Originally Posted by D Bone
I also have towers on either side of my 60" TV, much like your setup, and they combine to produce dialog that has a ton of depth and sounds just like the actors are in my room, the whole while you would swear that the sound is coming from the TV screen somehow.
I haven't looked back one time since going without a CC.
Great to hear D. So I played with center/no center yesterday and you know what I was pleasantly surprised how no center/phantom center sounded vs with my current IL25c. I turned center OFF on NAD AVR, set Speakers as SMALL with crossover at 100hz on AVR for the Subs that are on my IL50s L & R speakers, set distance at 11ft for L & R and 12ft for Surrounds. The voices were obviously not as loud but not bad compared to having a center with +12db setting and L & R at +9db setting on the AVR but yea, the voices were right in the middle of the TV, very nice, watching Jurassic World in DTS through Plex app from Plex Server wqas very nice and the sounds were moving just fine from L to R as dinosaurs moved and growled, this is something to really think about. But when I put the center back in play as SMALL with other setting same and door opened, the sound was practicaly not boxy with crossover at 100hz and obviously the impacts of the effects and voice/convos were louder but not as imaged in the middle of the TV like with phantom center, they were coming from under the TV or its my mind then playing tricks on me. Very nice surprise with phantom as option, I have to watch a few movies and see.
Originally Posted by wvu80
Why is the TV mounted so low?
My suggestion is to get it UP, then get the best center speaker you can find to put on top of your console, under the TV. You really don't need the tweeters "in-line" either. I like my sound stage better when the speakers are not lined up like that. Likewise, timbre matching" is overrated, IMO.
There is no such thing as a "phantom" center, that's just a misnomer for pair of speakers which image really well. The issue isn't "center" vs "no-center" but poorly placed center vs properly placed center.
Actually TV is a bit higher than it should be already, since its a tad tilted hanging on the wall it makes it OK to be eye level otherwise its a few inches (3-4) higher than eye level being in the middle of the TV for perfect height. The TV console is 26in high and TV hangs 3in higher. So putting it higher would be way higher than eye level. The issue with shelves I looked that are 17-19in high, like the one I had is that they are either not deep enough to put my NAD AVR in it or they are too minimalistic like the one I had and have a lot of open air and not too much enclosure to hide all the wires and equipment behind tinted glass like I have now and always wanted so that was the best for me shelf that I was able to find to fit all this, just didn't account the CC sounded boxy and muted behind that door even though it was designed to have CC speaker behind it, live and learn. so for it being a living room and all this clean look is what I had in mind, but yea if the shelf was deep enough and low enough to put a center channel right on top of it and below the TV would be optimal but would not look as nice and clean in the living room in my opinion as it looks now, talking about sacrifices.
Originally Posted by D Bone
Not when you live in a home with other people and you need to respect their requests regarding system placement. If you live by yourself or are lucky enough to have a dedicated HT room, then yea, you do what you need to do to get the entire system properly placed.
I have to agree, wife makes the rules in my home as far as decorating, had to this look VS optimizing it for HT where I can place my old CC where it belongs. As I said before, the best CC sound I had was when I had my old CC IL36c on the top of the projection TV that was my first HD TV when they came out where the top of the TV was a huge shelf and the whole TV was a big standing box and I had my CC pointing down a bit towards eye level using that adjustment thing in the back of the CC that is built in just for that.