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today i got my brand new Focal Electra 1038BE , need some help for the rest of the system

later i will add the Electra center and rear
sub , i don't know if to buy the electra also or something else

cables?

Multi channel amp and pre processor

until now i connect my computer with optic cable to the receiver with motherboard sound card

i'm new to the high end sound
until now i connect my computer with optic cable to the receiver with motherboard sound card
i don't even now what is DAC and how to get good sources

because i want to use the system for HT and also for stereo music
i need Multi channel amp and pre processor , right?


maybe if i could find used few month , great condition

choosing sub:
http://www.focal.com/en/home-audio-loud ... 000-be.php

or: (not sure what models from those brnads)
VELODYNE DD
JL FHANTOM

here some used i found:

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/proces ... ater-90001

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi- ... o-hills-ca

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi- ... iers-77494

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi- ... iers-50322

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/proces ... ater-90001

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/proces ... chicago-il

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cables.... not a big believer, so Anti-Cable or Blue Jeans would be about the most Id spend to get good terminations and affordable cables.

Sub..... Id go Internet Direct brands for better bang for the buck, Hsu, SVS, Rhythmik, Seaton, Funk.

i think that if youre just movies then a good pre-pro would be Marantz AV7005 or Integra 80.3(models may have been recenly updated)

I like the Parasound Classic multi-ch amps personally. Never heard an Emotiva but they get good personal reviews, Outlaw audio has good multi-ch amps also.

For 2-ch I use a Naim Nait 5i integrated amp with its HT bypass(the integrated acts as a power amp when watching movies and the processor is turned off) so that I dont run music thru the Integra I have. I find the Naim has better dynamics and is more detailed and has better sense of musicial flow then the Integra that can sound warmish, but a little lack luster for music. You can be the judge if you feel you need a dedicated 2-ch pre-amp/integrated amp for your needs musically. If youre going to include it as part of your HT system, look for units that have a HT bypass or unity gain. Focal and Naim are owned by the same company, so they should sound pretty good together. But theres lots of other choices.

If you want a DAC I use an Arcam rDAC and like it a lot, the PeachTree DAC*iT is supposedly pretty good for the price as well. There is always the Oppo 105 that looks like it can be used as an external dac now too. I have a sony blu-ray player and I output via optical my cds to the rDAC, the sonys analog section is not very good. If not for the dac then I would get an oppo and use its dac. Choices choices.

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cables.... not a big believer, so Anti-Cable or Blue Jeans would be about the most Id spend to get good terminations and affordable cables.
Sub..... Id go Internet Direct brands for better bang for the buck, Hsu, SVS, Rhythmik, Seaton, Funk.
i think that if youre just movies then a good pre-pro would be Marantz AV7005 or Integra 80.3(models may have been recenly updated)
I like the Parasound Classic multi-ch amps personally. Never heard an Emotiva but they get good personal reviews, Outlaw audio has good multi-ch amps also.
For 2-ch I use a Naim Nait 5i integrated amp with its HT bypass(the integrated acts as a power amp when watching movies and the processor is turned off) so that I dont run music thru the Integra I have. I find the Naim has better dynamics and is more detailed and has better sense of musicial flow then the Integra that can sound warmish, but a little lack luster for music. You can be the judge if you feel you need a dedicated 2-ch pre-amp/integrated amp for your needs musically. If youre going to include it as part of your HT system, look for units that have a HT bypass or unity gain. Focal and Naim are owned by the same company, so they should sound pretty good together. But theres lots of other choices.
If you want a DAC I use an Arcam rDAC and like it a lot, the PeachTree DAC*iT is supposedly pretty good for the price as well. There is always the Oppo 105 that looks like it can be used as an external dac now too. I have a sony blu-ray player and I output via optical my cds to the rDAC, the sonys analog section is not very good. If not for the dac then I would get an oppo and use its dac. Choices choices.

