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Hello all,

I'm looking for recommendations on a 5.1 speaker setup for a small living room. Below is my meticulously created floorplan (I'm kidding, it's terrible) to give you an idea of what I'm working with.


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The living room is roughly 16' x 9.5' with the TV mounted on the wall (blue rectangle) above a TV stand (black recentangle) and there is about 4 feet in between the couch (brown rectangle) and the front of the TV stand. The red circles are roughly where the previous tenant had speakers mounted on the ceiling. The ceiling is kind of cathedral-like. They peak at the wall the TV is mounted on at about 11' high and then angle down to the wall the futon is against at about 8' though he had all 4 speakers mounted at about 7' all around. I'm assuming he used bookshelf speakers. They were kind of corner mounted. The previous tenant is my landlord, so I could ask him what kind of brackets/mounts he used, but I figured I would get some advice here first.

I'm looking at buying a Denon AVR-1913 to drive the speakers. The TV is used for cable TV, bluray movies, and video games (Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii).

I was thinking maybe a set of Energy Take Classic 5.1's or maybe MLT-2's. I'm a HT noob, so if I left out anything, let me know.

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I'll go ahead and ask the question that everybody will want to know anyways..

What is your budget including speakers and receiver?
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I'll go ahead and ask the question that everybody will want to know anyways..
What is your budget including speakers and receiver?

Ah sorry about that - The receiver I've already priced out, so no worries on that.

The speakers, I'm thinking around $300-$400. Preferably from Amazon if possible, because I have some gift cards to burn. Sorry, I thought that was obvious from the two choices of speakers I gave above.
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Ah sorry about that - The receiver I've already priced out, so no worries on that.
The speakers, I'm thinking around $300-$400. Preferably from Amazon if possible, because I have some gift cards to burn. Sorry, I thought that was obvious from the two choices of speakers I gave above.

If your stuck on getting it all at once, I have heard the Martin Logan MLT-2 and I liked them for what they were. Amazon has it at $369.
http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-MLT-2-Theater-System-Black/dp/B0049P2000/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355830256&sr=1-1&keywords=mlt2&tag=vig-20

The Energy Take system you mentioned has some good reviews on it as well although I cant speak for them because I have never heard that system. I know Energy makes good speakers though. The RC-10's are some of the best bookshelves you can get for the price. IMO

If your not stuck on getting it all at once, let us know. You can get a nice used pair of towers and a decent center channel for around $400. Then as you get more money you can start upgrading. Just whatever you want to do..
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Yes, I would prefer getting them all at once. I figure I can always upgrade later, but I'd rather have a full set. So that's a +1 for the MLT-2's. Good to know. I'm surprised you haven't heard of the Energy's - I *only* heard about them here and people seem to love them, and others think they're just "okay."

As far as towers go, I can't fit them. There just isn't the space for it. That's probably why the landlord had his speakers mounted in all 4 corners. There just isn't enough space in between the door to the sewing room and the door to the office with the TV there. If I had a smaller TV and no stand there, maybe, but that's not the case.
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Yes, I would prefer getting them all at once. I figure I can always upgrade later, but I'd rather have a full set. So that's a +1 for the MLT-2's. Good to know. I'm surprised you haven't heard of the Energy's - I *only* heard about them here and people seem to love them, and others think they're just "okay."
As far as towers go, I can't fit them. There just isn't the space for it. That's probably why the landlord had his speakers mounted in all 4 corners. There just isn't enough space in between the door to the sewing room and the door to the office with the TV there. If I had a smaller TV and no stand there, maybe, but that's not the case.

I have heard Energy speakers, I just have not heard that specific set ( The Energy Take 5.1) Yes, Energy does make really good speakers.

I'll tell you what, I have been roaming around looking for something other than a HTIB.

If you can set your budget at $500 and you want a 5.1, take a look at this.

