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And thats what you would recommend for my room? biggrin.gif

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So this is what one of the people that help me very much on Head-Fi said about headphones and speakers, .

The sound stage alone would make you wonder how people even use headphones. Bipolar towers have a sound stage that would blow your mind. The range is beyond what a headphone can hope to do. Real bass, not just some headphone bass, but real, sub-bass. Mids that are real. Treble that is normal, not hyper extended (HD800) or dulled (LCD2). Speakers just sound natural. Headphones do not. Headphones sound like... headphones. Cramped sounds stages, pitiful bass, and hyper treble. Speakers sound like what was recorded and you're in a room of it, not just a stereo image in the center of your head. Seriously, listening to a real stereo setup compared to a headphone is night and day. And when you compare high end headphones to even entry level high-end speakers, it's a joke basically.

Would you guys tend to agree?
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The NHT tower is still a very good option as well. You really cant go wrong with either.
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So, the Sierra-1 or the Definitive SM-55.. Choices in life..
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The NHT tower is still a very good option as well. You really cant go wrong with either.
What would be the most low cost amp I could get that would work well with the NHT, I am more for a tower since I'm guessing that the drivers don't have to be cramped into a small box. And, a dedicated driver for each frequency. $1500 is like.. The tippity top of my budget, and would prefer to keep it lower cool.gif
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Would you guys tend to agree?
I do not like bi-polar speakers for music. Good monopole speakers can
throw a big wide and deep soundstage, with real good imaging.

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So this is what one of the people that help me very much on Head-Fi said about headphones and speakers, .
The sound stage alone would make you wonder how people even use headphones. Bipolar towers have a sound stage that would blow your mind. The range is beyond what a headphone can hope to do. Real bass, not just some headphone bass, but real, sub-bass. Mids that are real. Treble that is normal, not hyper extended (HD800) or dulled (LCD2). Speakers just sound natural. Headphones do not. Headphones sound like... headphones. Cramped sounds stages, pitiful bass, and hyper treble. Speakers sound like what was recorded and you're in a room of it, not just a stereo image in the center of your head. Seriously, listening to a real stereo setup compared to a headphone is night and day. And when you compare high end headphones to even entry level high-end speakers, it's a joke basically.
Would you guys tend to agree?

Unless you have a studio type of room (heavy acoustic treatments) you will never match the clarity of headphones with speakers. If you're used to that you might think speakers are unfocused and sloppy. I think those statements are a little extreme (especially the last one). The biggest thing for getting good sound with stereo speakers is proper placement (setup), and realizing you have to sit in the "sweet spot" for stereo imaging/soundstaging to work right (wont get great sound if you're just in random spots all over the room).


You can go with a cheaper receiver easily to drive the NHT's

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007JF85VU
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I do not like bi-polar speakers for music. Good monopole speakers can
throw a big wide and deep soundstage, with real good imaging.
Oh. Bi-polar good for movies?
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Unless you have a studio type of room (heavy acoustic treatments) you will never match the clarity of headphones with speakers. If you're used to that you might think speakers are unfocused and sloppy. I think those statements are a little extreme (especially the last one). The biggest thing for getting good sound with stereo speakers is proper placement (setup), and realizing you have to sit in the "sweet spot" for stereo imaging/soundstaging to work right (wont get great sound if you're just in random spots all over the room).
So, you'd suggest sticking with headphones?
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What would be the most low cost amp I could get that would work well with the NHT, I am more for a tower since I'm guessing that the drivers don't have to be cramped into a small box. And, a dedicated driver for each frequency.
Do not be fooled by appearance, it is all about design and engineering - nothing is guaranteed by looks.
The choice is up to you.

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Do not be fooled by appearance, it is all about design and engineering - nothing is guaranteed by looks.
The choice is up to you.
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So, you'd suggest sticking with headphones?

I'm a stereo lover, so personally, no. I cant really speak for you though wink.gif
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Oh. Bi-polar good for movies?

There are some bi-polar fans for movies and even music. I want to also
enjoy musical tracks and scores in movies - I prefer monopole.

The Definitive SM-55 is monopole.

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I'm a stereo lover, so personally, no. I cant really speak for you though wink.gif
My Head-Fi friend made it sound like speakers were the best thing since sliced bread! I think I may stick with headphones. Thanks for all the help guys.
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For a room like that, something like a Focal Chorus 714V would be a nice fit and leave you some money left for a low end receiver with Audyssey to help correct the room (a 50W/ch receiver is plenty for that room unless you are looking for brain melting volumes). As a bonus, music direct is also throwing in a pair of nice looking Focal headphones with those. I've not heard the headphones but, I have the bookshelf versions of the Chorus 700 line (706V and 705V) and, they are bit light on bass in a larger room but, I think the 714V would be about perfect in a small room.

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-4917-focal-chorus-714v-tower-speakers-pr.aspx
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Is this mostly for 2 channel music? Or are you talking home theater useage?
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For 1500 get 2 definitive studio monitor 65's and a decent avr and be in audio nirvana...smile.gif

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If all you want is a 2 channel system in a small room, I actually recommend going with a pair of active studio monitors. Here's a pair in your price range with built in room correction.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--JBLLSR4326P
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Based on my audition of the Focal 816v speakers, the 714 should be a great speaker. Focal is known for it's excellent tweeters and full warm bass. BUT-- careful of standing waves in your squarish room.

I agree with considering smaller speakers if this is your 2 channel room size. I would highly recommend checking out the Leema Xero mini monitors. They are astoundingly good (I realize this sounds like hyperbole, but trust me) for their size. By far the most transparent speaker I have heard. They are the type of speaker that literally "disappears" completely. Careful though, break in is 100+ hours on these guys! eek.gif

I would match the Leemas to a dedicated 2 channel integrated amplifier such as the Cambridge audio 651a or Rotel or Arcam solo etc. The Leemas like power so don't skimp. These are expesive options pushing your budget.... but used could be a good option. Generally, AVRs are not superstars for critical Stereo listening.

If you decide to go the powered Studio monitors route, with a computer as your hub, the Audioengine D1 Dac matched with Mackie MR5MK2 or MR8MK2 speakers would be an excellent combo, and a great value for the performance. The MR8MK2's are popular because of their great bass depths. No sub needed. I am helping a friend with this very setup and can say the MR5MK2 is an excellent value for the money and space saving. Lots of great choices with powered setups. Good luck!!

If cost wasn't such a factor, and it were my money, I would have the Leemas in a heartbeat. But I perfer detail and finess as opposed to brute force and punch. "British" sounding I guess.

Some of this may sound a little airy fairy audiophile I know.... But I have heard all of these options and am not exagerating. smile.gif
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