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What i want are speakers, receiver, maybe sub, all for $500 or $600, definitly less than a 1000. I prefer 5.1 because it will mainly be for movies but i understand that might not be feasible. The alternative is probably 2.1 or 2.0, either way i need something good quality that has that warm theater sound and not tin can one. Cheap but good reciever, probably gonna be entry level yamaha or onkyo, however i would like one that will give me opportunity to upgrade to 5.1 in the near future perhaps. In a sense the 2.0 speakers can be temporary.
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What i want are speakers, receiver, maybe sub, all for $500 or $600, definitly less than a 1000. I prefer 5.1 because it will mainly be for movies but i understand that might not be feasible. The alternative is probably 2.1 or 2.0, either way i need something good quality that has that warm theater sound and not tin can one. Cheap but good reciever, probably gonna be entry level yamaha or onkyo, however i would like one that will give me opportunity to upgrade to 5.1 in the near future perhaps. In a sense the 2.0 speakers can be temporary.

How big is your room?

What do you listen to?

Is your budget for just the starter system or for a complete 5.1 sytsem?
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i would like to spend right now only for 2.0 then open up for 5.1 in the future when i have enough money but this is not certain though. I was planning on getting usher bookshelf speakers but thought they maybe not a good choice if im to have 5.1? So my budget is around 500, as i said, i dont know what to go with yet. Room is small, but its actually a living room but small enough. The speakers are for watching movies, not music and not gaming.
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Good luck finding better than these for the money:

http://www.amazon.com/Jamo-426-HCS-WENGE-5-Piece/dp/B003GGXGU6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358518655&sr=8-1&keywords=jamo

Pair it with this:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

That's $379. Spend what you want on a sub. Maybe the Polk 505. $189 right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290130

Total $568 shipped. Slightly over $500 but will shame most HT in a box. The Denon has Audyssey which is important and a lot of people are really happy with the refurbs from accessories4less. I had the Jamo S406 set which was an earlier version of the S426. Most will agree that for the price it is a steal. The Polk 505 is a proven sub for home theater with plenty of output.

This is if you want it all now. If you choose to spend more and piece together later, start with a good 2.0 setup and build from there.

Best of luck..
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I think that spending the maximum amount possible on a good-quality pair of speakers is the wise choice, because you will keep them a long time. Lower quality speakers tend to be replaced eventually, so that is money wasted in the long run.

From there you can add a subwoofer (a GOOD 12-inch one with adequate power), and then 3 more speakers.

The Onkyo TX-NR414 is a good starting point. It is only $230 at Amazon and a great deal for that price.

A pair of Monitor Audio Bronze BX-5 speakers runs $750, and will be a good pair to start your system.

A Klipsch RW-12D subwoofer, or a similar one, will be the next thing to get, but those main speakers have enough low bass that you won't feel the need to get one soon.

A pair of Bronze BX-1 speakers and a bronze BX Center will run about $700 to get you to 5.1.

When you finish that system, everything will be high-quality, and not a penny will have been wasted.
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Definitely go for towers up front if you are going to have a 2.0 setup for a while until you have more money saved up for a sub. Towers put out a good amount of midbass and will keep you happy for the time being with their full sound.

If you are wanting to push the budget to $1,000 for the receiver and fronts, I would recommend these speakers:
Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE mini towers - $568 - http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cmt340m/cmt340m.html
Then pair them up with these stands for the full tower look - $180 - http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/access/spkstnds/pedstlcmt340.html

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Definitely go for towers up front if you are going to have a 2.0 setup for a while until you have more money saved up for a sub.
I'd rather spend the same money on a better set of bookshelves. That way you have the basis of a system that you can add upon, instead of a temporary solution that you'll end up either selling at a loss later on, or worse, hanging onto.

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I agree, I would go with a decent pair of bookshelf speakers and a receiver. You can always build up that system later if you want, but it'll be a good base to build from rather than a complete mediocre 5.1 system that you could never upgrade from. I would get bookshelfs with some decent bass to begin with. Some bookshelf speakers I would consider are the HTD Level Threes, Hsu HB-1, Arx A1b, and Ascend CBM170. Use the rest of your budget to buy the best receiver you can, Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo, Yamaha, Harman/Kardon, Marantz, where ever you can find a deal. A great 2.0 with room to grow will be far superior to a meh 5.1.
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I agree, I would go with a decent pair of bookshelf speakers and a receiver. You can always build up that system later if you want, but it'll be a good base to build from rather than a complete mediocre 5.1 system that you could never upgrade from. I would get bookshelfs with some decent bass to begin with. Some bookshelf speakers I would consider are the HTD Level Threes, Hsu HB-1, Arx A1b, and Ascend CBM170. Use the rest of your budget to buy the best receiver you can, Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo, Yamaha, Harman/Kardon, Marantz, where ever you can find a deal. A great 2.0 with room to grow will be far superior to a meh 5.1.

these seem good dont know how obscure they are but i reckon i wont find them where i live so i need something that i can be in australia; like the Wharfedale Diamond 10.0 or usher s520? Im a noob at this but just by searching local sites, they tend to have lots of B&W as well.

