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I'm buying parts for a new home theater and I need a bit of help on pricing for a good AV reciever and speakers. (looking at Denon or Onyko) (speakers no real prefence).

My budget is about 3200 USD ish. (1000 of which is on the TV - yay holiday sells)

But I'm looking for something that can do least 5.1. Video upscale and wireless support as well as the normal bells and whistles for a current AVR. As for the speakers just normal book shelve size speakers are good wouldn't mind floorstand ones for the front audio. But I want something that'll make my blu-ray movies like AKIRA and Tron Legacy really shine in the audio department so that means a good sub too. I'm looking aroun 400 to 650 ish for the sub and the rest on the speakers. Mind you I'm looking to probly get this at best buy or worst case amazon. I kinda want to get them and have them installed and enjoy them the most time I can before having to go back off of leave and go back to my job. Thanks for the support.
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OK, $2,200ish for speakers, sub, and receiver. A hint.....about 1/3rd for receiver, 2/3rds for speakers and sub.

take a look at Hsu Research and their speaker bundles http://www.hsuresearch.com/packages.html
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Definitely make an investment in the speakers and decide on those first. If you are mainly TV/movie then bookshelves with a solid amp is likely sufficient. However, if you like the look of towers, then consider that. Keep it simple with the wiring and buy from someplace like monoprice. Seems like you are probably in the $1500 range for speakers and a solid $500 receiver should be able to drive those sufficiently.
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OK, $2,200ish for speakers, sub, and receiver. A hint.....about 1/3rd for receiver, 2/3rds for speakers and sub.

Declaration: Buy the least expensive AVR from a reliable brand that has the features you require. Spend the rest on speakers and sub.

If your budget was $200, you are gonna spend a lot on an AVR. If your budget was $60,000: then your AVR won't be a considerable percentage; even if you went out and got a $2k preamp. If possible, and if you might expand in the future: try to hunt down an AVR with pre-outs. I think you can get one from Accessories4Less starting at about $350.

Focus your money and effort on the sub and front 2-3 speakers. You can get away with less capable surrounds (unless you are doing multi-channel music).

So if you've just spent $400 on your AVR, you have $1800 left for a sub and 4-5 speakers (depending on your experience in your room; you may find a phantom center comparable or better than a real physical center: if so; more money for L/R).

At that budget: I really wouldn't be looking at spending more than $250 on the surrounds, and likely less. But let's take that (say you decided you didn't like stands and got a pair of Infinity Primus 363s on sale).

Your are going to need a sub (or two)

Truth be told (and I've heard a lot, but I've also not heard a lot): I'd be really tempted to Get P363 fronts ($220 on sale) + matching center if needed ($200), then depending on your room either run P163s for the other 4 channels (running 7.1) for a total cost of about $300, or more P363s (what can I say: it's a great speaker).

At this point you've spent about $800 on speakers and have about $1k left. That's a lot of sub (which in an area with tremendous impact: especially in home theater). A SVS PC12Plus, a Hsu VTF-15H, or a pair of Hsu VTF-2 Mk4.
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Don't know how long this sale will go on but its a whale of a deal. I have one coming Thursday. This is the lowest price receiver with Audyssey XT32.

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Yeah I think I'm sold on the TX-NR818 so that leaves me about 1400 USD ish left for speakers and such.
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Declaration: Buy the least expensive AVR from a reliable brand that has the features you require. Spend the rest on speakers and sub.

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I would say spending almost 700 dollars on a AV-r and 1400 dollars on speakers isn't a good balanced budget (too receiver heavy) . maybe give up a feature or two on the AV-r, get a couple hundred more for the Speakers budget
Then, I would look at the Ascend Acoust CMT340 across the front (900 dollar for the LCR) and perhaps the CMt170 for the rear (300/pr) and 4-500 dollar for a sub.
EMptek has some systems on sale right now, but they have smallish fronts, so...

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
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I would say spending almost 700 dollars on a AV-r and 1400 dollars on speakers isn't a good balanced budget (too receiver heavy) . maybe give up a feature or two on the AV-r, get a couple hundred more for the Speakers budget
Then, I would look at the Ascend Acoust CMT340 across the front (900 dollar for the LCR) and perhaps the CMt170 for the rear (300/pr) and 4-500 dollar for a sub.
EMptek has some systems on sale right now, but they have smallish fronts, so...

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If you are determined to get the Onkyo 818, these Ascend Acoustics are a great choice. If you can stretch your budget a little, the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus is currently on sale for $500 shipped, and it is easily the best deal on an HT sub for $500 or less.

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I agree with most, even though it's a great receiver (and a great value) it's too much of the total budget (unless you find some end of series speakers on for 60% off).

If you are defining the level of your system by buying that Onkyo first, then the remaining $1400 is probably only enough to buy a 2.1 in the quality level you are setting for your system,

Just my $0.02

PS. I did the same thing, buying a better AVR for my budget and was upgrading my speakers to match in less than 6 months.

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The Onkyo TX-NR809 has dropped to $459 on Amazon. It's the 2011 model similar to the 818, but still a great receiver. If it has the features you want, I'd say go for it while it's on special. That will give you a little bit extra to spend on your speakers.

