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after having both imho

the veritas 6.3 blows away rc 70s... i was so disappointed in the sound produced from rc 70 s i took all 5 of them back..
the energy forum people think its way better not even close... they should really sell there rc 10 and get some v 6.3
imho.. how can so many be so wrong.. like buffalo following the heard over the cliff....

i had some veritas 6.3 before but they started smoking after i had em for 2 weeks... might have been the denon
avr 3313 ci that cause the problem was very hot..

i had to waite to get my v 6.3 back so i thought i would try the rc 70 on a brand new denon 3313 ci.. wow what disappointment
sound was so dead and the treble was awful.. taj mahal sounded like bees when playing a harmonica...

the v 6.3 is a way way better speaker night and day... just going to add an external amp from emotiva so i have some extra power
to drive em... to give me some of that so called

sonic nirvana

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Glad you're happy with your decision. Congrats!

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yes my ears are very happy and so is my wallet smile.gif would have to spend alot more in Canada to get a better sound....

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Both are great speakers but the veritas suit you better for your music listening preference.smile.gif


enjoy the veritas.

i really disagree with that statement... rc70 dont come close to the sound quality of the veritas.... you only have to pay a bit more for 10 fold the sound quality imho...

rc 70 make good fire wood in my opinion...

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Audio is all preferences bud. Some may like the RCs and some may like the Veritas. Some like B&W and some like Klipsch.
All that matters is that you're happy with what you picked.

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Both are great speakers but the veritas suit you better for your music listening preference.smile.gif


enjoy the veritas.

i really disagree with that statement... rc70 dont come close to the sound quality of the veritas.... you only have to pay a bit more for 10 fold the sound quality imho...

rc 70 make good fire wood in my opinion...

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we are talking about speakers with the same drivers also same crossover components they are on the same quality category but with different sound characteristic, The veritas best suits you for your music listening preference.


You really need to learn the sound definitions before making a statement that the RC is garbage speaker.

here is a list and also a link http://www.hifivision.com/articles-guides/7452-cheat-sheet-terms-used-oddiophiles.html

