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Make sure it will work with 6 ohm speakers. Should. But ask if it works with the Pioneers that they carry.

It's definitely not that the Lepai is incompatible with the Pioneers. Many people have reported using them successfully together. If it is a broken speaker, unlikely it would be both (possible, but much less likely). Have you tried running one speaker with the Lepai? Then the other?

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One other suggestion. Take your iPhone and the RCA cable you have, and "shop" for receivers at BestBuy with it. Test it out. Just to make certain that it's not the iPhone jack or the cable.

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do you think i can take the speakers to best buy and ask them to hook them up to one of the display receivers? just to test them out
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Not unless you bought them there.

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so it turns out Newegg had sent me defective speakers. Replaced them with Pioneer BS22. Also got rid of the lepai amp and got an Onkyo 509. Very pleased with the sound overall.

I'm looking to buy Sony SS-F6000. I'll use these as the fronts and move the pio to surr back. Would this be possible because the speakers are different brands? I know there will be tonal differences which I doubt my noob ears will notice. Sony-SS-F6000 are on sale till Thursday so any input before that is greatly appreciated.

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Not as big a deal for the surrounds to match the front. However, the problem with the sonys is that there is no matching center channel if you want to run 5.1. Sony does not make one. Either using the same exact speaker as the left/right or a center created to match it in the same speaker model series is important for timbre match for a good front sound stage.

What do you hope to get from the Sonys that you are not getting from the Pioneers? By all counts, the Pioneers are a better speaker in terms of overall SQ.
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so it turns out Newegg had sent me defective speakers. Replaced them with Pioneer BS22. Also got rid of the lepai amp and got an Onkyo 509. Very pleased with the sound overall.

I'm looking to buy Sony SS-F6000. I'll use these as the fronts and move the pio to surr back. Would this be possible because the speakers are different brands? I know there will be tonal differences which I doubt my noob ears will notice. Sony-SS-F6000 are on sale till Thursday so any input before that is greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Have you thought about completing the Andrew Jones Pioneer system and buying the towers and center to accompany your current bookshelves?

I've heard the Andrew Jones complete set and was very impressed for the price. When Amazon is running them on sale, you can get the towers for about $100 each and the center for $90 if I remember right. At their price point, you'd be hard pressed to beat them. Best Buy carries them, and if you wait until Amazon has them on sale, you can have them price matched so you'll pay Amazon pricing + tax, but be able to return them if they aren't what you were hoping for.
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Have you thought about completing the Andrew Jones Pioneer system and buying the towers and center to accompany your current bookshelves?

I've heard the Andrew Jones complete set and was very impressed for the price. When Amazon is running them on sale, you can get the towers for about $100 each and the center for $90 if I remember right. At their price point, you'd be hard pressed to beat them. Best Buy carries them, and if you wait until Amazon has them on sale, you can have them price matched so you'll pay Amazon pricing + tax, but be able to return them if they aren't what you were hoping for.

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This is a great strategy, even if you have to wait a while. If you are itching to buy something right now, get the center. Then wait for the towers to go sale.

Or go ahead and get you a sub. You might find that you don't need towers because of the bass the sub provides, and the towers can never make up for the low bass coming from a sub. Newegg has the JBL SUB150P on sale for $150 after promo code EMCXVWL99 (sale ends tomorrow). That would be a great sub to use with the Pioneers.
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Thanks for the input guys. Since matching the fronts is more important than matching the surrounds I went ahead and got the pioneer center channel from the same pioneer bs22 line. Wow....what a difference it, not that it was bad with just the bookshelfs but now I can actually hear the dialogue better and clearer than before.

Amazon wouldn't just adjust the price so I had send the fronts back. Using the center alone, would it hurt the receiver or the center? A new set of fronts should be arriving in a few days.

How important is to get the matching surrounds? From what I've read the surrounds are only for the effects so they're not being used all the time. Can I just get these Dual? Would these be horrible? These are 86dB and pioneer bs22 are 85dB


and this is a question for the Onkyo 509 which I posted in the owners thread but maybe you guys know the answer....

Is there anyway I can play music through the receiver while playing video games. Sometimes I just mute the game while playing and listen to music. When I try to do this, it just switches the mode. Is it possible to play games and listen to music at the same time not using zone 2.

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No. It won't hurt to use the center to use it without the other speakers.

Matching surrounds are not nearly as important as matching the front three. Sure, there is some benefit from it, particularly people notice it with 5.1 music listening.

However, I would guess that those Duals are not nearly the quality speakers that the Pioneers are. So I think you would benefit from waiting until you can get the Pioneers instead.

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I'll wait till the pio go on sale. I'm currently looking for a second set of bookshelf speakers...was wondering if $50 is a good price for a pair of workinh Boston Acoustic A40 ?
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I actually just did the comparison over the last few days.c
 
 
 
Dayton B652 VS Monoprice 8250 (3 inches away from the wall)
Laptop with Behringer UCA202 USB DAC
Speakers are powered by a Sony STR-DH130 (which at $75 refurbished on Newegg has worked out great)
No Sub is being used during any testing.
 
The Heavy – Short Change hero
Monoprice are much louder in the lower mid-range, not muddy but hallow sounding. Almost like its been ported to give a false idea of not needing a sub. All the bass notes seem to sound the same. Not a good start to the listening tests. Gunrzerking the Monoprices almost seems like a good idea.
 