so for pre amp i should looking for Marantz AV7005 or Integra 80.3
or:
NAD M15 AV Processor
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/processors-nad-m15-av-processor-2012-11-28-home-theater-28092
???

now what will drive the 1038 BE II ?
and the center and rear speakers?

here is the list of pre + amp:
http://app.audiogon.com/categories/home-theater-processors

http://app.audiogon.com/categories/amplifiers-solid-state

http://app.audiogon.com/categories/amplifiers-multi-ch
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so for pre amp i should looking for Marantz AV7005 or Integra 80.3
or:
NAD M15 AV Processor
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/processors-nad-m15-av-processor-2012-11-28-home-theater-28092
???
now what will drive the 1038 BE II ?
and the center and rear speakers?
here is the list of pre + amp:
http://app.audiogon.com/categories/home-theater-processors
http://app.audiogon.com/categories/amplifiers-solid-state
http://app.audiogon.com/categories/amplifiers-multi-ch

that M15 doesnt have the DD True HD and DTS HD so if thats important to you then you would need to find the M15 HD or M15 HD2.

You can check out emotiva surround processor with a seperate power amp. see links below.
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/processors/products/umc200
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpr5

Dynaudio Focus 260s, Focus 210C, DM 2/6, Hsu VTF2 MK4, Oppo BDP-103,
Naim Nait XS-2, Jolida FX Tube DAC, Integra DTR-40.2, 55" Panasonic Plasma
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that M15 doesnt have the DD True HD and DTS HD so if thats important to you then you would need to find the M15 HD or M15 HD2.
You can check out emotiva surround processor with a seperate power amp. see links below.
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/processors/products/umc200
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpr5

1500$ amp
will do the job for $20,000 worth of speakers system ?
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1500$ amp
will do the job for $20,000 worth of speakers system ?

ATI makes amps for "MOST amp companies in North America" is what ATI will tell you.

They confirmed that they make amps for Lexicon, JBL, B&K, Theta Digital, Cary Audio, Outlaw Audio. Since Kevin Voecks recommended ATI amps for Home Theater Magazine when they were reviewing the Revel Salon2 ($22,000 speakers), and since Lexicon & JBL are sister companies of Mark Levinson & Revel, I asked ATI if they also make amps for Mark Levinson. ATI said, "We're not allowed to comment on that". biggrin.gif

The fact that ATI did NOT deny making amps for Mark Levinson tells me that they do make amps for ML. biggrin.gif

So if Lexicon and Mark Levinson and JBL amps for their $70,000 Everrest speakers are good enough, then you may look at the ATI AT3005 amps. biggrin.gif

The ATI AT3005 is $3K, the AT3007 (300wpc 8ohm/ 450wpc 4ohm x 7ch) is $3,700.

Both are fully balanced, no-fuse circuit (no fuse to worry about), 7 yr warranty, made in California USA, SNR -123dB, Crosstalk -100dB 20kHz, THD 0.03% @ rated power.
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1500$ amp
will do the job for $20,000 worth of speakers system ?

FWIW, I have a buddy that is using 3 Emotiva XPA-1s and 1 XPA-5 with his Dynaudio Contour S5.4s ($10k), Contour SCX ($3600) and Focus 110s ($1600) and I believe he is planning to get a pair of Contour SRs ($2400). Thats $18k in speakers.

Also if you look at the specs of the XPR-5 and then compare them to the Parasound A51 you would see lots of similarities. Take the 40% profit margin off of the parasound that dealers typically have, and now the A51 is now $2600, and the XPR-5 is $2000. Now they look very similar dont they?


