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Yes those R50 are very pricey, they look like they could fit on top of the LS50?

I tried installing them on the top, and was not happy with the result! I think on or in ceiling is a better solution Oh well

Did you just put them on top or did you try angling them up towards the ceiling?
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Did you just put them on top or did you try angling them up towards the ceiling?
I just put them on top, I can't really angle them too worried they would fall!
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Don't do it. The LS50 is too good for most subwoofers.

The attached picture is the only setup where the subwoofer managed to integrate perfectly into the LS50.
Is that a parasound amp in the background? A21?
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Yes those R50 are very pricey, they look like they could fit on top of the LS50?

I tried installing them on the top, and was not happy with the result! I think on or in ceiling is a better solution Oh well

So can I use the Kef E301(still in the box) and place on top of my LS50 for more Atmos speakers?

I already have 2 ceiling speakers.
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Don't do it. The LS50 is too good for most subwoofers.

The attached picture is the only setup where the subwoofer managed to integrate perfectly into the LS50.
That's awesome. lmao
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So can I use the Kef E301(still in the box) and place on top of my LS50 for more Atmos speakers?

I already have 2 ceiling speakers.
Hi tractng,

Which Atmos configuration are you going for?
  • 5.1.2
  • 5.1.4
  • 7.1.2
  • 7.1.4
  • 9.1.2

If you haven't done so already, download the Dolby Atmos Home Theater installation guide here: http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dol...tup/index.html

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Hi tractng,

Which Atmos configuration are you going for?
  • 5.1.2
  • 5.1.4
  • 7.1.2
  • 7.1.4
  • 9.1.2

If you haven't done so already, download the Dolby Atmos Home Theater installation guide here: http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dol...tup/index.html

5.1.2 (2 on ceiling)
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Guys can you please tell me if the LS50's can be driven by a Burson Conductor LS S9018 ?

I'm from Headfi and new to speakers I have the Burson Conductor driving my Sennhiser HD 650 Headphones, and don't want to spend more on a receiver unless absolutely required.

I will be using the LS50's with my computer to listen to my FLAC music collection, mostly vocal.

Thank you very much.

I can't post a link to the Burson Audio Conductor LS S9018 because I'm new here.
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Guys can you please tell me if the LS50's can be driven by a Burson Conductor LS S9018 ?

I'm from Headfi and new to speakers I have the Burson Conductor driving my Sennhiser HD 650 Headphones, and don't want to spend more on a receiver unless absolutely required.

I will be using the LS50's with my computer to listen to my FLAC music collection, mostly vocal.

Thank you very much.

I can't post a link to the Burson Audio Conductor LS S9018 because I'm new here.
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Welcome to AVS!

The Burson Audio Conductor LS S9018 is a DAC for driving headphones. I can't see any analogue outputs that would allow it to drive a separate amp and the LS50 speakers.

There is also no bass management function that would allow integration with a sub. The LS50 design in the white paper has the frequency roll off starting from 100Hz and the -3dB rating is around 80Hz. The driver will start to distort below this.

Afraid you'll need at least a receiver to drive the LS50 as the low cost option.

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Hi slair76116,

Welcome to AVS!

The Burson Audio Conductor LS S9018 is a DAC for driving headphones. I can't see any analogue outputs that would allow it to drive a separate amp and the LS50 speakers.

There is also no bass management function that would allow integration with a sub. The LS50 design in the white paper has the frequency roll off starting from 100Hz and the -3dB rating is around 80Hz. The driver will start to distort below this.

Afraid you'll need at least a receiver to drive the LS50 as the low cost option.
Why a receiver? Why not an integrated amp or simple, low cost amp like the Emotiva Mini-x a-100?
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Hi Guys,

The Burson Conductor SL S9018 has 4 speaker outputs at the back. 2 Preamped for normal speakers without a volume control and 2 normal RCA connectors for powered speakers.