Mains and surrounds
$89 x2= $178
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-Monitor-30-CHERRY-Bookshelf-Speakers-Polk-Audio-/360480527248?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item53ee505390

Center Channel
$69
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CS1-CHERRY-Center-Channel-Speaker-Polk-Audio-/390298326713?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item5adf97d6b9

Sub
$224
http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLK-AUDIO-PSW505-12-POWERED-SUBWOOFER-BLACK-SUB-NEW-/370646283960?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BUA%252BP%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BIIUM%26otn%3D7%26pmod%3D300810784832%26ps%3D54

Total $471

This would blow any HTIB (under $500)out of the water.




Also, these would be sweet and right at a $500 budget. (thanks to Stanley for pointing these out)
$247 each. Total= $494
You can get these in Cherry or Black
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EA-RTi10-Cherry-Tower-Loudspeaker-Speaker-Polk-Audio-/390490964414?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item5aeb1341be
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I have heard Energy speakers, I just have not heard that specific set ( The Energy Take 5.1) Yes, Energy does make really good speakers.
I'll tell you what, I have been roaming around looking for something other than a HTIB.
If you can set your budget at $500 and you want a 5.1, take a look at this.
Mains and surrounds
$89 x2= $178
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-Monitor-30-CHERRY-Bookshelf-Speakers-Polk-Audio-/360480527248?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item53ee505390
Center Channel
$69
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CS1-CHERRY-Center-Channel-Speaker-Polk-Audio-/390298326713?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item5adf97d6b9
Sub
$224
http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLK-AUDIO-PSW505-12-POWERED-SUBWOOFER-BLACK-SUB-NEW-/370646283960?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BUA%252BP%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BIIUM%26otn%3D7%26pmod%3D300810784832%26ps%3D54
Total $471
This would blow any HTIB (under $500)out of the water.
Also, these would be sweet and right at a $500 budget. (thanks to Stanley for pointing these out)
$247 each. Total= $494
You can get these in Cherry or Black
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EA-RTi10-Cherry-Tower-Loudspeaker-Speaker-Polk-Audio-/390490964414?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item5aeb1341be

When people refer to Energy speakers, they are usually talking about the Take ones. At least in every case I've seen here.

$500 is way over budget. The bottom one is no good either because it's a tower, and I can't fit tower speakers in the room.

Also neither option is from Amazon, so I can't apply my gift cards. Having $150 off is a big difference.
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Just a thought...if you're willing, sell your Amazon gift cards so that you won't feel restricted to buying from them. That might open up more possibilities. wink.gif

I had a similar budget for speakers after I purchased a Denon AVR-1712, but I decided that I would apply that to a pair of bookshelf speakers and then build on that. I only plan on going with a 3.1 setup max, so I can see your dilemma. It's tough limited to $300-400 for a 5.1 setup. I would rather have the "best" $300-400 front speakers I can get than a $300-400 5.1 system, but to each his own. Good luck on your HT. smile.gif

P.S. As someone already mentioned, really consider starting off with two front speakers and then building on that over time, especially if you seriously plan on upgrading the $300-400 5.1 setup you're considering. OK I said my peace, peace out.
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Just a thought...if you're willing, sell your Amazon gift cards so that you won't feel restricted to buying from them. That might open up more possibilities. wink.gif
I had a similar budget for speakers after I purchased a Denon AVR-1712, but I decided that I would apply that to a pair of bookshelf speakers and then build on that. I only plan on going with a 3.1 setup max, so I can see your dilemma. It's tough limited to $300-400 for a 5.1 setup. I would rather have the "best" $300-400 front speakers I can get than a $300-400 5.1 system, but to each his own. Good luck on your HT. smile.gif
P.S. As someone already mentioned, really consider starting off with two front speakers and then building on that over time, especially if you seriously plan on upgrading the $300-400 5.1 setup you're considering. OK I said my peace, peace out.

Pretty much what I did with two different systems, Just because I love my EMP tek system take a look at there site if you go the way of selling the gift cards, and they do have a few items on Amazon as well to look at. Other wise if that is just some thing you really don't want to do i can give a thumbs up to Martin Logan MLT-2, that isn't a not bad sounding system.

