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Currently on a HK AVR1600 with JBL speakers/sub and need to upgrade. My budget is $3,000 maybe up to $3500 if there is something worth the extra. I am looking for great sound for mostly movie/tv/gaming. Room size is approximately 22'x22' with 25" cealing. I am looking for recommendations for a 5.1 speaker system and receiver. I have been recommened to go with a Pioneer Receive and some B&W 685's but wanted to get some input from all of you. What would be the best for my budget? Thank you in advance!
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The B&W 685s are decent speakers but I would recommend going out and listening to speakers to get a feel for what you like. Your listening space is on the larger side so it might make more sense to go with towers up front. Also, keep in mind you will need a decent subwoofer or maybe two depending on the room. There are some decent internet direct retailers out there worth looking at as well such as Ascend Acoustics and HSU research. Many of these online retailers offer a 30-day trial period but you would need to pay return shipping if not satisfied.

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What do you recommend looking at, dont know where to start:eek:

Plus dont have alllot of places localy to check either
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A few options come to mind.

KEF- KEF Q900s up front, Q600c or Q200c Center, Q100s or Q300s for surrounds.
Subwoofer-something from HSU Research (VTF3 MK4 for example), SVS (SVS-12 or SVS-15), or Rhythmik (F12)
Pick up one of last year's models for the AVR such as the Denon 2112, 1712 to name a few.

Keep in mind you can score some deal on the KEF speakers from accessories4less.com

Another option,

www.ascendacoustics.com

CMT-340SEs up front or the Sierra Towers
CMT-340SE center or Horizon to go with the Sierra towers
HTM-200SEs for surrounds
Rhythmik F12 or one of the other options previously mentioned
AVR, options mentioned above

If you check on prices you will notice that I've used most of your budget on speakers. If you went the Sierra towers route it's $2800 alone just for the front speakers and center channel. The CMT-340SEs are only $868 for the three front speakers and $300 for the rear channels. That would leave enough to get a nice subwoofer and AVR. You might be able to get the whole KEF package within your budget depending on current pricing. Another idea would be to start with the best 2.1 you can afford and upgrade as finances allow.

These are just two of many possible options. I'm sure others will chime in with good suggestions.

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Foe $1400, you can get some Focal towers and center > from AC4L
to start with, new in the box.
http://www.accessories4less.com/index.php?page=brand&id=FOCAL

Also for $100 off - Focal 705V for surrounds here
http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/34398

HSU subwoofer
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html

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Focal or KEF? Which is better or are they neck and neck?
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Focal or KEF? Which is better or are they neck and neck?

You should really try and find some local dealers and listen for yourself if you can. Both brands are solid, but when it comes to speakers you could ask 10 people which speaker is better and get 10 different answers.

If you have no way of listening in person, then buy from a company that has a liberal return policy...
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Ok, what kind of AV Receiver do you recommend that would power the Focal or KEF and could expand on?
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Regarding the AVR what features do you absolutely have to have? A mid-range receiver should drive any of these setups just fine. I would pick one with Audyssey MultEQ XT calibration software and networking if you are interested in streaming audio. There are some great deals on last year's models from Denon like the 2112. The 1712 is another option but doesn't feature networking or USB port for an Ipod or thumb drive.

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Ok, what kind of AV Receiver do you recommend that would power the Focal or KEF and could expand on?

Look at the Denon 3312 here
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR3312CI/DENON-AVR-3312CI-7.2-Integrated-Network-A/V-Surround-Receiver-w/AirPlay/1.html

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Rhythmik F12 or one of the other options previously mentioned.

The Rythmik F12 won't have nearly enough output for that size room. It's gigantic. Really need a good 15" ported sub here (or equivalent). The HSU VTF-15H that zieglj01 recommended would work much better.

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Both the Focal speakers and the KEF are solid. The KEF speakers are rated as 8ohm speakers per the manufacturer but Stereophile measured them and their findings indicate that they should have been rated 4ohm. So keep that in mind if you buy these speakers as you want a good 4ohm capable receiver (the Denon recommended above should suffice I believe). Onkyo has some affordable 4ohm THX Select 2 rated receivers as well from acessories4less.

I agree on the sub. You have a huge room.

How important are looks here? For almost all gaming and movies I am going to recommend you look at speakers and subwoofer options from Chase Home Theater. Their speakers are rated for high sensitivity and are ideal for your situation (large room, mostly movies and gaming). They also make some beefy subs that would give you what you need for your room. I would give them a call and discuss options:

Speakers:
https://www.chasehometheater.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=28&Itemid=53&TreeId=1&redirected=1&Itemid=102

Subs:
https://www.chasehometheater.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=29&Itemid=53&TreeId=2&redirected=1&Itemid=103
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Thanks for the info guys! Is the chase items recommended over the KEF?
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The Chase speakers are a great choice for movies and gaming. They are very popular among people setting up dedicated HT rooms.

The Chase sealed subs would probably not be a good choice for you. They have a high tuning point that makes them difficult to configure in a large space; you need enough sub to start pressuring the room very well to make them work effectively. The VS-18.1 ported sub could work very well. It has a lot of output.

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Thanks for the info guys! Is the chase items recommended over the KEF?

It might be hard to find people who have directly compared, but the Chase speakers seem to do really well with head-to-head comparisons with other brands that cost more money. I have heard both Chase and Kef, but not head to head, or double blind tested, so my opinion has less weight, but for home theater I would probably go with Chase. Why? They are great for home theater and this would allow you to accocate more of your budget for subwoofers, which in your space, could eat up a lot of your budget.

That said, they are not going to look as nice (not that they look bad either) as the Kef or Focal speakers, so I am not sure how important wife acceptance factor is here. For the price, IMHO, they are a steal for home theater speakers.
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I have been looking at the Onkyo TX-NR809 THX Certified receiver, would this be a good fit with the KEF speakers?
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I have been looking at the Onkyo TX-NR809 THX Certified receiver, would this be a good fit with the KEF speakers?

At 40 pounds, the 809 is a pretty stout receiver, and it is rated for 4 ohm speakers, so I would guess it should be fine for the KEFs. I think it is rated at about 130 watts/channel.

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Been bouncing around a few of them, the Marantz caught my eye SR7005 or sr6007 what do you all feel about Marantz/Onkyo or Denon?
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Marantz and Denon are essentially the same company (D&M Holdings). The Marantz SR7005 is a great higher-end AVR. I know that Onkyos have had problems with overheating in the past but I"m not sure about the TX-NR809. Onkyo owners should be able to provide information on that. The Onkyo AVR amp sections are solid compared to other brands.

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