fine. I have the predecessor 1713, and it is definitely not enough.

What do you mean with "dynamic volume to high"? My X1000 has the following options for DV: off/light/medium/heavy. I have always used it in light or off as DV takes all the dynamics away from music.
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^pasisti, your understanding is correct. 

Dynamic volume is a sophisticated automated compression system designed for film, to keep soft dialog audible and loud effects from being intrusive-ie, so you don't have to reach for a remote to change the vol up and down.  If you're trying to keep your music contained to a certain level it can be useful (background music for a dinner party for ex) but for full-on musical enjoyment it should be OFF.  Otherwise you're in effect reducing the dynamic range down to MP# or worse.  I use it on EVE (medium) setting for TV and for many films.  But for full-out enjoyment of an action film it should be OFF.

 

Now Dynamic EQ is another matter. It acts as a sophisticated automated "loudness" control.  As you turn your MV down from full-on listening levels, it increases the bass (and the highs a bit too) so the music doesn't lose its fidelity as it gets softer.  This works quite well for much Stereo music, but it may or may not suit your taste and varies per the quality of any particular recording.  I use it for Stereo when I have the music turned down and it is usually a wonderful effect, with RLO=10 to tame the effect.  It does not work well for MC music as it boosts the surrounds too much.   I use it for TV with RLO=10 and for film with RLO=0 or 5.


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Hello to All.
I going to buy a Peachtree iNova with Audio D5 speakers. I am very impressed by the reviews about  kef ls50 and I do not even know what kind of speakers do I buy better for me.
I can't find anywhere a direct comparison of these wonderful speakers...
Dmitry

Hi, welcome.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432153/kef-ls50-owners/330#post_23933359    ;)


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Hi, welcome.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432153/kef-ls50-owners/330#post_23933359    ;)

I have visited this forum from this page. Thanks, but this information is negligible. 

There is only the delight of a new purchase there )))


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^Right, it is what it is and is the only direct comparison I found. BTW I couldn't find any formal, published reviews of the D5s, so that would concern me as a shopper, especially if unable to demo the speakers.

 

The LS50s are highly reviewed and IMO a breakthrough audiophile value.


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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View PostThe LS50s are highly reviewed and IMO a breakthrough audiophile value.

Yes the KEF LS50 are probably the best deal around they sound absolutely fantastic, and my reference are B&W 800D2 :)


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What do you mean with "dynamic volume to high"? My X1000 has the following options for DV: off/light/medium/heavy. I have always used it in light or off as DV takes all the dynamics away from music.

Yup, heavy. It takes away the dynamics so the receiver can drive the speaker sufficiently. If you have access to easier to drive speakers or a setup with amp, you will easily notice the difference. Without dynamic volume, you are basically missing lots of peaks with the LS50 + 1713 and the music became... off balanced.
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^coli, unless the OP is hearing audible amp clipping distortion, it makes absolutely no sense to intentionally compress the dynamics to supposedly preserve the dynamics.


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These sounded so good in my home office I couldn't resist taking them down to the fam rm/HT (a 16’X22’ room w 8’ walls to vaulted 12’ceiling=3500 cu’) which is set up as a very flexible all-in-one 7.2 HT/5.2 MC Music & 2.2 Stereo with the 7 Dalis and 2 Velodyne DD10 subs, all EQ'd by MUltEQXT32 w/Pro kit calibration (pic 1) for an impromptu David vs Goliath, big Dali MS5 vs little KEFLS50s comparison in Stereo. 

 

I didn't want to bother with running Audyssey on the KEFS so I used the Bypass FR/L- that applies the EQ only to the subs so I could just disconnect the MS5s and connect the LS50s without the corrections designed for the Dalis being forced on the KEFS, yet the uneven bass in the room was tamed as the subs' Audyssey calibration was intact. I then raised the xovers in the AVP from 40 Hz that I use for the huge Dali towers to 120 for the KEFS so more of the bumpy low freqs would go to these very accurate and capable subs for double benefit- more LF EQ'd and taking a big work load off the KEFS. 