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Thanks, guys. I don't want to break the bank. I'm not an audiophile, so the Energy's or the MLT-2's may be all I want for years. I would rather spend $300-$400 on "decent" speakers that will last me rather than $300-$400 on the "best" fronts and then have to save for 6 months before I can get surrounds/sub. Why gimp my system by only using 2 out of 6 speakers (including sub)?

p3orion - $400 fronts means you only have to spend $250 or so on a sub and you're done. $400 fronts for me means I have another $650 to go before my setup is done. Eh, to each their own but I see no point in even owning an AVR in that case. Why bother spending $400-$500 on a receiver that you're not going to use? I would rather get a soundbar for $150 and use the TV speakers and you achieve almost the same thing. Again, to each their own, that's just not a choice I would make.

bitterwaste - so the MLT-2's are good? How do they stack up against the Energy's? I know the MLT-2's are actually rebranded Paradigm Cinema 90's, but I'm not familiar with how good they are. I do know many have been happy with the Energy's, though. And both are sold on Amazon. Actually all 3, but the "true" Paradigm 5.1 set is $700.

*EDIT* As an aside, I don't have the option of selling the Amazon cards because I already applied them to my account. It never even crossed my mind to do so because I've never NOT found a use for them. The reason I got them as a gift to begin with is because I shop on Amazon often.

*EDIT AGAIN* Actually I forgot about Center. So $400 now, then I'd have to buy another pair at $400, plus a center, plus a sub. So we're talking probably another $400 so $800 more on top of the $400 for $1200 total. I have absolutely no need for $1200 5.1 setup in a 16x9 living room. Again, I'm not an audiophile. I just want something that sounds nice that I can play my bluray movies and video games on. That's overkill :P
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A few others to throw into the mix are the DefTech ProCinema 60.6 and the Klipsh HD 500.

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p3orion - $400 fronts means you only have to spend $250 or so on a sub and you're done. $400 fronts for me means I have another $650 to go before my setup is done. Eh, to each their own but I see no point in even owning an AVR in that case. Why bother spending $400-$500 on a receiver that you're not going to use?

Definitely see your point. Getting the same quality 3.1 system would be quite a bit less expensive than a same quality 5.1 system.

As far as the receiver, I bought a new Denon 1712 at BB for $162 after sales tax. I couldn't pass that up. It was the last one available, shipped from their warehouse. I was very fortunate.

Whatever you decide on will be a big step-up from built in TV speakers.
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I'd go with the MLT-2 between those two. At your price range there's not much other than htib type solutions

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Jim - Thanks for the suggestions. How do those two stack up against the other two? Or are all four comparable?

p3orion - Wow, great find on the 1712! Yea, unfortunately I have not caught any great sales, but AC4L has a great price on the receivers I was looking at. I'm glad you see my point. I wasn't trying to be mean about it, just personally it's not a decision I would make. Especially because the 1913 is 7.1. I'd feel like I wasted money doing it that way. :P And yes, they would definitely be a step-up no matter which ones I get.

Uncola - Are there any other 5.1 sets that are close to that range? Or beyond the MLT-2's is it more a matter of buying separates? I'd rather buy the MLT-2's if that's the case. If I decide I've outgrown them, I can consider separates. For now, I want a one-stop solution, so to speak without going cheap. Inexpensive if I can help it, but not cheap wink.gif
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Jim - Thanks for the suggestions. How do those two stack up against the other two? Or are all four comparable?

In that price range they're probably all pretty much comparable, but I can't say for certain because I've never heard any of them. I was just tossing a few other alternatives into the mix in case you wanted some options.

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Gotcha. I appreciate it. I was hoping there would be more choices without going separates, but it looks like in my price range, that's about it. I know at least 2 of those 4 are top-rated for their class, at least. I am leaning towards the MLT-2's as that seems to be a favorite.
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Okay, to throw another monkey wrench in the mix - NewEgg has the MLT-2's on sale for $299. If I bought those and bought the 1913 on Amazon as opposed to buying it refurb from AC4L, it would cost almost the same (about $50 more) but I would have a brand new receiver and get the speakers for a decent price. Decisions, decisions!
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The Martin Logan mlt2 in one of the better satellite speaker systems. It has 4 inch drivers, but an underpowered sub. Might be okay for you small room, but you get what you pay for and if you spend 300 dollars on a 5.1, it will likely sound abit cheap and thin!