Airy: Spacious. Open. Instruments sound like they are surrounded by a large reflective space full of air. Good reproduction of high-frequency reflections. High-frequency response extends to 15 or 20 kHz.
Bassy: Emphasized low frequencies below about 200 Hz.
Blanketed: Weak highs, as if a blanket were put over the speakers.
Bloated: Excessive mid-bass around 250 Hz. Poorly damped low frequencies, low-frequency resonances. See tubby.
Blurred: Poor transient response. Vague stereo imaging, not focused.
Boomy: Excessive bass around 125 Hz. Poorly damped low frequencies or low-frequency resonances.
Boxy: Having resonances as if the music were enclosed in a box. Sometimes an emphasis around 250 to 500 Hz.
Breathy: Audible breath sounds in woodwinds and reeds such as flute or sax. Good response in the upper-mids or highs.
Bright: High-frequency emphasis. Harmonics are strong relative to fundamentals.
Chesty: The vocalist sounds like their chest is too big. A bump in the low-frequency response around 125 to 250 Hz.
Clear: See Transparent.
Colored: Having timbres that are not true to life. Non-flat response, peaks or dips.
Crisp: Extended high-frequency response, especially with cymbals.
Dark: Opposite of bright. Weak high frequencies.
Delicate: High frequencies extending to 15 or 20 kHz without peaks.
Depth: A sense of distance (near to far) of different instruments.
Detailed: Easy to hear tiny details in the music; articulate. Adequate high-frequency response, sharp transient response.
Dull: See dark.
Edgy: Too much high frequencies. Trebly. Harmonics are too strong relative to the fundamentals. Distorted, having unwanted harmonics that add an edge or raspiness.
Fat: See Full and Warm. Or, spatially diffuse - a sound is panned to one channel, delayed, and then the delayed sound is panned to the other channel. Or, slightly distorted with analog tape distortion or tube distortion.
Full: Strong fundamentals relative to harmonics. Good low-frequency response, not necessarily extended, but with adequate level around 100 to 300 Hz. Male voices are full around 125 Hz; female voices and violins are full around 250 Hz; sax is full around 250 to 400 Hz. Opposite of thin.
Gentle: Opposite of edgy. The harmonics - highs and upper mids - are not exaggerated, or may even be weak.
Grainy: The music sounds like it is segmented into little grains, rather than flowing in one continuous piece. Not liquid or fluid. Suffering from harmonic or I.M. distortion. Some early A/D converters sounded grainy, as do current ones of inferior design. Powdery is finer than grainy.
Grungy: Lots of harmonic or I.M. distortion.
Hard: Too much upper midrange, usually around 3 kHz. Or, good transient response, as if the sound is hitting you hard.
Harsh: Too much upper midrange. Peaks in the frequency response between 2 and 6 kHz. Or, excessive phase shift in a digital recorder's lowpass filter.
Honky: Like cupping your hands around your mouth. A bump in the response around 500 to 700 Hz.
Mellow: Reduced high frequencies, not edgy.
Muddy: Not clear. Weak harmonics, smeared time response, I.M. distortion.
Muffled: Sounds like it is covered with a blanket. Weak highs or weak upper mids.
Nasal: Honky, a bump in the response around 600 Hz.
Piercing: Strident, hard on the ears, screechy. Having sharp, narrow peaks in the response around 3 to 10 kHz.
Presence: A sense that the instrument in present in the listening room. Synonyms are edge, punch, detail, closeness and clarity. Adequate or emphasized response around 5 kHz for most instruments, or around 2 to 5 kHz for kick drum and bass.
Puffy: A bump in the response around 500 Hz.
Punchy: Good reproduction of dynamics. Good transient response, with strong impact. Sometimes a bump around 5 kHz or 200 Hz.
Rich: See Full. Also, having euphonic distortion made of even-order harmonics.
Round: High-frequency rolloff or dip. Not edgy.
Sibilant: "Essy" Exaggerated "s" and "sh" sounds in singing, caused by a rise in the response around 6 to 10 kHz.
Sizzly: See Sibilant. Also, too much highs on cymbals.
Smeared: Lacking detail. Poor transient response, too much leakage between microphones. Poorly focused images.
Smooth: Easy on the ears, not harsh. Flat frequency response, especially in the midrange. Lack of peaks and dips in the response.
Spacious: Conveying a sense of space, ambiance, or room around the instruments. Stereo reverb. Early reflections.
Steely: Emphasized upper mids around 3 to 6 kHz. Peaky, nonflat high-frequency response. See Harsh, Edgy.
Strident: See Harsh, Edgy.
Sweet: Not strident or piercing. Delicate. Flat high-frequency response, low distortion. Lack of peaks in the response. Highs are extended to 15 or 20 kHz, but they are not bumped up. Often used when referring to cymbals, percussion, strings, and sibilant sounds.
Telephone-like: See Tinny.
Thin: Fundamentals are weak relative to harmonics.
Tight: Good low-frequency transient response and detail.
Tinny: Narrowband, weak lows, peaky mids. The music sounds like it is coming through a telephone or tin can.
Transparent: Easy to hear into the music, detailed, clear, not muddy. Wide flat frequency response, sharp time response, very low distortion and noise.
Tubby: Having low-frequency resonances as if you're singing in a bathtub. See bloated.
Veiled: Like a silk veil is over the speakers. Slight noise or distortion or slightly weak high frequencies. Not transparent.
Warm: Good bass, adequate low frequencies, adequate fundamentals relative to harmonics. Not thin. Also excessive bass or midbass. Also, pleasantly spacious, with adequate reverberation at low frequencies. Also see Rich, Round. Warm highs means sweet highs.
Weighty: Good low-frequency response below about 50 Hz. Suggesting an object of great weight or power, like a diesel locomotive.
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they are not the same

rc dont have the •Proprietary Convergent Source Module (CSM) technology for increased dispersion

they just dont sound good period.. i could not recommend to someone buy rc70 speakers no matter how low the price...

maybe your confused you own both... rc70 and veritas 6.3 you should throw out your veritas i will be right down to pick em up lol...

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Easy on the speaker dissing bud. You're not going to make many friends here with that kind attitude.

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Both are great speakers but the veritas suit you better for your music listening preference.smile.gif


enjoy the veritas.

yes enjoy the veritas losservatore...

im sure your enjoying your v6.3 as well.............


High performance tower speaker delivers audiophile sound for the ultimate home theater experience


High gloss piano black or piano rosenut finish


Deep-reaching bass from two 6.5-inch woofers with patented Ribbed Elliptical Surround


Clear, accurate highs from aluminum dome tweeter for detailed listening


Proprietary Convergent Source Module (CSM) technology for increased dispersion
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yes enjoy the veritas losservatore...

im sure your enjoying your v6.3 as well.............


High performance tower speaker delivers audiophile sound for the ultimate home theater experience


High gloss piano black or piano rosenut finish


Deep-reaching bass from two 6.5-inch woofers with patented Ribbed Elliptical Surround


Clear, accurate highs from aluminum dome tweeter for detailed listening


Proprietary Convergent Source Module (CSM) technology for increased dispersion

Ahh yes thank you for posting the speaker's brochure! biggrin.gif

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Both are great speakers but the veritas suit you better for your music listening preference.smile.gif


enjoy the veritas.

