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post #2221 of 2246 Old 09-18-2016, 01:37 AM
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But then again, maybe I'll never upgrade. Because even with these speakers it shows how bad most recordings are, and even better speakers might be less enjoyable most of the time, unless the music you listen to is always available with the best recordings.
I haven't found that to be the case. Greater accuracy doesn't lead to less enjoyment IME. Preferred speakers tend to be the most accurate.
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I haven't found that to be the case. Greater accuracy doesn't lead to less enjoyment IME. Preferred speakers tend to be the most accurate.
I agree that accurate speakers sound stunning with good recordings, and it is pretty cool to hear people shuffling and making noises around the recording studio, it gives more of the feeling of being there. But I do find myself annoyed sometimes with how bad many recordings are.
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I agree that accurate speakers sound stunning with good recordings, and it is pretty cool to hear people shuffling and making noises around the recording studio, it gives more of the feeling of being there. But I do find myself annoyed sometimes with how bad many recordings are.
I find that a grossly inaccurate speaker setup produces the best results for the music that the wife and I listen to, which is mostly Blu-ray rock concerts. Most of them sound crap with a single pair of flat frequency response speakers, thin, lacking in bass and overly bright. The Pendragon's I use certainly overcome the lack of bass on these recordings to a large degree but as with all other speakers I've tried, still leave the sound lacking in body and overly bright.

I came across the solution quite by accident when comparing the new Pendragon's to my existing Zu Audio Omen Defs. I had them set up side by side on separate amps for quick switching. My son when he was visiting said why not run them both at once. I thought, nah, will just get comb filtering and loss of image. However I tried it and wow, what a huge full sound. Was still far too bright, but turning the treble down on the Outlaw RR2150 integrated amp that was driving the Omen Defs solved that. The Omen Defs strength is its upper bass and midrange, but its weakness is in the low to mid treble where the 10" drivers (which run without a crossover) are still producing sound. So cutting that off with the treble control of the RR2150 and letting the Penragon's treble take over is much more pleasing.

The volume and treble controls on the RR2150 (which drives the Omen Defs) are used as a mid-bass, mid-range boost, that I tailor to the source or blu-ray concert or audio disk being played. Some concerts need a large volume boost with correspondingly large treble cut, others not as much. The Pendragon's are running from the Anthem MCA 20 power amp and with no tone control. The Emotiva XSP-1 drives the MCA 20 via the balanced outputs and the RR2150 via the RCA outputs. The speaker wires on the RR2150 are reversed to keep the two sets of speakers in phase, as one of the power amps happens to be inverting.

The end result is by far the best, most realistic and full sounding experience I've heard anywhere. Just so engaging and not fatiguing at all. It's like being there. I don't think any single pair of speakers at any price can duplicate it. And I don't detect any comb filtering effects at all.

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I agree that accurate speakers sound stunning with good recordings, and it is pretty cool to hear people shuffling and making noises around the recording studio, it gives more of the feeling of being there. But I do find myself annoyed sometimes with how bad many recordings are.
See, that's the thing, I dont think there are too many really bad recordings. Of course there are some, but I think there are so many more very good to great recordings.

I listen almost exclusively to streaming music through Sonos and I enjoy hours of music a night that I think is fantastic. And there is plenty of stuff that is every bit as good as any of the hi-rez stuff I own. Some better. Which is why I rarely bother even going to my hi-rez stuff anymore.

Moving to more accurate speakers I now enjoy more stuff than ever before, which is why I commented. There are plenty of speakers out there that may sound good, but aren't necessarily accurate. For example, many B&W speakers fall into this category. Have you looked at the measurements of your speakers?
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That's why you need atleast 2 different speakers. As I use both direct drive for techno and belt driven for hi fi listening. Find it easier

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See, that's the thing, I dont think there are too many really bad recordings. Of course there are some, but I think there are so many more very good to great recordings.

I listen almost exclusively to streaming music through Sonos and I enjoy hours of music a night that I think is fantastic. And there is plenty of stuff that is every bit as good as any of the hi-rez stuff I own. Some better. Which is why I rarely bother even going to my hi-rez stuff anymore.