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The Martin Logan mlt2 in one of the better satellite speaker systems. It has 4 inch drivers, but an underpowered sub. Might be okay for you small room, but you get what you pay for and if you spend 300 dollars on a 5.1, it will likely sound abit cheap and thin!

I'm a little confused. So are you saying DON'T go for the MLT-2's? Honestly, I can't fit towers in this room, unfortunately. If we ever decide to redo the living room, I might, but that's an if and when kind of deal. If you mean that the MLT's are good but just have a crappy sub, I can always trade that out when I get more cash and keep the rest of them, right?
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The pdr10 that comes with the mlt2 isn't that bad. Was actually pretty good for the cost. Had it before

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The pdr10 that comes with the mlt2 isn't that bad. Was actually pretty good for the cost. Had it before

Oh, okay, good. Just when I think I've narrowed down the speaker choice, then I thought I had to rethink everything. *whew* Haha you have all been very helpful, thank you. So picking up the MLT-2's at $299 is a good idea?
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I am saying the ml mtl-2 might be as good as any "300" dollars system you will get...it won't be a full and deep sounding system! Best you can get for 300 dollars? Perhaps! However, this forum has plenty of I bought x system and now I am upgrading (me included!)...
Btw, only your opinion counts! Have you heard the Martin Logan system!?

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I am saying the ml mtl-2 might be as good as any "300" dollars system you will get...it won't be a full and deep sounding system! Best you can get for 300 dollars? Perhaps! However, this forum has plenty of I bought x system and now I am upgrading (me included!)...
Btw, only your opinion counts! Have you heard the Martin Logan system!?

Gotcha. So good for the price, but not going to sound like a more expensive setup. Sounds perfectly reasonable.

You're right - I do see an awful lot of "I had this, now I'm getting this" around here. I will probably be doing the same in the future wink.gif

And no, I haven't heard them yet. I don't know of anywhere local that carries them that I can go in and demo them. I figured I would kind of fly blind on this one and take a chance based on how many good recommendations they have.
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You might want to consider getting the refurb Denon AVR-1712 from AC4L for $269 and then that might allow you to purchase a better 5.1 setup from Amazon. Or at the very least save you some coin. I looked up the price of the 1913 on Amazon and wow, $529, that's a lot. Of all the advice I've read on AVS the one I see often is to put more money into the speakers and then buy the cheapest AVR that has all the features you want. If you don't want or need networking than you don't really need the 1913. If you don't want or need USB the same.

One other thing to point out, the 1913 does not have Audyssey MultEQ XT only Audyssey MultEQ. Audyssey MultEQ XT is a nice step up from MultEQ. A couple of years ago only the $1000 plus receivers had XT.

The XX13 receivers added many features but also lost some. Some prefer the XX12 models over the newer XX13s.

Don't let the refurb word scare you off. If I had not been able to get my 1712 from BB I would have bought it at AC4L. Many members on AVS have bought refurb Denons from AC4L.

EDIT: Noticed the 1712 from AC4L is still sold out. Slim pickings on the XX12 models.
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I'm not an audiophile but FWIW I recently decided to step into the HT world like yourself and purchased a Denon 1613 ($264 @ Crutchfield) and the Take Classics ($150 @Woot) for a room 19x12. Not from Amazon but patience may pay off for one or the other. I enjoy the set-up and have finally satisfied my 5.1 surround need. Factor in a sub as well for sure and you'll be on your way.

I haven't heard the mlt2's but as it was mentioned before they the speakers are probably very comparable overall.