Maybe you guys mistook my Burson Conductor to the Burson Solo ?

Sorry but I still Can't post any pick or links since I just joined AVS.
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Hi Guys,

The Burson Conductor SL S9018 has 4 speaker outputs at the back. 2 Preamped for normal speakers without a volume control and 2 normal RCA connectors for powered speakers.

Maybe you guys mistook my Burson Conductor to the Burson Solo ?

Sorry but I still Can't post any pick or links since I just joined AVS.
Please disregard above, It's my mistake

So all I would need is a good amplifier ?

If so what would be a good amplifier to match with the LS50 to listen to my FLAC Audio tracks on the PC. No budget constraints. Something that will not hold the LS50's back and would allow it's full potential ?

Thanks
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Parasound Halo. KEF themselves demo'd the LS50s with Parasound A21. I use the A23 due to nearfield setup.
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Why a receiver? Why not an integrated amp or simple, low cost amp like the Emotiva Mini-x a-100?
The LS50 is a mini-monitor that cannot re-produce the full range frequencies from 20Hz to 20kHz. Independent tests show distortion levels increasing below 100Hz. Thus a sub which can take over from the LS50 below the crossover level is a reasonable way to reproduce the full signals.

To enable a crossover at a certain frequency, there must be bass management. All modern receivers have bass management, but not all integrated amps do.

Generally there are more features available on a receiver than an integrated amp - at a lower cost. One can always switch the receiver to DIRECT/PURE DIRECT mode to compare without bass management.

If the source is a PC, there are a number of ways of sending the digital signals to the receiver for decoding - choose one that's the most convenient.

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Another inexpensive option that may work for you is a Crown DriveCore 1500 class d amp, has a built in (but defeatable) high pass filter. I'm trying one out on my LS50s right now.
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Can this head phone amp which also has a DAC out put and also pre amp out put drive the LS 50 well ?

http://www.bursonaudio.com/creations/conductor/

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Can this head phone amp which also has a DAC out put and also pre amp out put drive the LS 50 well ?

http://www.bursonaudio.com/creations/conductor/
That by itself? No, it's a headphone amp that probably delivers milliwatts of power as it's designed to drive headphones. It could work as a preamp it seems, but you'd need an separate amplifier connected to it to drive the speakers.
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Has anyone tried these with the NAD 7050? I'm thinking of that combo for TV as well as music. Also considering the Warfedale Jade 3 for the same price. Any opinions?
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Has anyone tried these with the NAD 7050? I'm thinking of that combo for TV as well as music. Also considering the Warfedale Jade 3 for the same price. Any opinions?
I'm driving mine with the D 3020 and I'm very happy with it; the 7050 should sound at least as good.
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Can this head phone amp which also has a DAC out put and also pre amp out put drive the LS 50 well ?

http://www.bursonaudio.com/creations/conductor/
The Burson Audio Conductor has pre-outs for the left + right stereo signals and a really good DAC (ESS Sabre32 9018). So it will output the full range signals which will need an external amp to drive the LS50 speakers.

There have been reports by LS50 owners that the Parasound amp is a good match. There are others of course, but provided the THD is very low and the amp is not driven hard to clipping stage, most solid state amps would be fine.

Since your listening position is going to be near field, I would expect the power requirements to be low - in the order of about 1W or less. A 20dB headroom for transient peaks means that an amp rated at 100W output will do. A 3dB increase in Sound Pressure Level (SPL) is doubling the power requirement.

If you use Foobar2000 on the PC, there is a handy plugin called dynamic range meter which will tell you the the difference between the avg rms to the loudest part of a tune in dB.

Again note that the LS50 will have difficulty in reproducing the lower 2.5 octaves in the frequency range. Essentially bass notes. When playing back tunes and the bass is lacking/muddy/distorted the reason being is the LS50 is not designed to reproduce them cleanly.

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Hi everyone, new to this forum here.