So Losservatore

do you think a 7.2 (7) veritas 6.3 system with 2 canadian v-sw 10 sub will be a killer system ? just need some power xpa 2 and xpa 5 from emotiva...

sure do love the sound of taj mahal's phatom blues with the 6.3 veritas...
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sorry but Im not going back and forward with the same topic, I already said what I have to said, I like both speakers and both have their pros and cons.


each speaker have their own sound signature.



everything is about preference wink.gif

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sorry but Im not going back and forward with the same topic, I already said what I have to said, I like both speakers and both have their pros and cons.

and what did you say ? both are great speakers... well maybe you got the rc70 made in Canada, but the ones i got where made in China, and are so bad i took em all back... thought the 100 hrs would help
but it didnt.. the tweeter just sounded so bad in all 5 speakers.. had to go back.. hope they go back all the way to China.. lucky the store takes em back if you dont like em..



each speaker have their own signature sound.



everything is about preference wink.gif

you going to add a tube amps

like in your picture? to your system get some clean power running into those veritas Losservatore.... you can admit you love your veritas more dont you?

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This thread is weird...sorry for going off topic, but seriously read the entire thread it's mental.
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i really disagree with that statement... rc70 dont come close to the sound quality of the veritas.... you only have to pay a bit more for 10 fold the sound quality imho...

rc 70 make good fire wood in my opinion...

cheers

A bit more? That's almost as subjective as your opinions on sound quality.

$399 each for the RC70
$1249 each for the V6.3

Your "I'm right and you're wrong" postings really aren't earning you any respect around here - and yet, we keep responding which only encourages more of your drivel...
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Guys, can't you see that by answering back you are only encouraging him more?, that's what he wants. POWER.
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... they should really sell there rc 10 and get some v 6.3
imho.. how can so many be so wrong..
what is going on with this thread? Some responses are borderline trolling.
#1: Rc10 vs v6.3 ?? I haven't heard either one, but one would guess that the 6.3 are probably 'way better' than most bookshelves...but you are comparing apples & oranges here.
#2 rc70 vs v6.3 cost ? Is quite significant.
Anyway, this "my way or the highway" doesn't fly on this forum. If you bought the Takes, and said you liked them better than rc70, no one would flame you for it, and you would probably be encouraged to get them, and use the extra $$ to get a real sub(s). And by real, I mean not vsw10. I don't think that system would be "killer" at all with those subs. Maybe for 2.2 listening though, definitely not for movies. My puny take FPS and VS surrounds with 2 DIY subs would crush that system for movies... My recommendation would be to skip those 10" subs and get some ID subs... rythmik, svs, sumersive... you won't regret it.

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Of course he likes the V6.3 better. All that matters to him is volume. The V6.3 has a 93.5db sensitivity and the RC-70 only has 92db. So obviously the V6.3 are way better speakers!!! rolleyes.gif

This guy cant even understand the simple concept that some people like a smoother, warmer sound and others like the more forward, in your face sound.......rolleyes.gif



Deltadude, you really need to understand that other people have different preferences and opinions than you do. Just because you found the sound of the RC-70 dull, others might like that sound and consider it a warm neutral sound. Also, your ears and hearing might be different than others. Take losservatore for example......he finds the V6.3 too sibilant and has commented that he finds many speakers to be sibilant.

People hear differently and prefer different sounds. You need to understand that before anyone here will take anything you say seriously.
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Of course he likes the V6.3 better. All that matters to him is volume. The V6.3 has a 93.5db sensitivity and the RC-70 only has 92db. So obviously the V6.3 are way better speakers!!! rolleyes.gif

This guy cant even understand the simple concept that some people like a smoother, warmer sound and others like the more forward, in your face sound.......rolleyes.gif



Deltadude, you really need to understand that other people have different preferences and opinions than you do. Just because you found the sound of the RC-70 dull, others might like that sound and consider it a warm neutral sound. Also, your ears and hearing might be different than others. Take losservatore for example......he finds the V6.3 too sibilant and has commented that he finds many speakers to be sibilant.

People hear differently and prefer different sounds. You need to understand that before anyone here will take anything you say seriously.

Amen to that.
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I think everyone has had an opportunity to have their say. Since this thread seems to be going in circles and only thing left to focus on is discussion of the individual's posting vs the original topic....I'll go ahead and close this thread.

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