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I am looking for a 5.1 setup for a smallish room mostly for use with movies. The speakers have to be on the smaller side and the sub has to be small as well due to various reasons. I think I have narrowed down it down to the above 2 packages. The Procinema is on the higher end of my budget.

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Is the Procinema 600 much better than Energy Take Classic?

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They're all small sat systems so they're more alike than different. If you want to save money you might want to look at the Pro Cinema 60 too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882325104

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These small "toy" systems are going to end up in the junk pile in the garage within a year, and the money will be 100% wasted! Almost no one likes them once they have to live with them.

Those things have such tiny front speakers that they are physically incapable of decent sound quality or quantity. The things they laughably call "subwoofers" are no more a "subwoofer" than the speaker in a motel clock radio...lol.

People write in here almost every week bemoaning their purchase of that Take system, and wanting to upgrade to something decent. The Procinema is just as bad.

The Martin-Logan MLT-2 system is relatively small, you has much better front speakers and a better subwoofer. You would be well-advised to consider it.

It is selling for under $400, and is a bargain compared to many less capable systems that sell for the same or even much more money.
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With small speakers come small sound; however, for me the Pro Cin 60 I picked up for Christmas is a big improvement over the HTiB I was running. I’m limited with space too so I needed small sat speakers and looked at the Classics, MLT-2 and the Pro Cin 600 & 60. I was able to listen to the DefTech Pro Monitor 800s in Magnolia and was really impressed with the sound and build quality so I narrowed it down to the Def Techs. I couldn’t justify spending the $800 on the 600s so I settled on a blind buy of the 60s. Newegg generally runs them from $200-$300. For the cost and what my needs were (general family room) I’m really enjoying them and after running Audyssey they’re even better. The sub is small/weak compared to others, but again for my current needs it does what I want it to do.

Also, if I move in the next few years and have the space for a 7.1 set up I’ll use these as the side/rear surrounds and upgrade the L/C/R and sub…

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Jesus the Take Fives shure get a bad rep here. For the record i don't think they are that bad. For the money it's a good package, shure you can do better, but a lot of people have bought it and are more than happy with it. Depends on what your expectations are.
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These small "toy" systems are going to end up in the junk pile in the garage within a year, and the money will be 100% wasted! Almost no one likes them once they have to live with them.

Those things have such tiny front speakers that they are physically incapable of decent sound quality or quantity. The things they laughably call "subwoofers" are no more a "subwoofer" than the speaker in a motel clock radio...lol.

People write in here almost every week bemoaning their purchase of that Take system, and wanting to upgrade to something decent. The Procinema is just as bad.

The Martin-Logan MLT-2 system is relatively small, you has much better front speakers and a better subwoofer. You would be well-advised to consider it.

It is selling for under $400, and is a bargain compared to many less capable systems that sell for the same or even much more money.

I understand. Unfortunately, I am moving to a condo in a big city. The living room will be fairly small and therefore a large sub with bookshelf speakers won't fly smile.gif.
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The things they laughably call "subwoofers" are no more a "subwoofer" than the speaker in a motel clock radio...lol.

Sorry, but I've never seen or heard a 8" motel clock radio speaker. A slight exaggeration on your part one might say? wink.gif I guarantee that even my tiny RC Micro setup with sub sounds way better than any clock radio.

These systems are fine for a small room but if you're expecting big home theater sound then you do need larger speakers. While I haven't heard the MLT-2 system in person the fact that it does have a 4.5" driver vs the 3" or 3.25" drivers in the Energy and Pro Cinema systems should give it a sonic advantage. The reviews have been good for the MLT-2.

Right now the MLT-2 is $275 at Newegg.com after $25 promo discount so maybe you should jump on that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882981013

As long as you have modest expectations for these satellite systems you'll be fine. None will sound as full as a good setup with bookshelf speakers though.

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Like i said, depends on your expectations. Room size. And budget.
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Jesus the Take Fives shure get a bad rep here. For the record i don't think they are that bad. For the money it's a good package, shure you can do better, but a lot of people have bought it and are more than happy with it. Depends on what your expectations are.

