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Sure. This is long term thermal heat damage - no other way to do this. I've only seen this twice in three years so it's not a show-stopper in the Pendragon design. My first client freely admitted that he was playing them "very loud". I helped him through the replacement and everything was fixed.



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It is 2 am and it is not my "norm" to lose my temper. This Form was when I started over a year ago as "elvisthebeagle" that got mis-spelled. Back then I was told this was a technical Form that dwelled on Specs, graphs and calibrated performance. There was a guy named Fitzmarice, sorry if I mis-spelled the name, but he would piss me off more that anybody. Reason being was he knows more about loudspeakers and design than all of us on this page put together. He knows much more. He had /has credibility. He is as far as I know not a Tekton fan. At least he knew what he was talking about and made me learn about what he was saying. One tweeter blowing up is one thing. All three is a major power surge. I am not anything more that a very happy Tekton customer. Not Eric's' buddy or anything close to that. I have a great respect for Eric's genius . I my opinion and experience Demoing loudspeakers for over one year it would cost me thousands of dollars more to equal the quality of audio performance from Tekton. It is some "Give and take". I sum it up this way. His company grew very fast. After the review from Andrew Robinson he was flooded with orders. My order was months late and came drilled for grills and no grills. I told Eric that if the grills were to hold up the order more, then to just ship the speakers only. Mine also have no Tekton badges. When they arrived, they were professionally packed by Eric's new very expensive packing machine. A flat Red lacquer , several coats. The cabinets, very plain were nicely done. They were fun just to look at. When I removed the def techs and hooked up the Pendragons I now could hear every tiny sound clearly. Cymbals that sounded like cymbals. Tom Toms that had a "real life punch". Snare drums were so real sounding. Horns were like they were in the room and so on.Not to forget voices as clear as if in the room with me also. I visited a couple of other sites. Another Internet Direct Loudspeaker company that has always had a pretty good reputation. I saw the exact same name bashing. A bunch of " Audio legends in their own minds" bashing this company. I called Eric last night out of curiosity.He told me that he refunded the guys money. FUNNY HOW THAT NEVER MADE IT TO THE FORM. He said that he felt it that had to be mis use and with his huge order file it just was not worth the time. He did not say this but I could tell that this bothered him. Had this person just asked for help without all the theatrics Eric would have helped him anyway. When he had too many orders to fill he made choices 'build speakers or build grills. He built without sacrificing quality the loudspeakers. The grills were backordered or what ever. SO-What. At least I have fantastic Loudspeakers that are as good or better that the top if the line Vienna Acoustics that we put side by side. I sat in a $30,000 home theater room that did NOT sound better than mine. What Eric has made available for a very affordable amount of money is mind boggling. No cheap MIC labor. Made in USA. Eric almost always answers his own phone and will talk to anybody. And Again, Eric does not make the tweeters. There are thousands of them out in the world working just great. Again, All there was some kind of power surge. Cross bracing and what ever the other ignorant comment about damping pushed me over the top. It is his design. If you know how to build the "correct" loudspeaker then why bother with Tekton? Just buy some MDF and have your 7th graders build the cabinets, you show / educate us all how to "do it right" and make a fortune. Odds are you can't. Teaching is a noble profession. I have a teaching credential that I never used. Could not support a family on what it pays. Eric does not pay for reviews like Pioneer does. He will send the reviewer a pair of speakers to "Demo" and that is it. Eric is running a business, not a charity. His company is very young. He has learned by doing. Not sitting on the sideline second guessing other peoples companies. Tekton will be around for a long time. He has a great business model. He makes great products. He is willing to "learn" as he grows. By the way on the subject of cabinet quality, yes the base models are MDF. MDF is what kitchen cabinets are made from. Also there are different grades of MDF and HDF. Interior grades and exterior. Unlike plywood there no voids. There are great for speaker cabinets. If you wanted better cabinet veneers Eric does custom work with all kinds of exotic woods. So if you're going to take a cheap shot please get your facts straight. Fancy veneers will not make the speakers sound better. Solid hard wood lumber would drive the loudspeaker cost out of most peoples reach. So what was your point? Toot the "I am a high school wood shop teacher" horn. A very noble profession, but what does that have to do with Loudspeaker design? Eric had been doing this successfully all his life. He designed many award winning Loudspeakers for other companies. One is Internet direct in Lake Oswego, ORE. He had the guts to put together a business plan, sell it to a bank, get the funds to start a company from scratch and in just a few years is making major "thunder" in the audio industry. Anybody that would like the real truth about Tekton I would be happy to help. Pros and cons. Do not read these (including mine) and think this is a fair review of Tekton. Do not deprive your self to own true audiophile Loudspeakers for a affordable price. Use Google, see those reviews. Talk to Eric. Do not just take our word for it. I think that you will find that AVS is turning into a bunch of "elite members" that are "legends in their own minds". A sort of "buddy system". Just look at how many posts they have written. Thousands of them. That is not normal.
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Im happy these forums exist. I was so ready to pull the trigger on some Pendragons but thankfully I was able to avoid dealing with that douchebag Eric Alexander
Eric and a very honest man. I own Pendragons for over a year. No problems, just audio joy. To call Eric names was uncalled for. These people on this site are not the "gurus" you may think they are. Not giving Tekton a fair trial is your loss. Go buy Def techs at Ebay. Bajawaverunner is the site name. They have an outlet for refurbished Loudspeakers. They are owned by Def Tech. Almost half price. Problem is you will not get the mids and crystal clear highs. All I am saying is kept an open mind and just talk to Eric. Eric has plenty of business , I just don't want others to make the same costly mistakes that I have made.
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The Pendragon is everything the professional reviewers have purported it to be. Anyone purchasing the Tekton Design Pendragon for home theater and/or hi-fi is going to be pleasantly rewarded with a great sounding loudspeaker. I've got plenty on the shelf ready to ship out today. The lead times are minimal with shipping occurring same day or under 24 hours for standard satin black finish.