But hey if you want to spend your money, Im all for it. Lets look at the Bryston 9B-SST. its a good price used they have transferrable warranties, so you can find out how many years are left on the warranty.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi-ch-bryston-9b-sst-5ch-amp-2012-11-28-amplifiers-07043

for a pre-amp you can look at the NAD T-187 or M15HD2, Integra DHC-80.4

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FWIW, I have a buddy that is using 3 Emotiva XPA-1s and 1 XPA-5 with his Dynaudio Contour S5.4s ($10k), Contour SCX ($3600) and Focus 110s ($1600) and I believe he is planning to get a pair of Contour SRs ($2400). Thats $18k in speakers.
Also if you look at the specs of the XPR-5 and then compare them to the Parasound A51 you would see lots of similarities. Take the 40% profit margin off of the parasound that dealers typically have, and now the A51 is now $2600, and the XPR-5 is $2000. Now they look very similar dont they?
But hey if you want to spend your money, Im all for it. Lets look at the Bryston 9B-SST. its a good price used they have transferrable warranties, so you can find out how many years are left on the warranty.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi-ch-bryston-9b-sst-5ch-amp-2012-11-28-amplifiers-07043
for a pre-amp you can look at the NAD T-187 or M15HD2, Integra DHC-80.4

i guess you are right , no need to buy very expensive amp
Emotiva or ATI ?
http://www.ati-amp.com/products.php

Integra DHC-80.4 ,it's a future product?
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Maybe it's still the dhc-80.3

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i red that the 1038 BE
are very clear and pure sound
need very good amp

can you recommend amp that match?

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-94003-simaudio-moon-w-53se-power-amp.aspx
is this model a good deal now?
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i red that the 1038 BE
are very clear and pure sound
need very good amp
can you recommend amp that match?
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-94003-simaudio-moon-w-53se-power-amp.aspx
is this model a good deal now?

Not impressed with the 100dB SNR @ full power for a "$8K" amp.

Even a $500 Crown XLS2500 that can output 1200wpc into 4 ohm RMS has a SNR of 103dB. biggrin.gif

No, stick to ATI, Parasound Halo, Bryston, Classe, Anthem, NAD, Rotel, Lexicon, Cary Audio, Theta, B&K.

Like I said, ATI makes amps for most amp companies including Mark Levinson, Lexicon, Cary Audio. Theta Digital, and B&K.
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Were all the S/N measurements done the same way?

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i have tech question:
usually i hear full detail when i listen in high volume
but i don't have dedicate isolated sound room that i can listen without interrupt to other people around.

there is a way to enjoy music without high volume?
maybe specific Amp better then other for that
or my big speakers can't do that anyway?

(hope you understand my poor english)

this model can be good enough for pre ?
http://hometheaterreview.com/outlaw-...ssor-reviewed/
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Pelo, it's not easy to tell what the problem you're experiencing is due to. A few possibilities come to mind and there may be others.

One of the things you mention is that there are other people around. If this difficulty hearing detail only occurs when that happens then either ask the people to go somewhere else, listen at times when they're not around, or perhaps consider getting a good set of headphones for when you want or need to tune out the outside world. That doesn't mean there might not be other issues that are worth addressing. Consider the following thoughts.

Maybe there's a problem with how you've got your speakers place and/or perhaps the room. If you could provide some pictures of the listening area or even a drawing, this might enable people to offer their thoughts.

Maybe you have some hearing issues and if you've got medical insurance it may allow for a relatively inexpensive way to check that out. Not saying that you're deaf or anything like that but environmental pollution, injuries, even medication you might be taking can affect your hearing.

You said that you're connecting your computer to your receiver and then it goes to your speakers. Perhaps if the music you're listening to is low bitrate mp3's that could be a problem. Try listening to lossless, use the CD as a source, or a higher bitrate compressed file. If you're taking the sound off the motherboard''s audio, try a soundcard instead. Perhaps borrow somebody's CD player and run that into the receiver to see if that makes a difference.

You could certainly consider either a receiver with room correction capabilities or a separate processor to deal with room issues. There are quite a few to choose from with additional monies spent giving you more sophistication, This might be well worth considering but not until other less expensive options are investigated first. That's not to say those type of products aren't beneficial but throwing money at problems, especially when the cause of the problems isn't well understood, generally means some sort of regret down the road.

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