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I'm trying to build a decent low cost system (I have a high end headphone setup for my music..so it's almost all going to be used for tv and movies.)
Room size is 14' wide and 12' deep. It is an apartment so I cant go crazy but its not a church environment either lol

Considered a box setup but it seems like you get more buying the speakers separate.

Looking at like something like this:
Pioneer SP-BS21 $40 a pair(seems really cheap)
Pioneer SP-C21 Center Channel $50
Pioneer SW-8 100W Powered Subwoofer $70 or the Polk Audio PSW Series PSW10 $80(I have only had down firing subs in the past)

So, 40+40+50+70=$200 for what seems like a really good cheap speaker setup

Or swap in the SP-bs41's would add in $90 to the cost instead of the 21's


Then if I could use my old sub I have in storage(with plans to upgrade later) It is an old bose 2.1 sub and speakers from like 1992-93Just been in storage for 8+ years.(I dont think its powered thought..cant recall) prob not

Polk Audio Monitor40 Series II $100
Polk Audio CS1 Series II Center Channel $60
So, that's $260 without the sub..I could add one a lil later



I'm looking at pairing this with a used rcvr like a Denon AVR-3300 or a new one that I can find under 200...The Denon is $100 for what was a really $$ unit in its time.
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what is your total budget for avr and speakers and sub?

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what is your total budget for avr and speakers and sub?
$400 now....might be able to add a lil more later but not much.

Polk Audio Monitor40 Series II $100
Polk Audio CS1 Series II Center Channel $60 and a polk sub puts me at $360
I add the used Denon and im over by 60...I dunno
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I suggest that you get the Martin-Logan MLT--2 system, which I have seen for as low as $300 (NEWEGG right now for $279...very good; may only last a day or two though...).

That is a remarkably good 5.1 system for a very good price; it is quite a bit better than any other system I know of for under $500.

Do not get the Pioneer speakers; their low sensitivity is not going to be compatible with most inexpensive receivers, because their low sensitivity demands too much power.

The smaller Polk Subwoofers are useless crap; the PSW505 is the cheapest one that is of any use.
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fwiw, pair of pioneer sp-bs41 for fronts $84 the pioner sp-c21 center$50 and a pair of sp-bs21 $40 for surrounds $174
sherwood r-772 avr $180+free ship. at accessories4less (has alot of nice features for the price including room eq. for better sound for your speakers)
as for a sub imo neither of those polk subs are worth it. save up for a better sub. but if you really,really, really want a low budget sub i would look at the dayton sub 1200 $98 at parts express

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Do not pay serious attention to the Pioneer bashing - they are good speakers
for the price, and the B41 can take some power, and can get loud.

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$400 now....might be able to add a lil more later but not much.
Polk Audio Monitor40 Series II $100
Polk Audio CS1 Series II Center Channel $60 and a polk sub puts me at $360
I add the used Denon and im over by 60...I dunno

Sorry to say, but $400 simply isn't enough, even for an inexpensive HT setup. The AVR alone will cost you around $300 on the low end unless you go ultra-cheap, which I do not suggest with your AVR. You want your AVR to produce enough power for 5 speakers. What if in the near future, you want to upgrade to 7.1. If you buy an ultra-cheap AVR now, you'll have to upgrade if you want to add speakers, or risk being starved of power.

Also, for a halfway decent sub, you are going to have to drop $200 on just that.

So for 5 speakers you are going to need at least $300. For the sub, at least $200 and for the AVR at least $300. So I think the cheapest you can go is $800. This is ballpark and not exact. If you find some really good deals, go used or refurb etc, you might be able to drop $100 to $200 from the total, but don't hold your breath.

Thus far, I have spent $600 on my HT sound setup and I don't even have the sub yet. I plan on buying a BIC PL-200, so that's going to be another $300. And my setup is super cheap (Sony speakers) except for the AVR (Middle of the line DENON) so don't expect to be able to spend much less than I did.