I also encourage anyone still requiring grilles (on any Tekton model) to please call me directly or send me a brief email.

Eric Alexander
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FYI: The Tekton Design Pendragon certainly does contain damping material and the Tekton Design Pendragon also utilizes integral cabinet bracing. I've found each of these to be necessity in a high performance loudspeaker.
To think that the first statement you make is to self promote yourself. No contrition. Wow.

People have been contacting you repeatedly about grills by phone and email essentially to no avail. Promises made, promises broken and unfortunately for them, but fortunate for you, they don't know
what agencies to direct their complaints. One of your staunchest supporters and apologists, michaelthemutt, still doesn't have his labels after repeated inquiries.

So now you ask folks to send you a brief email. And? State publicly how and in what time frame you intend to remedy this situation. Aren't you tired yet of being saddled by this? Do you take some pride in knowing that you're flaunting FTC business guidelines and getting away with it?

As to bracing and dampening material, provide pictures supporting your position because it seems at odds with what the gentleman from B.C. says he found.

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Sure. This is long term thermal heat damage - no other way to do this. I've only seen this twice in three years so it's not a show-stopper in the Pendragon design. My first client freely admitted that he was playing them "very loud". I helped him through the replacement and everything was fixed.



You may or may not be right but you haven't conducted a proper investigation - pictures of the crossover and internal wiring, physical examination of the crossover, etc. instead, you've issued a proclamation without exercising due diligence. Loud doesnt mean anything because there are people who state they don't have any problems and are also playing loud. Instead they have a toothless warranty as useless as tits on a bull.

