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Gear includes emotiva xpa 7, xmc, class'e ct2300, pendragon lcr and svs sub. I stream all video. I bought the Samsung 4K bluray that I used 3 times.


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Gear includes emotiva xpa 7, xmc, class'e ct2300, pendragon lcr and svs sub. I stream all video. I bought the Samsung 4K bluray that I used 3 times.


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That's a nice setup! That Classe amp is a monster. Way out of my price range. I've been looking at the Crown XLi and XLS lines pretty closely. That will probably be my next upgrade.

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Are you getting the center channel?
Planning on it eventually. Right now the phantom center is working pretty well.

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I'm running my Brilliance With xpa 100s they sound incredible


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Those speakers are tall.

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I'm running my Brilliance With xpa 100s they sound incredible


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So after doing a b comparison between 804 d3 and pendragon conclusion is pens are better for overall music enjoyment and 804 d3 better for critical listening. 804 d3 need more playing around with to get close enjoyment when it comes down to high dynamics. If someone asked which to buy it be Pens overall satisfaction and it's less expensive. For me 804 is my reference speaker.

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I've been considering the BW 804 D3 (as well as the CM10 S2) and I've heard good things about the Pendragon, though I'll admit the three tweeters thing sort of weirds me out a bit (though the Double Impact is bonkers crazy looking).

How would you compare the sound of the Pendragon overall to the 804 D3, especially when it comes to clarity, 'resolution' (for lack of a better term, how it does at reproducing individual elements in a musical recording so that they're all distinctly audible and not just a muddled blend), midrange openness, treble (harsh or 'bright' vs more airy vs mellow and laid back), quickness/tightness of bass, width/depth of sounstage or anything else really?
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The 804 doesn't have the huge soundstage when it comes to ease of speaker set up. I enjoy the 804 for critical and pens for enjoyment. If you only want to be critical then 804. If you want giant sound that is great, then buy the pens.


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I always wondered why no other speaker company uses more than 1 tweeter.. What is the reason behind this? Would really love to hear Tektons with the multiple tweeters..
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I always wondered why no other speaker company uses more than 1 tweeter.. What is the reason behind this? Would really love to hear Tektons with the multiple tweeters..
No other? While certainly not common, it's been done many times. And when factoring in the line source speaker category, those make Tekton's use of 3 tweeters seem paltry by comparison.
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My point was.. None of the common speaker makers do it. Why not?

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My point was.. None of the common speaker makers do it. Why not?

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Dynaudio does, in some of thier top speakers.
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What's the benefit of more tweeters?

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My point was.. None of the common speaker makers do it. Why not?
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What's the benefit of more tweeters?
Multiple tweeters are tricky to implement and often unnecessary anyway. There may be some benefit to multiples if VERY HIGH volumes is a goal, but beyond that I'm not sure what the value is. Given how many speakers have been produced up to now and how speaker makers would probably want to stand out from the competition with more unique/original designs, if there were very compelling reasons to utilize multiple tweeters, I'm sure more would be doing it. That's my sense of it, anyway.


See this thread for some decent consideration of the same question.
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That's kind of what my point was..

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I want to briefly share my experience without being long winded. If anyone has any questions to ask me, please do so. I purchased my set of 8ohm Pendragons a few months ago, 2/2016, after a few phone calls to Eric.
I run them for 90% music while listening to everything under the sun including rap and electronic. Normal listening volume is AVG 90 dB but often found at 100 dB when cleaning the house (C weighted Radio Shack SPL meter at listening position in 2300 cu ft room 10 ft from speaker positions). Originally hoped to power them on a budget but soon realized my speakers were totally bada$$ and needed something up to snuff. This is my adventure with amplification. Please keep in mind I'm not a purist audiophile, I listen to what sounds good not what measures or markets well. After breaking the speakers and test amps I've realized the Pendragons do as they are told and are quite neutral. The amplification and DAC choice is important to get the desired sonic characteristic. I wanted something that would sound great and get very loud.

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1. Red Wine Audio Signature 15 w/ upgraded miniwatt tube and charger - $700 - Very smooth amp, liquid and non-fatiguing. Not harsh, brittle or grainy. Good bass but did not do well with Rap at higher listening volumes. Does really well with any music at 90db but nearing 98db it fell on it's face. Like this amp for what it is, but it did not have the balls I needed.

2. Sophia Electric Music Baby - $600 - I want to emphasize what I'm about to say because I've put in months of work finding something better. I thought the Red Wine would be much better because of 6moons review but I was quickly reminded these guys get paid to write that stuff. This little tube amp kick's freaking ass. Wide open soundstage, huge presence and instruments and vocals are just incredibly organic. Read this review. For the money this setup is spectacular and totally stomped out most of what I listened to at all the high end shops in DC area at volumes at or below 95db. A seriously good sounding amp and for $600 street value you can't beat it. Budget audiophiles listen up. This tube amp sounds better than what I was hearing from Rogue (Cronus Magnum II), Line Magnetic (216ia) and Prima Luna (prologue classic). Sure the others had more headroom but most people don't listen to music loud like me and could totally get away with using this 10wpc tube amp. Love it but didn't have the balls I needed.