Blue Man Group - PVC IV
The Monoprice actually sounded very good during the first 2 minutes of the song when its just the PVC pipes being played. Very similar to the Dayton in most respects. Again there is an increase in volume, probably from being slightly more efficient and ported. Makes me think that the driver itself isn't total garbage, but that box size and random porting isn't helping anything As the song gets musically more complicated as does the speakers character start to lessen. The mid-range one the Monoprice really seemed to drown out much of the higher registers of the electric guitar and remained hallow sounding.
 
Collective Soul – Precious Declaration
Again the Monoprice doesn't sound bad during the intro of the song, louder and noticeably different. I felt like there was better stereo separation on the daytons. After some repeated listening it sounded like the Monoprice didn't handle the heavy distortion on the guitar all the way.
 
Metallica - S&M Ecstasy of Gold
First thing I noticed is the horns in the intro sounded very similar. When trying to focus in on the horn, to my ears they were almost identical. Still the preserved increased volume from mid-range were still very clearly there. This maybe a song where the random port isn't too terrible, and gives the intro a rather pleasant sound. Particularly form the 2:00 to the end of the track. Strangely I may have preferred to Monoprice on this track. I think this is due the nature of the track itself and due to the Monoprice seeming to little fuller louder low end possibly because its ported.
 
Metallica S&M – Fuel
Immediately the Monoprices hollow and loud mid-range becomes apparent. James Hetfields lyrics are WAY in front of the rest of the music and in general sounds confused. Almost every other instrument seems to sit way behind the overall shallow sounding peak in the mid-range. Some noticeable issues with stereo separation.
 
Anberlin – Feel Good Drag Remix
Again notice some remarkable similarities to the high hat. Possibly the tweeters in each speaker are rather similar. Monoprice is again perceptively louder, probably to the porting. Another song that the Monoprices handled pretty well for the most part.
 
Anberlin – Feel Good Drag original
Vocals again stomp on on the rest of the music on the Monoprices. The generic Drop D electric is also way to pronounced through the Monoprice. I'm beginning to notice that I'm having a hard time getting sense for any specific tweeter distortion. I'm not sure, if its because of the driver or because the mid-range is so much louder that it is just over powering it. Though I am also playing at pretty moderate volumes.
 
Huey Lewis and the News – Power of love
Monoprice are holding their own again. Vocals are a little forward but not terribly so. Still a little on the hollow sounding side of things and not as crisp or controlled sounding as the Daytons, but still enjoyable despite the clear differences.. Attributing this to another not overly complicated song where a much of the music benefiting from the random porting.
 
Andrea Bocelli – The Power of love
Monoprice sound different but not necessarily better or worse than the Dayton.. Primarily a vocal track with some light synth pop backing. Probably not so much as playing to the strengths of the Monoprice but avoiding its weaknesses. The Monoprices are significantly louder and More full sounding as a result form the porting and midrange peak. I couldn’t detect any significant changes in the tonal quality of Bocelli's voice.
 
Daft Punk – Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
Daytons sound pretty good. A little lacking in the low end but nothing a sub wont cure. Monoprices immediately sound hallow, almost like listening though a tunnel. The first time the Monoprices very clearly sounded bad.
 
Justin Bieber – Boyfriend
I know I know I know, shut up. The lower bass sounded clean a tight on the Daytons, not distracting or insufficient. The Monoprice however just dogged it on the bass. Even ported, it didn't seem as low as the Daytons could go. Louder maybe, hollow and sloppy for sure. As far as the a what the Canadian douche bag actually sounds like, vocals were louder and are again well in front of the higher resisters, with the sloppy bass right behind that. Tonally it wasn't too terribly different than Daytons, it sounded like Bieber for better or worse.
 
Muse – Knights of Cydonia
At this point in time my ears and brain are starting to get fatigued with trying to listen critically and not for fun and enjoyment. Monoprices seem to be really inflating some of the echo in the track. During the vocal break down @ 3:20 the Monoprices seem to handle it just fine and equally enjoyable to the Daytons. I feel like I'm hearing a trend, that pure male vocals seem to sound ok. But once the music become full or complicated the vocals sit way to in font and on top of them.
 
THE VERDICT 
 
Overall the Daytons are still very much the winner. They don't seem to possess the artificially strong mid-range, they seem to image slightly better, stereo separation is better. The Monoprices do seem to be louder, probably do to the porting and some level of increased efficiency. I didn't do any high volume listening, but I believe the Daytons will get louder and sound better, the bump in the mid-range the Monoprices have I think will only get more noticeable as the volume goes up. Some song the Monoprice's handled very well, I can only attribute that to accident. I would like to listen to some EDM and Trance to get a comparison, I think that maybe some of the short comings might be less noticeable in different genres of music.
 
 If you really needed a cheap garage speaker the Monoprices wouldn't be bad, they will probably be louder and with vocals seeming to be a up font, sometimes boarderlining on overwhelming maybe they will cut through your band-saw and angle grinder better than others. But if you are making a budget 2.1 system the Daytons win hands down.
 
I'd also be curious to see what would happen if you switched the Monoprice tweeter into the Dayton. Form the little I could hear out of it, when not drowned out by the mid-range it seemed to be as good as the Daytons. Sealing up that port or making cheap skate frankinspeaker might be fun.
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i tried using these cables. also tried a couple of different power supplies.


lets say I leave the dial at 10 oclock and turn up the volume from my iphone, it starts to make a clicking noise and the volume goes in and out. the volume is low as in you literally have to be a foot away at most to be able to hear anything.

i'm using this 16 gauge wire

I realize that this thread is over a year old, and you did reference trying different power supplies.

I just wanted to expand upon your comment for anyone else reading this thread.

"They say" that replacing the default power supply of the Lepai 2020+ with a larger power supply, say a 12V 6A power supply, will really help bring out the music in the Lepai.
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