Will there be a problem if in the future i mix and matched different brand speakers for 5.1? I read in other threads of people being annoyed at the difference in sound quality between speakers and that there is only a certain set of speakers that can go together, also something about "crossovers"?

is the yamaha rxv473 good? Or should i go lower? the cheapest yamaha here are Yamaha - RX-V373. and cheapest (affordable) denon is AVR1513BK. The onkyo is just Onkyo - TX-SR313. Pioneer VSX522 is the cheapest of all.
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Wharefedale is said to be decent. You don't want to mix the front three, but you can mix subs and also use different surround speakers without worries. Yamaha is a good receiver manufacturer.
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so if i had to choose between usher or waferdale, which one to go with? But if you know good ones just name it so i can see if i can find it. Also are bookshelf 2.0 give enough bass without subwoofer?

edit: Yamaha's NX-E800 speakers good?
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I'd rather spend the same money on a better set of bookshelves. That way you have the basis of a system that you can add upon, instead of a temporary solution that you'll end up either selling at a loss later on, or worse, hanging onto.

+1

If you go for bookshelves and then decide your room needed towers (or you find you have more disposable income), that's just your next upgrade and the bookshelves go to the rear.

$500 is a little thin for bookshelves, sub, and receiver, so start with the bookshelves and receiver and add a sub next when you can afford it. The Wharfedale Diamonds you mentioned would be a great choice. Then after you buy a sub, which need not be a Wharedale, then get a Diamond center channel--it's important that the front left/right and center match for a good front soundstage. Then finally the surround speakers can be whatever--don't have to match the front (although there is a little advantage to that).

Seems like you have some good choices picked out with the Yamaha and the Denon.smile.gif

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Im still uncertain though, the diamond 10.1 is more money that i could save if i choose something else.

here is both choices

http://www.thecableconnection.com.au/Wharfedale-Diamond-101-Bookshelf-Speakers-Pair---100-Watt-RMS.html

http://www.thecableconnection.com.au/Usher-Audio---S520---Bookshelf-Speakers-pair---White-Gloss.html

and a review for it here http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/usher-s-520-review-addendum

I dont understand the specs so cant decide which is better, probably the 10.1, but what will happen if i choose just the wharfedale 10.0?

http://www.thecableconnection.com.au/Wharfedale-Diamond-100-Bookshelf-Speakers-Pair---75-Watts-RMS.html

there are also others like
bronze BX1 or BX2
Behringer Truth B2030P
Paradigm Micro
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The 10.1 has a bigger driver than the smaller Diamond.You should get a little better mid bass and maybe mid range response from them. Good thing to have for front speakers. the review of the ushers did not seem very good to me with the comments about the woofer problem.

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they say its one issue that it has too low bass extension that makes it bottom out at high SPL levels. I have no idea what this means. I'm getting it for movies and won't use it for parties and such.
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These are nice and won't break the bank:
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should i buy a used reciever, what should it be?
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How much money do you have? There are a lot of suggestions here but no decisions. Narrow it down so that realistic suggestions can be made.

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i was thinking i could buy a used version of this Onkyo TX-NR579 http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_components/av_receivers/tx-nr579/index.html

i can get it for cheap, but dont know what power i need or features. i think im gonna go with the ushers unless i find wharfedale with better price. but with those speakers they require high end amps for some reason, thats what people say.
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That receiver should do very well. The ushers don't require high end amps but do require more wattage than average to push them. They have a sensitivity of 86. That is below average. That is not a bad thing but something you should keep in mind. When you go to get the front 3 that may narrow your choices quite a bit. You want all of your speakers to have a similar sensitivity. If the front ones are much more sensitive than the back then the front ones will be louder when all of them are given the same power. Try to stay within 3 dB. There are many good speakers within this window but keep it in mind. They also tend to be more expensive imo. In my experience most speakers are in the 89-92 category.

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The ushers don't require high end amps but do require more wattage than average to push them. They have a sensitivity of 86. That is below average.
86dB is average for a single midbass driver box. Where Usher differs from many companies is that their specs are honest.

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the solution could be to relegate the ushers to the rear and buy 3 front from a different brand. as for reciever, you guys think a refurbished is better than used or vice versa? There are many choices, the ones i mentioned earler i think had 130w per channel, what is optimal power for the ushers?
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fwiw , the monitor audio bx series or the wharfedale 's would be a great set up. and as for buying used and refurbished electronics i would go refurbished 1st only if the seller is a authorized dealer in that brand. this way you will get some kind of limited warranty. as for buying used its a crap shoot, you really dont know how hard it was used or if there is a hdmi port not working or many other glitches or problems until you get it home and hooked up. but then again you could get a real bargin. if you do go used try to look at newer models of well known brands ( denon , yamaha , onkyo ) and ask "alot" of questions and maybe have them hook it up and give a listen before you fork over your hard earned cash. and as for power goes you wont ever use 130 watts per channel in your life time and it wont play that much louder than a 75 wattper channel reciver. anything from 50 - 100 watts would do fine in your size room

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