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post #1 of 11 Old 10-15-2012, 10:56 PM - Thread Starter
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I posted this in the Paradigm Owners Thread but there are over 800 pages of comments and things get easily lost or overlooked there.

I'm looking to upgrade my home theater system... I'm looking at Studio 20's and Studio 60's. I have an SVS PC-12-NSD subwoofer.
I'm wanting to know which would sound better between the 20's and 60's? Someone mentioned that they read a review that said the 20's sounded better than the 100's.

Do I really need the woofers that the 60's provide given that I already have a sub? Also, I noticed the difference in size of the midrange on the 20's (7 in) and 60's (5-1/2 in), how much of adifference does the size make. I want to get a full range of sound out of my system.

I was able to listen to the 20's and they sounded great. I was not able to listen to the 60's.... the dealer told me that only people with small rooms (those who don't have the room for towers) buy the 20's. I have the room for either. Given the total change in direction as to what speakers I should get, I actually forgot to listen to the 60's, they were in a different room.

Question is, what would be the best (20's or 60's) for a home theater system... I will also be listening to music, but not as much as HT.

Also, what center channel would work best for my setup? The Studio CC-490 or Studio CC-590 ... I'm sure the 590 would be the best, but do I need it?

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IMHO, the 60 not only sounds better but will handle much higher levels, even with a subwoofer.  I use 3 60s up front and a pair of 20s for the surround.


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The 60's would have more raw power. I have the studio 10v5's in my bedroom along with a SVS PB12 NSD Sub.

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For HT, I tend to prefer towers up front. To me, it sounds bigger/more realistic for movies.


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Thank you all for your suggestions. I was also thinking the 60's but wanted to make sure. I didn't know if I needed the woofers on the 60's since I have a sub. I was also wondering if the sound quality would go down when you consider the size of the bass/midrange drivers. I also agree that towers do add more punch and power.

60's it is then. I also think they are better looking than the Studio 20's smile.gif

Thanks again.... I'm going to the dealer tomorrow to listen to the 60's since I forgot to when I was there... lol.

About the center channels.... The Studio CC-490 or Studio CC-590? They have one at the dealer and it was around $1400 and HUGE, not sure what model it was but it was too big for the shelf I have below my Plasma TV, so I'm going to have to go with the smaller $700 center. Though I'm not sure what the model number is, I know there are 3 different sizes though. I'll have to measure my shelf to see which will fit.

Just did some measurements and the Studio CC-490 is just under 12 inches deep, my shelf is only 10 inches... doesn't that suck!!! Oh well, looks like I'll be upgrading my shelf too. If I get a bigger shelf I have enough clearance for either the 490 or 590.

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I auditioned both....side by side....A LOT. I SO BADLY wanted to like the 20's better as they were more inexpensive.....but the 60's just plain old kicked their @$$. I auditioned with music....all acoustic and jazz and I heard things with the 60's that just got lost with the 20's. I compared them with HT too and the 60's still won...not by as much....but again, they were just fuller and more detailed in the mid range with more punch. In all honestly though..even if it's mostly for HT, really listen to them with music. If you like them better with music...you will like them better with HT. Always audition with music....you hear nuances that you just do not hear with movies.

As for the center.......the 590 is just a crazy nice center. If you have the funds...jump on it and don't look back.

A very important factor though that has not been mentioned...What are you driving the speakers with? If you go 60's and a 590 I would make sure you have some serious amplification driving them. Even though they are relatively sensitive....they REALLY shine with a good robust amp section.
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I have an Onkyo TX-SR805 ... think this will be enough power? If not what would you suggest, how much additional power would be ideal?

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Use this calculator to figure out your particular situation: http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

You want 105db peaks out of your main channels to be at "reference". However, you want to hit those peaks without distortion.

This may be difficult for just an AVR to accomplish depending on the size of your room and speaker placement.


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I ran the calc and these are the results. I used 130 watts for the amplifier power since the specs of my AVR are 130 @ 8ohm

Just the 2 tower speakers in my room = 109.5 dB SPL at listening postion
The 2 towers and the CC-490= 110.2 dB SPL at listening postion
The 2 towers and the CC-590= 111.2 dB SPL at listening postion

Not sure what to make of those readings.

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Yeah......I have zero clue what all of those measurements mean. All I know is what my ears tell me. When the 60's were driven by the 200w Anthem amp.....they sounded crazy nice. With the Integra receiver...still great but there was a noticeable difference in the bass and mids. I will say though....that 805 does have a beefy powerplant...similar to the Inegra (top of the line Onkyo reveivers). I have the Onkyo 809 and it has a really nice amp section as well. I think you will be ok with the 805....plus it has pre-outs should you want to add a 3 channel amp down the road (Emotiva?)
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I went to the dealer today and gave them a down payment on 2 Studio 60's and the CC-490. They suggested the CC-490 because the mids and woofers are the same size as those on the Studio 60's... the 590 has bigger mids and woofers then the 60's have.

I'll be able to pay them off in about a week or so... Also, I went for the Rosewood finish.
Studio 60 = $960 each ($1,199 each retail)
CC-490 = $680 ($799 retail)
and of course = TAX = $189.80

Drew, could you look over the numbers I posted above and tell me what they mean? lol

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