 

I used some old 24" stands I had in the basement and stuck the KEFS on them in front of the MS5s (pic 2)  so the KEFS were in a 108" equilateral triangle with MLP.  It sounded quite detailed and dynamic but there wasn't much width to the soundstage.  I moved them back and further apart so they were in a 128"  equilateral triangle with MLP.  That was nicer.  Then I toed them in about 1/2 way (instead of straight ahead/pointed 4' away from MLP they are pointed 2' away).   Wow, now that's really nice! The little buggers are really impressive.  :) 


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Go listen only your ears can tell you, as they say "listen and you will see" biggrin.gif

I set up a 9.1 with five KEF LS50 oh my eek.gif

Do you have pictures? Also, which speakers did you end up using to fill out the 9.1? Do you like them?
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^coli, unless the OP is hearing audible amp clipping distortion, it makes absolutely no sense to intentionally compress the dynamics to supposedly preserve the dynamics.

I have a very similar setup, the 1713 is definitely incapable of driving the LS50 unless dynamic volume is at high.
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...It takes away the dynamics so the receiver can drive the speaker sufficiently...

...Without dynamic volume, you are basically missing lots of peaks....

I have a very similar setup, the 1713 is definitely incapable of driving the LS50 unless dynamic volume is at high.

My head is spinning. SoundofMind's question is legit.
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Do you have pictures? Also, which speakers did you end up using to fill out the 9.1? Do you like them?

Once the room is finished I will post pictures, the other four speakers are KEF KHT6000BL Slender Profile Cast Aluminum Speaker I installed them on the wall wink.gif
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I can't stop playing Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds. All of their live albums sound absolutely incredible on these speakers. I feel like they are sitting on my desk singing to me.
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these arent bright like b&w or paradigms are they?


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^Well, that's an interesting/odd question.  I don't think B&Ws are "bright", nor do most audiophiles.  

 

As to the LS50s, I read many published reviews prior to purchase and I don't recall any even hinted at that. 

 

Having listened to them for awhile now I'd say they are very revealing speakers.  Thus they can be "unforgiving" of harsh, poor quality recordings when driven by neutral electronics as I have (Emotiva UPA2 amp fed by Emotiva XDA-2 digital pre playing wav files). 


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these arent bright like b&w or paradigms are they?

Which Paradigm line? I owned the Signature 1s and they were one of the most neutral speakers I have heard. Some people do say the lower end lines are "bright"...

As mentioned above, B&W is definitely not "bright"...

My thought is that when you have very revealing speakers like the LS50s, some care needs to be taken to assure system synergy. Source and amp gear need to be up to par.
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I listened to the cm10 and they seemed very detailed if not bright but the employee was playing them at a higher volume than i can tolerate!!:(

 

Would i need to purchase a seperate DAC for these speakers if i have a quality receiver that streams music via USB or airplay?


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drew, paradigms were SE3.


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I listened to the cm10 and they seemed very detailed if not bright but the employee was playing them at a higher volume than i can tolerate!!:(

Would i need to purchase a seperate DAC for these speakers if i have a quality receiver that streams music via USB or airplay?

DACs in quality AVRs have been quite good for several yrs now.  The far more crucial factor will be the quality of the files you're streaming.  For ex., MP3s will be at the bottom end of SQ.  If you list your gear and describe your room and listening preference we may be able to be of more assist. 

 

As for speaker demos,  they can be quite tricky.  I really can't take it seriously unless I have control over the situation i.e, playing my disc at my volume (and I often take an SPL meter along) with the settings I specify (basically Direct Mode, no extra processing applied such as EQ, tone, etc), no bass management/sub...and of course there's really no substitute for an in-your-home trial with your gear.


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Can anyone compare these with the PM1 (which i LOVE)?


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Has anyone tried to match these LS50's with the NAD D3020 amp?  Wondering whether the amp has the grunt to drive the speakers.

 

Many thanks


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Has anyone tried to match these LS50's with the NAD D3020 amp?  Wondering whether the amp has the grunt to drive the speakers.

Many thanks

My bud didn't think much of the D3020; so I'm going to say no. I feel they need, even a little more than my Brio-R packs.

I'm trying a Hegel H70, and after that; maybe a mINT! biggrin.gif
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Hi all, sorry if this has been posted before but I've just acquired 3 Kef LS50 as part of a home theater setup.

 

I'm planning to run a subwoofer with them and a couple of in-ceiling speakers for the surround.

 

This may seem like a silly question, but I am a newbie.  I need to pick an AV receiver to match.

 

Will the Sony STRDN 1040 be powerful enough to drive my recently acquired KEF LS 50?

 

The audio shop just sneered when I suggested the Sony receiver (they didn't sell them anyway!)

 

If inadequate, can someone suggest an alternative receiver?

 

Best bang for my buck?  So far alternatives have included the Pioneer LX 57 or a Marantz 6007.

 

Will any of these work for the LS50s?

 

Thanks in advance


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