Actually the Take Classics have a very good rep on AVSforum. Its just that people keep thinking they're going to outshine a larger bookshelf or tower system and they can't. You cannot deny the laws of physics. People that want to put them in a large room are going be sorely disappointed. They're gonna sound thin.

I bought the original Energy Take 5 system back around 2000 and used them as a bedroom system for 4-5 years. They sounded good to me and I could crank them pretty loud when watching movies. They were never great for music but acceptable. I've had friends buy the Take 5.2 and Take Classics years later. They're all pretty much the same.

But once I put a pair of Athena bookshelf speakers in my room I noticed a HUGE difference in sound quality. Then got some Athena F1 towers to pair with the bookshelf speakers. I loaded up on more Athena when Best Buy was clearing them out. Eventually had enough Athenas for two 5.0 systems. I boxed up my Takes for 5 years and sold them on Craigslist in 2010 for $200 after being listed for 4 hours which is what I originally paid for them. So good for me.

I was offered some Jamo towers at a great price and then sold all my Athena speakers on CL. I demoed the speakers for prospective buyers and they were impressed which enabled them to be sold quickly and easily. So the Jamos are in my main room and I purchased Energy RC-10 and LCR speakers for my bedroom setup. Very happy with those.

I recently got the RC Micro 5.0 for $60 from TigerDirect. Just too good a deal to pass up even though I didn't need them. Currently they're in my office but eventually will go to my father's house probably in my old bedroom. Not much difference than the Takes just smaller. They can't compare to the 1990's Energy Encore bookshelf and RVSS surrounds I have in the office but I figured I try them for a couple weeks before I go see my father. Micros are fine for a small room but not good enough for a main setup. Would be fine as surround speakers though if you have bigger speakers up front.

So those little satellites are good for what they are but one must limit their expectations unless they've never had a home theater setup before. Then they'll think they're great.

If you've only got $300 and want a small 5.1 setup then the Takes, MLT-2 or Pro Cinema will probably meet your needs.

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Are there any bookshelves that are on the smaller side and come with a smaller sub. I imagine, I could swing a decent size 3.1 setup and have smaller satellites for the surround. Again my budget would ~$750.
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Are there any bookshelves that are on the smaller side and come with a smaller sub. I imagine, I could swing a decent size 3.1 setup and have smaller satellites for the surround. Again my budget would ~$750.

A good one - Cambridge Audio S30
http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Audio-Speakers-Dark-Pair/dp/B004NDN9NK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357851101&sr=1-1&keywords=cambridge+audio+s30

Center
http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Audio-Sirocco-Channel-Speaker/dp/B004UEMGFO/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357851001&sr=1-3&keywords=cambridge+audio+s50

Small sub - HSU
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html

Acoustic Energy
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In my experience with micro satellites (I used to have Mirage Nanosats in my secondary HT), they were decent for movies/TV, but absolutely abysmal for music. As someone who listens to a lot of music, that was a pretty big negative for me.
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Yes for 3.1 setup look at the Cambridge Audio S30 and S50 center. They're much better than satellite speakers. Will cost you about $420 for the 3 speakers which leaves you $330 for a small subwoofer.

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http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CAS30&variation=DKOAK
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CAS50&variation=DKOAK

Black
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CAS30&variation=BLK
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CAS50&variation=BLK

Crutchfield and Amazon also sell them for the same price.

How big of a subwoofer can you get? What dimensions? According to the Subwoofer forum folks this Outlaw LFM8 is one of the better 8" subs.
http://outlawaudio.com/products/m8.html

Like the AE sub recommended by Zieglj01 above too.

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Actually the Take Classics have a very good rep on AVSforum. Its just that people keep thinking they're going to outshine a larger bookshelf or tower system and they can't. You cannot deny the laws of physics. People that want to put them in a large room are going be sorely disappointed.
I agree the Takes are quite good for what they are and if you have a small space you would be very pleased with them. In fact so good I too bought the 5.0 micro set recently for $60 because it was just too good to pass up. I didn't need them and they are still in the box, but I plan on putting them in my sons room with my old takes in my other sons room.

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