Moving to more accurate speakers I now enjoy more stuff than ever before, which is why I commented. There are plenty of speakers out there that may sound good, but aren't necessarily accurate. For example, many B&W speakers fall into this category. Have you looked at the measurements of your speakers?
I'd have to look at the measurements of them again, but I know they are quite flat. Look them up, I think Bryston said they took over 200 measurements when making the T series speakers. Don't know if that's true but they do have their own testing chamber where they are built at Axiom, so why not. And I should clarify about bad recordings, I was saying it wrong. I meant mostly with not so great sources, like streaming from Google play. When listening to Tidal hi-fi almost everything sounds great.
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I'd have to look at the measurements of them again, but I know they are quite flat. Look them up, I think Bryston said they took over 200 measurements when making the T series speakers. Don't know if that's true but they do have their own testing chamber where they are built at Axiom, so why not. And I should clarify about bad recordings, I was saying it wrong. I meant mostly with not so great sources, like streaming from Google play. When listening to Tidal hi-fi almost everything sounds great.
Here are the NRC measurements of your speakers.
http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/ind...nts&Itemid=153

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http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/ind...nts&Itemid=153
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Yes, thank you. And that dip in the 2-4khz range is why my sensitive ears find the mini T's amazing. I get fatigued in that range, that's why most speakers don't work for me. Ruler flat may be perfect for most, but not for me. I even found the LS50'S quite fatiguing when most people don't. I think Bryston did a fantastic job of compromising between flat response and tuning for a pleasing sound like B&W seems to do. I love them. But isn't this a Tekton thread? Lol.

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So after doing a b comparison between 804 d3 and pendragon conclusion is pens are better for overall music enjoyment and 804 d3 better for critical listening. 804 d3 need more playing around with to get close enjoyment when it comes down to high dynamics. If someone asked which to buy it be Pens overall satisfaction and it's less expensive. For me 804 is my reference speaker.

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Just wanted to post how well Eric Alexander takes care of his customers. I had issue with one of the 10 inch woofers, he quickly called me in literally 5 second after emailing him of the issue. In no time he sent me out replacement driver. He even just told me to glues the speaker while I wait. What is good about that is being able to enjoy the pendragons while I waited for the replacement. So anyone wondering about going tekton do it because you have A+ company owner.

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Eric is testing before shipping to make sure they sound correct.

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I cancelled my zu and sold my 804 d 3. You stated about bad recordings. 1 LP metalica. Master of puppets sounds bad but on pendragon with sub sounds better then expensive 804 d3

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How do your new speakers sound? Do they live up to the hype of that "patent" Eric posted about a while back?

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Yeah, but not in the beginning. For me I needed to use treble control to brighten it up. Imaging is on point. They produce depth in the sound stage and No localization that I notice. Also they get loud without loosing anything. The bass is controlled and gets better with cranking the volume. I kinda get lost in my description things just pop up as I right this.


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One day I'll get the double impact


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I'd get a set of Double Impacts in a heartbeat if someone would buy my Pendragons.
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The double impacts look interesting. I wonder what the off axis response looks like.
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Recap I don't require treble boosted, things are opening up more with continuous listening.


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Recap I don't require treble boosted, things are opening up more with continuous listening.


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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, keep them coming! Are these the best speakers you've heard? If not, what is better sounding? What other brands of speakers to these Tektons beat?

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So far they are my favorite.


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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, keep them coming! Are these the best speakers you've heard? If not, what is better sounding? What other brands of speakers to these Tektons beat?


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I listened to high end set of Martin logans those I didn't like because the sweet spot was hard to find, imaging was on the floor but acoustics but they sounded great.


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Hey Calestus,

What are Pens like, upgrades, finishes, etc? Interested.
I did PM you a few days ago.
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I listened to high end set of Martin logans those I didn't like because the sweet spot was hard to find, imaging was on the floor but acoustics but they sounded great.


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I had to sit far back to raise the image. Don't get me wrong they sounded great, I don't have time to play around with that type of speaker.


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Hey Calestus,

What are Pens like, upgrades, finishes, etc? Interested.
I did PM you a few days ago.
Never got the PM. Weird.

Anyways they are painted in a colour called Cherry Cola by Behr, clarity cap, internal mil-spec wire, silver cardas posts, and 4 ohm.

There's a picture in this thread somewhere I think. PM me your number and I'll text you photos.

On another note I'm about 95% sure I'm just going to keep these as rears and get a set of DIs for the fronts. But we can chat!
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