3. Crown XLS 2002 - $500 - Harsh, grainy, unforgiving, no emotion, little soundstage, huge power, dynamic. I really wanted this amp to work after reading the threads and pages listed all over the internet that pair this series amp with the Pendragons. I broke-in this amp in for a few weeks and it just never sounded anything even remotely close to the Sophia or RWA. As a matter of fact I had a tough time listening to it for very long, was way too bright and edgy. Tried several DAC's, sources, cables ect. The main issue I had was at lower listening levels the above amps were just better. Yet power was everywhere and I could crank the Pendragon's and really have it bang hard. At higher listening volumes the treble was so sharp and unforgiving it took away from the raw power of the Crown. Keep in mind I have a great listening room and I tried many angles and variations with no winning solutions.

4. Parasound Halo Integrated 2.1 - $2500 - Not at smooth as the Red Wine Audio, had good power but got sloppy in bass when turned up (100+db), wonderful features, decent DAC, ****ty volume knob (crackled when turning it). I really wanted to love this amp too, mostly because it's so strongly recommended by the professional reviewing community. My results did not line up and it was at this point I stopped trusting online reviews. Don't get me wrong, this is a good amp which had power, features and was not terrible like the Crown but it lacked emotion, tonality and got bright all too quickly. Pretty good for movies or someone looking for home theater but the Sophia sounds so much better I sent this sucker back.

I did end up finding a winner tube amp from a local source. Significantly more powerful than the Sophia Baby and more musical. I can now fill the house with some very serious SPL and continue to sound better than anything I could find in a local shop under 20k. If you want more information contact Bruce about the Dynaco's. I cannot comment yet because I'm doing a video review and don't want to spoil the fun.

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Pendragons are true full range speakers. By default they will provide more octaves of listening pleasure vs just about anything out there even close to 2k. No replacement for displacement. They are neutral so you should try to get an amp and supporting gear that sounds right. I found tube amps sound, far and away, much better than solid state with no comparison. Even people visiting who know nothing about audio would prefer the tube amp's to the SS's. This happened more times than I could count. DAC I used was an Emotiva XDA-2 v2 with a Yamaha CD player or Tidal.
Hello...as much as I love the pendragons and crown XLS 2002 series 2...my wife thinks they are bright at high volume...mostly with voices. Did you experience this when you tested the crown/pendragons set up? The crowns have sooooooo much power for their price...
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Double impact or nothing *

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Wish I could hear them.

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Just ordered a pair yesterday!
I've told my friend about the Pendragons so many times and now he pulled the trigger on a new pair Thursday!He is out in the Grants Pass,Oregon area..are there any good hifi shops out there .He is looking for a new Receiver.I sent him a link to Emotiva thinking he may be interested in a seperates package.He is on a budget tho so I sent him the Basx links.
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I have family in Grants Pass, funny you mention that. See if he can find a Pioneer SC-95 or 97. They are dirt cheap right now. One of those will make the Pens sing..

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I have family in Grants Pass, funny you mention that. See if he can find a Pioneer SC-95 or 97. They are dirt cheap right now. One of those will make the Pens sing..

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Hey,Small world..I will pass that along.Thanks
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Figured out part of the 3 tweeter setup


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Listening I began to question the setup. I ended up putting my ear up to the tweeters. I noticed middle was louder. It must draw lower midrange to blend in to the lower frequencies. You never hear the low end coming from the floor.


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I went down to Eric's shop in Orem, UT a few weeks ago to pick up my grilles. Awesome guy to work with. Since I bought my Pendragons used, I hadn't dealt with him before. I wasn't sure what to expect because he had been a little short in my correspondence with him(through e-mail), which I figured was because he was busy. In person, very nice guy. I asked him a few questions about amplification and such, and he was more than willing to explain to me not only his opinion, but how the different type of amps worked and how it affected the sound, etc. I wish I had had more time to pick his brain, but I was in a bit of a rush with the wife and kids waiting for me.

I wasn't expecting the shop itself to be very big, but it was even smaller than I expected. The space was well-utilized and organized. I imagine that if Eric wanted to grow any more he'd need to find a new place or maybe expand into one of the adjacent spaces. There were two employees there at the time; not sure if there are more than that or not. I was speaking to one of them and asked if he owned any of the Tekton speakers himself. He informed me that he didn't currently, and that he had only been working there for a few days! His previous employer: Wilson Audio. He commented that at Wilson they would regularly enjoy movies on their Sophia speakers (not sure the series), but that the Double Impacts at Tekton "blew them away". High praise if you ask me.

Anyway, it was a very cool experience indeed. The bad part is that I've only had my Pendragons for a month and I already am trying to figure out a way to upgrade to the Double Impacts... LOL. I asked Eric if he could share some pictures with me to post, and he kindly obliged. Here you go!

This is the where the shop is, clear down on the end (taken from Google StreetView). When we arrived (actually went to the wrong building first) there was a Fedex guy backing his semi down that narrow driveway to pickup the days load of Tekton Speakers going out. From what I saw there, demand is high and business is good!









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Very nice. Those speakers look really good!

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