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Hi everyone,

I recently bought a LED TV nd Blu-ray player and wanted to start setting up a home theater system. I'll most likely be going with denon (either 1713 or 2113ci) and can only start with up to 3.0 or 3.1 speakers because of space constraints. The speakers will be used 60-70% for movies and video games and 30-40% for music.

The room to cover is quite large though (30x15x7)feet and the actual space of the living room is (15x15x7)feet. I would like not to spend more than 600$-700$ on the speakers but can go up if needed..

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Hi everyone,
I recently bought a LED TV nd Blu-ray player and wanted to start setting up a home theater system. I'll most likely be going with denon (either 1713 or 2113ci) and can only start with up to 3.0 or 3.1 speakers because of space constraints. The speakers will be used 60-70% for movies and video games and 30-40% for music.
The room to cover is quite large though (30x15x7)feet and the actual space of the living room is (15x15x7)feet. I would like not to spend more than 600$-700$ on the speakers but can go up if needed..
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance!

I would try and save some money on the receiver and look at something like this:
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1712/DENON-AVR-1712-7.1-A/V-Surround-Receiver/1.html

Refurb, but an authorized reseller and you get a full warranty from Denon.

As for speakers, you have a big room so you want something efficient. Can you possibly provide more details on the area the speakers will go? You have a constrained space, how so? Are you talking about cramming speakers close to corners or side and back walls? Keep in mind that most speakers need a good 12-24" to sound their best, but some of this can be mitigated by the speaker design (sealed or front ported vs rear ported).

Would a smaller bookshelf be something that interests you, or a tower speaker? If you save some money on the receiver can you push your speaker budget a little higher?
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Oh, and how important is the look of the speaker? Here at AVS we call it "Wife Acceptance Factor" or WAF smile.gif
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See if you might be able to increase the budget a little >
look at the Focal 814V - and it is new from AC4L
http://www.accessories4less.com/index.php?page=brand&id=FOCAL

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I would try and save some money on the receiver and look at something like this:
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1712/DENON-AVR-1712-7.1-A/V-Surround-Receiver/1.html
Refurb, but an authorized reseller and you get a full warranty from Denon.
As for speakers, you have a big room so you want something efficient. Can you possibly provide more details on the area the speakers will go? You have a constrained space, how so? Are you talking about cramming speakers close to corners or side and back walls? Keep in mind that most speakers need a good 12-24" to sound their best, but some of this can be mitigated by the speaker design (sealed or front ported vs rear ported).
Would a smaller bookshelf be something that interests you, or a tower speaker? If you save some money on the receiver can you push your speaker budget a little higher?

Thank you for such an elaborate reply. I was thinking the speakers would go on either side and possibly one above the TV set. They would be set right in the middle of the (30x15)feet area, near the wall of the 30 feet section - a least this is how I thought it would be best. So there would be about 11 feet to the sofa.

Tower speakers would be more interested than a smaller bookshelf model. To be quite honest, the WAF is pretty important.

The budget part also goes in that way as we could afford something much more expensive, but she usually doesn't like huge spending on electronics. However, she's a musician ( we have a piano in the living room, which accounts for the room constraint as there aren't many ways to change the furniture around to get more open space) so if I can make a strong argument for sound quality at a reasonable price...whatever you can think of below 1100 would probably pass, if that is any improvement..

If anything else helps for suggestions or if I wasn't clear enough, don't hesitate to write!
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The Focal speakers posted above sound like an excellent fit if you can up the budget.

Some other options:
These are on a great sale at $199 each:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882156011

The matching center is hard to find a deal on:
http://www.kefdirect.com/q200c-centre-channel.html

This still puts you under $900 shipped and you will want to consider a subwoofer down the road no matter what for home theater. With your size room there are a few in the $350 range that might work, but I would try to budget more and get something closer to the $600-700 range. I have a pretty large space as well and started cheaper and smaller and was not really happy until I upped the budget to $1K for the sub. But that is just me smile.gif
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These are on a great sale at $199 each:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882156011
The matching center is hard to find a deal on:
http://www.kefdirect.com/q200c-centre-channel.html
This still puts you under $900 shipped and you will want to consider a subwoofer down the road no matter what for home theater. With your size room there are a few in the $350 range that might work, but I would try to budget more and get something closer to the $600-700 range. I have a pretty large space as well and started cheaper and smaller and was not really happy until I upped the budget to $1K for the sub. But that is just me smile.gif

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Those Kefs are one of the better bargains in your budget range right now.

And I agree. Wait on the sub. For a room your size, a sub of comparable quality is not cheap.

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See if you might be able to increase the budget a little >
look at the Focal 814V - and it is new from AC4L
http://www.accessories4less.com/index.php?page=brand&id=FOCAL

So, if I go for the Focal towers, what kind of center should I get? How do the Kefs compare to the Focals?
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Sorry about my last post. Didn't realize that the centers were in the same link...I'm was a bit distracted...I guess the question regarding the difference in sound qulaity remains. If you had the money to buy either, which one is the better value?
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So, if I go for the Focal towers, what kind of center should I get? How do the Kefs compare to the Focals?

Sorry about my last post. Didn't realize that the centers were in the same link...I'm was a bit distracted...I guess the question regarding the difference in sound qulaity remains. If you had the money to buy either, which one is the better value?

That comes down to you > however for the price, it is hard to over-look the Focal.
Focal is good for both music and movies.

Focal would be my preference over KEF iQ series. I would save for a subwoofer.

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Certainly no expert, but the Polk TSi400 towers sound pretty good for $500 a pair
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I'd go with the KEFs and get an HSU VTF-3 MK4, Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX, or SVS PB12-NSD subwoofer. One of those will really fill out the sound with good bass for watching bluray movies and playing video games. Since WAF is a concern, let her pick the one she likes best and the finish. I have an EX, but would be just as happy with any of the three.

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fwiw, the focals are a great bargin and would fit nicely in your size room and they do have the waf.

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I was shopping online to find a deal fo some sort and I found a denon 1713 for 350...not the greatest sale ever, but I thought it would fit nicely with either systems if I plan to stay in 5.1. What do you guys think?
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fwiw, i would buy the denon avr1712 that ack_bk suggested and put the rest of the money into the speakers this is where the true sound comes from, not the reciever.it does not make the speakers sound any better than they are.it will make them louder (also a 150 watts per channel is not going to sound that much louder than a 100 watt per channel) and some have more bells and whistles for your individual needs like hdmi ports,network , airplay and audyssy for best placement for your speakers and etc. all the reciever is doing is powering the speakers and with your size room the speakers should be the most important finance, then a good sub

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Seem like I'll have to go with the Focals then. Considering French is my first language, I don't really have much of a choice, do I?wink.gif. Since we've upped the budget I think I'd rather go with the new avr-1713 than get the refurbished on sale. Somehow, i've always been wary of buying something that was broken + taking the unit out of the country means that honoring the warranty would be a real hassle for me, unless you guys actually think the avr-1712 is a superior model.

I read somewhere (cannot remember) that is was actually best to have the centre speaker up rather than on the side is that true?I'll also have to figure out a placement for the central speaker, but that is a different story. Thank you all for your help!!smile.gif
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Seem like I'll have to go with the Focals then. Considering French is my first language, I don't really have much of a choice, do I?wink.gif. .
I read somewhere (cannot remember) that is was actually best to have the centre speaker up rather than on the side is that true?I'll also have to figure out a placement for the central speaker, but that is a different story. Thank you all for your help!!smile.gif

The regular Focal center speaker, you will place normal as designed. If you buy something like
a Focal bookshelf speaker for center use, then mount it standing up and not on its side.

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