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Ok, so I just got a BIC pl-200 sub and a Klipsch RW-12d sub. I absolutely LOVE them, they sound FANTASTIC (room about 12x15). For my mains, I have Klipsch Reference RSX-5 L/R, and center is Klipsch RCX-4 (the matching set from the Cinema 10's) For my surrounds, I have the Klipsch RSX-4's, they are awesome sounding as well, they sound very similar to the RSX-5's, they blend perfectly.

Now, I'm purely doing this as a "luxury" upgrade, I'm pretty torn between what I should do.

The options are:

Another Klipsch RW-12d

Or replace RSX-4 with RSX-5 surrounds

What do you all think?

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No one, really?

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You would probably be happier in the long run if you saved up a bit more and bought a nicer sub. Something that could dig below 20hz.
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I think you're wasting your money either way. If you're gonna upgrade make a real one. Move the rsx 5s to the back and get some better speakers for the front.

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If the options are adding another matching sub or new surrounds, I'll take the sub all day. More immediate gratification.

But I would look into a new complete front soundstage. I think your money would be better spent there.

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The RSX Reference speakers sound phenomenal, these are the upgrades, no interest in upgrading them. They have much better midrange performance than the specs would indicate. I do not feel them lacking in any way.

Just can't decide on the surrounds or sub. I do have two great subs already... Hmm

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Having mismatched subs is less then ideal. I would say maybe try to sell the Bic and add another RW12D or 2.

The RSX speakers lack mid bass due to their compact size, that is why people are suggesting you consider upgrading those.
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I know mismatched subs aren't ideal, but the pl-200 and RW-12d sound very very similar, plus, I have them gain matched. I will say though, the RSX/RCX Reference speakers I have certainly don't lack midrange, not to my ear. I am in love with these speakers. smile.gif

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Mid bass not midrange, they start to roll off at 200 Hz.
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That's not even remotely true, I get excellent midbass down to 75hz. The RSX-5's are spec'd down to 87hz with 5.25" midrange drivers (and the magnet is beefy, I opened em up), yet they go lower than this with authority. The RSX-5 and RCX-4 really are not very small. The RCX-4 is bigger than it looks in pictures, and the RSX-5's are more like bookshelf speakers, NOT satellite. (they are absolutely massive if you consider them satellites)

I don't know where you got the idea they roll off at 200hz, lol.

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I know mismatched subs aren't ideal, but the pl-200 and RW-12d sound very very similar, plus, I have them gain matched. I will say though, the RSX/RCX Reference speakers I have certainly don't lack midrange, not to my ear. I am in love with these speakers. smile.gif
You really sound like you don't want to upgrade anything as you are happy with the subs and in love with the RSX-5. Maybe consider doing nothing?

Otherwise, as a few have stated, the RSX-5 is a tiny speaker and laws of physics dictate that they likely don't have much mid-bass slam in spite of your current feelings. I would move them to surround duty move up the Reference lineup for your front three. But that's going to cost.

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IDK maybe from looking at the measurements instead of assuming the spec sheet is accurate.
klipsch-ref-5-fr.jpg

Top line rsx5. By 80Hz the response is -7db from 200Hz. Yes there is lots of midrange with a rolled of treble, sounds nice and is my preference when designing speakers, the bass rolloff is there due to the cabinet size.

http://www.audio-ideas.com/reviews/ht_loudspeakers/klipsch-reference-five.html
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Otherwise, as a few have stated, the RSX-5 is a tiny speaker and laws of physics dictate that they likely don't have much mid-bass slam in spite of your current feelings. I would move them to surround duty move up the Reference lineup for your front three. But that's going to cost.

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This is going to be your best upgrade. Even some good 6" driver bookshelves with matching center would be an improvement. And you don't have to stay with Klipsch for the front sound stage, even if you are using the RSX-5 for the surrounds. But either way--sub upgrade or front sound stage--if you want a significant improvement, you need to be think about spending more than the cost of an RW-12d. Better to wait and get improvements that give you wow factor, or otherwise you'll want to upgrade again before long.

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IDK maybe from looking at the measurements instead of assuming the spec sheet is accurate.
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Top line rsx5. By 80Hz the response is -7db from 200Hz. Yes there is lots of midrange with a rolled of treble, sounds nice and is my preference when designing speakers, the bass rolloff is there due to the cabinet size.

http://www.audio-ideas.com/reviews/ht_loudspeakers/klipsch-reference-five.html

Strange, much different from my tests and experience with this set-up.

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Strange, much different from my tests and experience with this set-up.

Not surprising. The RVX-42s are not that much better, and Klipsch also exaggerated the -3db with them.

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You bastards, you guys are giving me upgraditis again! :P How much of an upgrade would it be to go to Klipsch Rb-51 ii for L/R mains and a Klipsch RC-52 ii for center? (I don't want to change from Klipsch)

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So for a upgrade what is your budget?

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Not much of an upgrade. Are you stuck on small speakers? Why not keep the center and get a couple of towers?
This would be an upgrade:
http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Reference-RF-52-channel-speaker/dp/B0016AQTHQ/ref=sr_1_6?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1358938305&sr=1-6&keywords=klipsch+speakers

or

http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-RF-52-Reference-Floorstanding-Loudspeaker/dp/B0041578BE/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1358938796&sr=1-13&keywords=klipsch+rf-62+ii

Too bad you're stuck on Klipsch. Everyone knows these sound very similar and would be your best bang for the buck real upgrade. They will sound match with what you already have very well.

http://www.amazon.com/Bic-Acoustech-PL-76-Tower-Speaker/dp/B001VIRXCI/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1358939459&sr=1-1&keywords=bic+pl+76

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Yeah, I am a diehard Klipsch fan. The Bic sub is great, but their other speakers are another story. They use much cheaper components and their cabinets are way too shallow for the driver sizes they use (they use a sealed design for their center channels, very odd). Also, the speakers you linked to would no way be a good match for the RSX series speakers. The Bic Acoustech speakers are not true horn speakers as they don't use compression tweeters. Timbre and tweeter matching is imperative.

In order to upgrade, i'd have to change all my speakers. I'm a stickler for speakers being matched, which is why I'm considering two more RSX-5's for the rear channels.

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So for a upgrade what is your budget?

$350 tops. I don't really want go above an RW-12d as i'd like to match my subs the best I can.

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Get a 3rd sub. The RW is a good deal.

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You can get a pair of RB61's for $400. Those speakers actually have pretty good response down to 50hz, and a much stronger mid bass presence

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEVER-HOOKED-UP-Klipsch-Speakers-RB-61II-Speakers-OPEN-BOX-1-PAIR-/200870173082?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item2ec4cb999a
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