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It is 2 am and it is not my "norm" to lose my temper. This Form was when I started over a year ago as "elvisthebeagle" that got mis-spelled. Back then I was told this was a technical Form that dwelled on Specs, graphs and calibrated performance. There was a guy named Fitzmarice, sorry if I mis-spelled the name, but he would piss me off more that anybody. Reason being was he knows more about loudspeakers and design than all of us on this page put together. He knows much more. He had /has credibility. He is as far as I know not a Tekton fan. At least he knew what he was talking about and made me learn about what he was saying. One tweeter blowing up is one thing. All three is a major power surge. I am not anything more that a very happy Tekton customer. Not Eric's' buddy or anything close to that. I have a great respect for Eric's genius . I my opinion and experience Demoing loudspeakers for over one year it would cost me thousands of dollars more to equal the quality of audio performance from Tekton. It is some "Give and take". I sum it up this way. His company grew very fast. After the review from Andrew Robinson he was flooded with orders. My order was months late and came drilled for grills and no grills. I told Eric that if the grills were to hold up the order more, then to just ship the speakers only. Mine also have no Tekton badges. When they arrived, they were professionally packed by Eric's new very expensive packing machine. A flat Red lacquer , several coats. The cabinets, very plain were nicely done. They were fun just to look at. When I removed the def techs and hooked up the Pendragons I now could hear every tiny sound clearly. Cymbals that sounded like cymbals. Tom Toms that had a "real life punch". Snare drums were so real sounding. Horns were like they were in the room and so on.Not to forget voices as clear as if in the room with me also. I visited a couple of other sites. Another Internet Direct Loudspeaker company that has always had a pretty good reputation. I saw the exact same name bashing. A bunch of " Audio legends in their own minds" bashing this company. I called Eric last night out of curiosity.He told me that he refunded the guys money. FUNNY HOW THAT NEVER MADE IT TO THE FORM. He said that he felt it that had to be mis use and with his huge order file it just was not worth the time. He did not say this but I could tell that this bothered him. Had this person just asked for help without all the theatrics Eric would have helped him anyway. When he had too many orders to fill he made choices 'build speakers or build grills. He built without sacrificing quality the loudspeakers. The grills were backordered or what ever. SO-What. At least I have fantastic Loudspeakers that are as good or better that the top if the line Vienna Acoustics that we put side by side. I sat in a $30,000 home theater room that did NOT sound better than mine. What Eric has made available for a very affordable amount of money is mind boggling. No cheap MIC labor. Made in USA. Eric almost always answers his own phone and will talk to anybody. And Again, Eric does not make the tweeters. There are thousands of them out in the world working just great. Again, All there was some kind of power surge. Cross bracing and what ever the other ignorant comment about damping pushed me over the top. It is his design. If you know how to build the "correct" loudspeaker then why bother with Tekton? Just buy some MDF and have your 7th graders build the cabinets, you show / educate us all how to "do it right" and make a fortune. Odds are you can't. Teaching is a noble profession. I have a teaching credential that I never used. Could not support a family on what it pays. Eric does not pay for reviews like Pioneer does. He will send the reviewer a pair of speakers to "Demo" and that is it. Eric is running a business, not a charity. His company is very young. He has learned by doing. Not sitting on the sideline second guessing other peoples companies. Tekton will be around for a long time. He has a great business model. He makes great products. He is willing to "learn" as he grows. By the way on the subject of cabinet quality, yes the base models are MDF. MDF is what kitchen cabinets are made from. Also there are different grades of MDF and HDF. Interior grades and exterior. Unlike plywood there no voids. There are great for speaker cabinets. If you wanted better cabinet veneers Eric does custom work with all kinds of exotic woods. So if you're going to take a cheap shot please get your facts straight. Fancy veneers will not make the speakers sound better. Solid hard wood lumber would drive the loudspeaker cost out of most peoples reach. So what was your point? Toot the "I am a high school wood shop teacher" horn. A very noble profession, but what does that have to do with Loudspeaker design? Eric had been doing this successfully all his life. He designed many award winning Loudspeakers for other companies. One is Internet direct in Lake Oswego, ORE. He had the guts to put together a business plan, sell it to a bank, get the funds to start a company from scratch and in just a few years is making major "thunder" in the audio industry. Anybody that would like the real truth about Tekton I would be happy to help. Pros and cons. Do not read these (including mine) and think this is a fair review of Tekton. Do not deprive your self to own true audiophile Loudspeakers for a affordable price. Use Google, see those reviews. Talk to Eric. Do not just take our word for it. 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Once again, the Pendragon is everything the professional reviewers have purported it to be. Anyone purchasing the Tekton Design Pendragon for home theater and/or hi-fi is going to be pleasantly rewarded with a great sounding loudspeaker. I've got plenty on the shelf ready to ship out today. The lead times are minimal with shipping occurring same day or under 24 hours for standard satin black finish.

