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post #1 of 11 Old 12-28-2012, 07:15 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi All:

About 3 years ago I invested in a 5.1 system. My budget was $500 bucks total. I went with Fluance speakers and a velodyne vx-10B. I grabbed a Yamaha RX-V559 receiver as well.

I fiddled and fiddled with the setup when I first got it ...I could NOT get it to sound decent. No surround sound hardly at all. Very muddled explosions etc.

Fast forward 3 years and I graduated from a mid-tier Sony LCD and got a Panny 65VT50. Now the problems with my HT is even more obvious. It is pretty sad when the TV surround sound and speakers sound better than the receiver and 5.1 Home Theater.

I went back to trying to goof with speaker placement and the receiver but have had no luck.

I am really stuck here... Do I upgrade my front sound stage (Center - L/R towers), Do I buy a decent receiver like the Denon 1713 or do I go for a better Sub-Woofer?

From what I read getting a decent set of front speakers is my best bet? However, I have also read that MultEQ XT may solve allot of my "problems"?

HELP!
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If your TV sounds better than your home theater then your speakers must be pretty bad.

Biggest sound improvement will come from better speakers. If you got the whole system for $500 how big are the Fluance speakers? Satellites?

Audyssey MultEQ XT may help quite a bit too.

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His Yamaha RX-V559 can do Dolby Digital and DTS so even though its not TrueHD and DTS-MA it'll still sound very good.

I just can't see how his slim flat panel TV sounds better than his home theater system. Speakers on flat panel TV's are pretty bad.

How big is the room?

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Not sure which fluance speaker set you have...but they get decent review in the "bang for the buck" category! Something is wrong with your set up, I am guessing.
As afrogt asked, have u run room correction?

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His current Yamaha receiver doesn't have room calibration, he's looking at getting a receiver that does.

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I do not really use room calibration - however, it may help you.
One thing for sure, I would replace that subwoofer.

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Room is medium small at 22 foot long and 14 feet wide. It has some sound problems for sure with glass slider on left and hallway / large open kitchen to right.

I ran the calibration (as it is) from the Yamaha...it basically just asks the size of front speakers and how far they are from where you sit.

Here are the specs on the Fluance... From everything I read they rate slightly higher than the JAMO set...so better than 95% of the HTIB but fairly low quality over all.

I am seeing mixed advice... Go for better front sound stage or better receiver.

The TV I bought is the top of the line Panny so does way better than most TV's but I agree it shouldn't sound better than my surround sound package. There are a couple modes I think the surround sound is better...but it should be no contest at all.

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Dimensions: 38.8 X 7.8 X 13.0 inches (H x W x D)
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what is the gauge of the speaker wire you are connecting the speakers to the receiver with?
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RCA AH16100SN 100 Ft. 16-Gauge Speaker Wire

From what I know understand RCA is NOT 100% copper either..just copper coated. My runs are not longer than 14 feet though...

I have been looking at this too... Could it be as simple as crappy wire?
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How did it sound when you first bought the unit?
Did you move? It could be your acoustics, or (for some of us) if you're an audiophile, overtime, your ears adapt to the sound, then you hear a better system elsewhere and you never look back.
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It always sounded...bad. I have never moved with this system.

I just wanted to replicate the surround sound of the cheap speakers in a speaker room at a big box store. I figured that can't be hard. Heck the Bose speakers sounded ....amazing at the store.

I bought the sub on allot of reviews...but now with a little more knowledgable eye...how can anyone recommend that sub with the terrible frequency reproduction at the lower end? The wireless Sony sub has better stats on paper at least...

To "feel" the lows I have to set my cross over lower...which muddles everything.

I am hearing that everything needs to go on my system...but what is best first? Speakers, Sub or Receiver?
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