I would skip the MLt-2 system. The sub included is only 10" and only goes down to 32hz (according to the specs. This will vary depending on room acoustics). Such a system will probably sound just fine for Home Theater use, but I would go for a better subwoofer. What you could do is buy the MLt-2 now, then upgrade the subwoofer later if you feel it is not sufficient. For inexpensive, stand-alone subwoofers, the BIC F-12 is probably the most popular, followed by the Polk SW505 then the Klipsch 12HG. I plan to get this one http://www.amazon.com/BIC-PL-200-Acoustech-Platinum-Subwoofer/dp/B001W3FXAQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1353607679&sr=1-1&keywords=BIC+PL-200

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I suggest that you get the Martin-Logan MLT--2 system, which I have seen for as low as $300 (NEWEGG right now for $279...very good; may only last a day or two though...).
That is a remarkably good 5.1 system for a very good price; it is quite a bit better than any other system I know of for under $500.
Do not get the Pioneer speakers; their low sensitivity is not going to be compatible with most inexpensive receivers, because their low sensitivity demands too much power.
The smaller Polk Subwoofers are useless crap; the PSW505 is the cheapest one that is of any use.

Never heard of those. I just don't see how they would sound better than the Polk Audio Monitor40 Series II ??(I will read up on them)

Tempted to get Polk Audio Monitor60 Series II as they are on a sale for $99.. but that will blow my budget in a hurry. (but no stands needed either)
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fwiw, pair of pioneer sp-bs41 for fronts $84 the pioner sp-c21 center$50 and a pair of sp-bs21 $40 for surrounds $174
sherwood r-722 avr $180+free ship. at accessories4less (has alot of nice features for the price including room eq. for better sound for your speakers)
as for a sub imo neither of those polk subs are worth it. save up for a better sub. but if you really,really, really want a low budget sub i would look at the dayton sub 1200 $98 at parts express

Dont see a sherwood r-722 See a 772?

Seems like everyone doesn't like the idea of the used Denon avr3300 for $100?

Yeah, I was just reading a review on that Dayton sub...sounds like a winner in my price range.
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Dont see a sherwood r-722 See a 772?
Seems like everyone doesn't like the idea of the used Denon avr3300 for $100?
Yeah, I was just reading a review on that Dayton sub...sounds like a winner in my price range.
sorry it is the r772 i must be getting dyslexic in my old age. the denon avr3300 was good in its day but is out dated in todays electronics. no hdmi for example.and imo for your budget the pioneer set up and the low budget sub will sound way way better than any htib out there near its price.the denon avr 1612 $189 is another good choice for avr

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sorry it is the r772 i must be getting dyslexic in my old age. the denon avr3300 was good in its day but is out dated in todays electronics. no hdmi for example.and imo for your budget the pioneer set up and the low budget sub will sound way way better than any htib out there near its price.the denon avr 1612 $189 is another good choice for avr
The denon is a refurb unless I am looking at the wrong place? dunno if it matters or not? Never bought a refurb item.
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fwiw, the denon avr1612 is a denon factory refurb. which means its pretty much new and accessories4less is a authorized dealer. with your budget i was looking for good reciever with plenty of power and with audyssey which is great for setting up best sound in your room. it does make a big difference. i own a denon avr791 refurb. from accessories4less i purchaced about 2 years ago and it still works great, i also own a harman kardon avr refurb. for 4 years and have not had any problems

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fwiw, the denon avr1612 is a denon factory refurb. which means its pretty much new and accessories4less is a authorized dealer. with your budget i was looking for good reciever with plenty of power and with audyssey which is great for setting up best sound in your room. it does make a big difference. i own a denon avr791 refurb. from accessories4less i purchaced about 2 years ago and it still works great, i also own a harman kardon avr refurb. for 4 years and have not had any problems
thanks man, I appreciate the help.. Really do.
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