I'm still going through the whole thread (up to page 25!), but here's some news that isn't available yet in the english media it seems...white version of the LS50 with blue drivers coming in mid nov!! Itching to go to the KEF store in Hong Kong to see them in person...they're launching pre-orders starting now.

(tried to post a link but forums won't let me yet. just google "kef ls50 白色" and the first link is the one)

Anyway my real question:
Looking to build my first real HT with a 5.1 setup. I've auditioned the LS50s and love them for music. The KEF salesman suggested adding the T301 as center and T101 surrounds, plus the T-2 subwoofer. Basically I'm taking the T205 5.1 set and "upgrading" the FL/R with 2 LS50s. He won't sell me 1 LS50 individually, so I can't do the 3 LS50 as so many have mentioned here. Not sure if I want to go through the hassle of selling the 1 LS50 online to others either.

As for the AVR, looking to get either Marantz 5008 or 7008, any suggestions? Is XT32 really so much better? 7008 is 3x the price of the 5008 (close out inventory sale right now with the new launch of the 5009). And FWIW, the KEF store in HK almost exclusively uses Marantz amps for all their "entry level" KEF speakers (I haven't been into the Blade room yet), so I guess they think it's a good fit.

This will be for my living room, about 13-14' wall to wall with my sofa right up against the back wall. Space is a premium in HK, so the flat T series speakers are very attractive in that sense...even if quality isn't so great. But I guess for movies it's slightly less important than for music, and with apartments I won't be listening at loud volumes anyway.

Appreciate your advice!
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Those look so cool.



Though I suppose they don't fit my decor as well, so I don't feel bad.
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Ooh. White/blue is nice combo. Color matching issues with a lot of home theaters and music spaces though.
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Hi everyone, new to this forum here.

I'm still going through the whole thread (up to page 25!), but here's some news that isn't available yet in the english media it seems...white version of the LS50 with blue drivers coming in mid nov!! Itching to go to the KEF store in Hong Kong to see them in person...they're launching pre-orders starting now.

(tried to post a link but forums won't let me yet. just google "kef ls50 白色" and the first link is the one)

Anyway my real question:
Looking to build my first real HT with a 5.1 setup. I've auditioned the LS50s and love them for music. The KEF salesman suggested adding the T301 as center and T101 surrounds, plus the T-2 subwoofer. Basically I'm taking the T205 5.1 set and "upgrading" the FL/R with 2 LS50s. He won't sell me 1 LS50 individually, so I can't do the 3 LS50 as so many have mentioned here. Not sure if I want to go through the hassle of selling the 1 LS50 online to others either.

As for the AVR, looking to get either Marantz 5008 or 7008, any suggestions? Is XT32 really so much better? 7008 is 3x the price of the 5008 (close out inventory sale right now with the new launch of the 5009). And FWIW, the KEF store in HK almost exclusively uses Marantz amps for all their "entry level" KEF speakers (I haven't been into the Blade room yet), so I guess they think it's a good fit.

This will be for my living room, about 13-14' wall to wall with my sofa right up against the back wall. Space is a premium in HK, so the flat T series speakers are very attractive in that sense...even if quality isn't so great. But I guess for movies it's slightly less important than for music, and with apartments I won't be listening at loud volumes anyway.

Appreciate your advice!
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From one Hong Konger to another, welcome to AVS!

Thank you for the update to the LS50 as the optional white color with blue driver looks very appealing and goes well with most apartment decors / will have good WAF. I assume the costs for these are the same as the black units. I'm surprised you cannot get them in single units for the 3x front sound stage. This is available for the UK/US markets. I'd check around with the HiFi stores in Mong Kok to see if they can do a better than the Hong Kong KEF store. Having the front left, center and front right as LS50 would be important to me and hope you would not settle of less than this.