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I'll probly doing the same thing as you did Rick. Get a good solid TV and AVR and upgrade my speakers next year after I return from patrol and have a large bit of money in the bank. (did the same thing in my PC with my GPUs when I built it). But looking at some sites it looks like 50% on sub/center, 30 on front L/R, and 20 on rear L/R.
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A year from now... There may be new receiver features, but there won't likely be new/ better speakers!
But I agree... Go 2.1 or 3.1 first and get better quality!

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Gonna throw in the obligatory RW-12D for sub at the newegg 300 special, or 2 if it works in. Speakers are personal preference as always. My budget was around this point as well and I ended up with the newegg Icon W fronts when they were on super sale. Saves you having to get a high end receiver because all three speakers are 95db+ efficient.

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So I ordered the Onyko 818 model last night. Going to Best buy to get my 60 inch today. And as for the speakers this is what I have for starters anyone agree for an entry level system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290210
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290270
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078

The only thing I'm a bit worried about is the floorstand speakers state 20-150 watts per channel and that AVR only delivers 135w per channel (I'm thinking that number is peak).
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The monitor 70 is on sale currently and is higher up than the 55t but on older model. The RW-12D will go on sale for 299 again for sure at some point if you can wait and save that 50. The larger CS2 center was also on sale recently and may go on sale again for the same price that the CS1 is now ($99). It's all about sales timing. A coworker of mine recently got the 70 and CS2 combo for the discount price and it's a great value.

Power ratings are kind of sketchy. It really depends on how the receiver measures the power and at what THD. Distortion is what kills speakers and if a receiver is driven to clipping levels, it might kill your speaker. So long as you don't listen to everything at +5 reference, you should be fine though.

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Yeah I saw the CS2 and Monitor70 models but its the watts per channel I'm worried about. I doubt I'll be running this at full power but I don't want to damage my receiver.
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Yeah I saw the CS2 and Monitor70 models but its the watts per channel I'm worried about. I doubt I'll be running this at full power but I don't want to damage my receiver.

Don't understand this worry?

The way you damage your receiver is if you get speakers that have a nominal impedance lower than they can handle.

What exactly are you worried about?

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So about to finish making the order for the speakers changed some things around for budget but I'm trying to find either a wall mount or a stand for these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ZSFTG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A89QP6D3VDW1W . I'll be using those as my rear speakers.

EDIT: changed my mind a bit on the line up so I'll post the revised lineup
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ZSFTQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A318KZKAVS7VOQ
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VIWK0G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ZSFTG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&smid=A89QP6D3VDW1W
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002MPMAE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&smid=A3DRD2WX13H6ZQ

I want to use mounting brackits on the rear speakers the monitor 30 speakers. And depending on the size of the monitor 40s I might just stick them on the table that the TV is sitting on otherwise anyone know any good stands for something these sizes.
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the power ratings listed on speakers is the maximum RMS power the manufacturer feels the speakers can handle without damage ....... NOT the minimum required to have them work well.

Monitor70 towers and CS2 center will work very effectively with receivers/amplifiers of modest power - they are efficient speakers.
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So about to finish making the order for the speakers changed some things around for budget but I'm trying to find either a wall mount or a stand for these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ZSFTG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A89QP6D3VDW1W . I'll be using those as my rear speakers.
EDIT: changed my mind a bit on the line up so I'll post the revised lineup
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ZSFTQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A318KZKAVS7VOQ
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VIWK0G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002ZSFTG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&smid=A89QP6D3VDW1W
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002MPMAE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&smid=A3DRD2WX13H6ZQ
I want to use mounting brackits on the rear speakers the monitor 30 speakers. And depending on the size of the monitor 40s I might just stick them on the table that the TV is sitting on otherwise anyone know any good stands for something these sizes.

I'm confused about this. Newegg has most of these speakers in their series ii form for cheaper than you can find them on amazon. The RW-12D is a superior sub to the Synergy 12 for the same price. You can get full blown polk towers for the same price as those bigger bookshelfs. All just fyi of course, it's your money. Maybe space is a concern.

*edit: All of the above assumes sale pricing and they don't always go on sale at the same time.

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Newegg hates my credit card thats why I can try to use it again but the last few times it normally gave me the big F U.
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So newegg finally accepts my card.

1 x Polk Audio Monitor30 Series II Two-Way Bookshelf Loudspeaker (Black) Pair

1 x Polk Audio CS1 Series II Center Channel Speaker (Black) Each

1 x Klipsch Reference RW-12d 12" Powered Subwoofer Each w/ New box

2 x Polk Audio New Monitor 55T Two-Way Ported Floorstanding Loudspeaker (Black) Each

Came out to about 800 ish with the deals on the site. Now I'm just waiting on the items to get shipped.
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So got the packages in today and got everything set up. Movies like The Matrix and Saving Private Ryan sound amazing on it. All I have left to do is finish calibrating the new TV and speakers. Thanks for the help everyone, I'll be sure to post a few pics later.
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Congrats on your purchase! You certainly got quite the system for 800-ish.

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Awesome. Happy Audio Xmas! biggrin.gif

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