I also encourage anyone still requiring grilles (on any Tekton model) to please call me directly or send me a brief email.

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FYI: The Tekton Design Pendragon certainly does contain damping material and the Tekton Design Pendragon also utilizes integral cabinet bracing. I've found each of these to be necessity in a high performance loudspeaker.
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I heard the Pendragons at a GTG and they sounded pretty good but I question this:

Sensitivity: 98 db's
Frequency response: 20hz - 30khz

No way that's possible in an enclosure that size. Is that +/- 10 db's on the frequency response? Even then I would question it. No way the 98 db sensitivity is right either.
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In the StereoMojo review, it was estimated at 95 dB.

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Once again, the Pendragon is everything the professional reviewers have purported it to be. Anyone purchasing the Tekton Design Pendragon for home theater and/or hi-fi is going to be pleasantly rewarded with a great sounding loudspeaker. I've got plenty on the shelf ready to ship out today. The lead times are minimal with shipping occurring same day or under 24 hours for standard satin black finish.

I also encourage anyone still requiring grilles (on any Tekton model) to please call me directly or send me a brief email.

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FYI: The Tekton Design Pendragon certainly does contain damping material and the Tekton Design Pendragon also utilizes integral cabinet bracing. I've found each of these to be necessity in a high performance loudspeaker.
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In the StereoMojo review, it was estimated at 95 dB.
Even with that I'm not buying 20hz unless it's +/- a lot.
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I heard the Pendragons at a GTG and they sounded pretty good but I question this:
Sensitivity: 98 db's
Frequency response: 20hz - 30khz
No way that's possible in an enclosure that size. Is that +/- 10 db's on the frequency response? Even then I would question it. No way the 98 db sensitivity is right either.
Using pro sound drivers 98dB sensitivity is likely, but not with useful 20Hz response. About the best you'll get at 20Hz is 85dB sensitivity.
This is the same nonsense that Zu has long spouted, must be something in the Utah water. That, or too much time spent in Colorado.
Even Klipsch, the king of specsmanship, doesn't make such an outrageous claim. But almost...

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Using pro sound drivers 98dB sensitivity is likely, but not with useful 20Hz response. About the best you'll get at 20Hz is 85dB sensitivity.
This is the same nonsense that Zu has long spouted, must be something in the Utah water. That, or too much time spent in Colorado.
Even Klipsch, the king of specsmanship, doesn't make such an outrageous claim. But almost...

Wow - 85 db sensitivity - I'm not surprised though, I would have guessed in the 80's for sure.

Yeah, I've learned first hand how stupid big a speaker has to be to play below 20hz and still have sensitivity in the 90's.
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Respectfully, the Pendragon is everything the professional reviewers have purported it to be. Anyone purchasing the Tekton Design Pendragon for home theater and/or hi-fi is going to be pleasantly rewarded with a great sounding loudspeaker. I've got plenty on the shelf ready to ship out today. The lead times are minimal with shipping occurring same day or under 24 hours for standard satin black finish.

I also encourage anyone still requiring grilles (on any Tekton model) to please call me directly or send me a brief email.

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Respectfully, the Pendragon is everything the professional reviewers have purported it to be. Anyone purchasing the Tekton Design Pendragon for home theater and/or hi-fi is going to be pleasantly rewarded with a great sounding loudspeaker. I've got plenty on the shelf ready to ship out today. The lead times are minimal with shipping occurring same day or under 24 hours for standard satin black finish.

I also encourage anyone still requiring grilles (on any Tekton model) to please call me directly or send me a brief email.

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