For your information, I've got the E301 speaker package and went with a Rythmik F12G sub - didn't take delivery of the E2 sub. In the following thread, the audio journey of discovery (and woes) are discussed here: KEF E305/E301 satellite + sub speaker package thread I would suggest you to investigate different sub manufacturers as I find there are better options available from the Internet Direct (ID) companies.

The E301+F12G combination produces satisfying soundstage for music and surround bubble for movies. I'm seriously thinking of up-grading the front soundstage to all LS50 units.

To this day, I've got some regret in not getting a recevier with Audyssey XT32 with sub EQ HT. My next receiver update is going to one that has XT32 + Atmos. I personnally would not settle for anything less than this.

For surrounds, the T101 should be okay - I haven't had the pleasure to listen to them, but will do one day. You might want to consider the E301 satellites as another option as these are a bit more compact and wall mountable too. One of these days, going to have to book a session in the KEF listening room.

Your room listening will determine a number things in terms of sound quality, so start on that first. What are the front to back, side to side and floor to ceiling distances? Do you intend to sit 13' to 14' away from the front sound stage of the LS50 and up against the back wall? Note that the LS50 are not very sensitive of just 85dB/W/m and they have a limitation on maximum continous power. There is also an issue of 1st reflections and might want to look at mid to high frequency absorbers behind and above you. Not sure if you're renting or the apartment is owned as it makes a difference in what can/cannot be done.

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Hi ricemanhk,

From one Hong Konger to another, welcome to AVS!

Thank you for the update to the LS50 as the optional white color with blue driver looks very appealing and goes well with most apartment decors / will have good WAF. I assume the costs for these are the same as the black units. I'm surprised you cannot get them in single units for the 3x front sound stage. This is available for the UK/US markets. I'd check around with the HiFi stores in Mong Kok to see if they can do a better than the Hong Kong KEF store. Having the front left, center and front right as LS50 would be important to me and hope you would not settle of less than this.

For your information, I've got the E301 speaker package and went with a Rythmik F12G sub - didn't take delivery of the E2 sub. In the following thread, the audio journey of discovery (and woes) are discussed here: I would suggest you to investigate different sub manufacturers as I find there are better options available from the Internet Direct (ID) companies.

The E301+F12G combination produces satisfying soundstage for music and surround bubble for movies. I'm seriously thinking of up-grading the front soundstage to all LS50 units.

To this day, I've got some regret in not getting a recevier with Audyssey XT32 with sub EQ HT. My next receiver update is going to one that has XT32 + Atmos. I personnally would not settle for anything less than this.

For surrounds, the T101 should be okay - I haven't had the pleasure to listen to them, but will do one day. You might want to consider the E301 satellites as another option as these are a bit more compact and wall mountable too. One of these days, going to have to book a session in the KEF listening room.

Your room listening will determine a number things in terms of sound quality, so start on that first. What are the front to back, side to side and floor to ceiling distances? Do you intend to sit 13' to 14' away from the front sound stage of the LS50 and up against the back wall? Note that the LS50 are not very sensitive of just 85dB/W/m and they have a limitation on maximum continous power. There is also an issue of 1st reflections and might want to look at mid to high frequency absorbers behind and above you. Not sure if you're renting or the apartment is owned as it makes a difference in what can/cannot be done.
Thanks steveting99!

WAF - My wife came to audition the LS50s with me at the KEF store, she loves the sound as well. As for the color, she actually prefers the black version haha! I guess since the TV and amp will all be black, it goes with the decor a bit more...

MK hifi stores - any suggestions on good ones to check out? There are so many...

Yes my living+dining room is a horizontal rectangle shape, the living room side is 13-14' wall to wall, so it'll be around 11-12' from speaker to listening position. Right side are windows/balcony and left side opens up to the dining room. I guess XT32 will be even more useful in the small apartments in HK...

This is a new flat I've bought (still need to go take measurements later), so will definitely check with the interior designer on absorbers behind the sofa at least (ceiling may be more difficult with the WAF). Any suggestions on the type of material for back wall that also has high WAF?
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