Good luck with hunt.
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You might want to consider getting the refurb Denon AVR-1712 from AC4L for $269 and then that might allow you to purchase a better 5.1 setup from Amazon. Or at the very least save you some coin. I looked up the price of the 1913 on Amazon and wow, $529, that's a lot. Of all the advice I've read on AVS the one I see often is to put more money into the speakers and then buy the cheapest AVR that has all the features you want. If you don't want or need networking than you don't really need the 1913. If you don't want or need USB the same.
One other thing to point out, the 1913 does not have Audyssey MultEQ XT only Audyssey MultEQ. Audyssey MultEQ XT is a nice step up from MultEQ. A couple of years ago only the $1000 plus receivers had XT.
The XX13 receivers added many features but also lost some. Some prefer the XX12 models over the newer XX13s.
Don't let the refurb word scare you off. If I had not been able to get my 1712 from BB I would have bought it at AC4L. Many members on AVS have bought refurb Denons from AC4L.
EDIT: Noticed the 1712 from AC4L is still sold out. Slim pickings on the XX12 models.

I don't like the xx12 series. I want the 1913 because it has 7.1, video upsampling (that's very good from what I understand), networking, and a bunch of other features I'm looking for. You're right - everyone here says to go with the cheapest receiver that has the features you want - the 1913 is it. ACL has it for $379 refurb. I was seriously considering picking it up there and then picking up the Energy Take 5's or MTL-2's from Amazon. With the $150 gift cards I have, it would be $630 bucks or so. If I go with the MTL-2's, NewEgg has them on sale for $299. If I buy them there and then get the 1913 brand new at Amazon, minus my $150, it winds up being like $675 or something. So in other words, for an extra $50 I get a brand new 1913. That's worth the small difference in price.

I understand you think I should get better speakers, but why would I get a receiver I don't want just to get good speakers? The speakers are the easiest to upgrade, so realistically spending more on the receiver makes more sense at first, then upgrade the speakers (and spend more on them) when you have the money to upgrade. This way you get both a receiver you want, AND the speakers you want. If you have to get cheaper speakers to get by on before you can afford the ones you really want (because you SHOULD be spending more money on them) then that's all the better because you can still use the great receiver you went with. Follow my logic on that?
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I'm not an audiophile but FWIW I recently decided to step into the HT world like yourself and purchased a Denon 1613 ($264 @ Crutchfield) and the Take Classics ($150 @Woot) for a room 19x12. Not from Amazon but patience may pay off for one or the other. I enjoy the set-up and have finally satisfied my 5.1 surround need. Factor in a sub as well for sure and you'll be on your way.
I haven't heard the mlt2's but as it was mentioned before they the speakers are probably very comparable overall.
Good luck with hunt.

Congrats on getting the Take's for so cheap. That's a good deal. Hopefully I will be joining you in the near future in being able to enjoy a new HT system biggrin.gif
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DJLittleMike, did you consider contacting Amazon to see if they would let you put the $150 back onto gift cards so that you could sell them? Give them some b.s. that you want to give them to a family member as a gift. Who knows, might work. It's some effort and time, but I know I'd try.

As much as I like Amazon, and do a lot of business with them, I don't like the idea of someone paying more if they don't have to. After all AVS is all about helping each other out.
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DJLittleMike, did you consider contacting Amazon to see if they would let you put the $150 back onto gift cards so that you could sell them? Give them some b.s. that you want to give them to a family member as a gift. Who knows, might work. It's some effort and time, but I know I'd try.
As much as I like Amazon, and do a lot of business with them, I don't like the idea of someone paying more if they don't have to. After all AVS is all about helping each other out.

Here are the numbers in all possible combinations of stores:

Buying the 1913:
AC4L - 379
Amazon - 529 (or 379 with the gift cards)

Buying the Energy's:
399 everywhere

Buying the MLT-2's:
Amazon - 379 (or 229 with the gift cards)
NewEgg - 299

The cheapest option is the MLT-2's. So Let's say I buy them at NewEgg. That's 299. For the 1913, let's say I buy it at AC4L, that's 379. Together, that's $628.

The other option is one or both at Amazon. So let's say I go with AC4L for the 1913. That's 379. Then I buy the MLT2's at Amazon. That's 379 - 150 = 229.
379 (AVR) + 229 (MLT2's) = 608. You can argue that it is a worse deal doing it that way because I'll be getting a refurb 1913. For $20 more, I get a brand new 1913 and the same speakers.

Having an extra $150 isn't going to change the price on anything so I'll be spending the same amount of money. The only thing it would do is give me a bigger budget on speakers. So let's take the cheapest combination and add on $150 to the budget:

1913 at AC4L - $379
Cheapest price on the AC4L - $299
Sell the gift cards for $150 - +$150
Speaker budget is now $449

What am I going to get in a 5.1 setup for $449? Either MLT2's or Energy Takes because the only other option is to go separates and as we already figured out, that's going to be over $600 (lowballing it here at $100 a speaker) which puts it over budget. Let's say bookshelf speakers are *minimum* $200/pair. That's 2 fronts 2 surrounds = $400. Then a center, let's go with $150. Now we're up to $550 and I still haven't even bought a sub.

The point is, as much as I appreciate your help, the extra $150 does not allow me to get anything better in a 5.1 setup. If I want to get a kickass set of just fronts and nothing else, sure, $449 will get me that, but that defeats the whole purpose of buying the AVR to begin with, like I said earlier.
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Your missing the point I believe. Since you want instant gratification your choices are obviously limited. You should peice the system together.

I agree with you buying the receiver you want up front. But you are making a mitsake by buying all at once for speakers. It is not a waste for a receiver if it is future proof.

You will want a better sub no doubt so you'll have to buy that. The surround speakers are not very important in the grand scheme of things. Buy a better 3.1 system then buy very cheap non matching surrounds if it makes you feel you are "using" your receiver. Then buy matching surrounds when you can.

Also you are not getting the full benefit if you gift cards with the scenarios you mentioned so you would be better off selling them

Just my two cents. Good luck. But you seem like your mind is made up regardless of the advice given here. smile.gif

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Here are the numbers in all possible combinations of stores:
Buying the 1913:
AC4L - 379
Amazon - 529 (or 379 with the gift cards)
Buying the Energy's:
399 everywhere
Buying the MLT-2's:
Amazon - 379 (or 229 with the gift cards)
NewEgg - 299
The cheapest option is the MLT-2's. So Let's say I buy them at NewEgg. That's 299. For the 1913, let's say I buy it at AC4L, that's 379. Together, that's $628.
The other option is one or both at Amazon. So let's say I go with AC4L for the 1913. That's 379. Then I buy the MLT2's at Amazon. That's 379 - 150 = 229.
379 (AVR) + 229 (MLT2's) = 608. You can argue that it is a worse deal doing it that way because I'll be getting a refurb 1913. For $20 more, I get a brand new 1913 and the same speakers.
Having an extra $150 isn't going to change the price on anything so I'll be spending the same amount of money. The only thing it would do is give me a bigger budget on speakers. So let's take the cheapest combination and add on $150 to the budget:
1913 at AC4L - $379
Cheapest price on the AC4L - $299
Sell the gift cards for $150 - +$150
Speaker budget is now $449
What am I going to get in a 5.1 setup for $449? Either MLT2's or Energy Takes because the only other option is to go separates and as we already figured out, that's going to be over $600 (lowballing it here at $100 a speaker) which puts it over budget. Let's say bookshelf speakers are *minimum* $200/pair. That's 2 fronts 2 surrounds = $400. Then a center, let's go with $150. Now we're up to $550 and I still haven't even bought a sub.
The point is, as much as I appreciate your help, the extra $150 does not allow me to get anything better in a 5.1 setup. If I want to get a kickass set of just fronts and nothing else, sure, $449 will get me that, but that defeats the whole purpose of buying the AVR to begin with, like I said earlier.

I already gave you a very good 5.1 Polk system for $471.
4- Monitor 30's a CS1 Center and a PSW505 sub. It wasnt from Amazon so you disregarded it. If you can sell your gift cards, that would be a good option and be $22 over budget.
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