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So my wife and I decided to hold off on getting the speakers for out HT system until we can afford something that is really nice. We went to Best Buy and demo'd all the speakers they had in stock, and were BLOWN AWAY by the Martin Logan Motion 15 bookshelves and Motion 8 center channel. We can get LX16's for less money than the Motion 15's (same speaker, different look). I was thinking of Motion 4's or 2's for surrounds. However, after doing some more research I stumbled upon Aperion Verus Forte and Intimus speakers. Anyone heard either of those, and how do they compare to the Motions? Any information would be appreciated. Really want to demo speakers before buying, and Aperion has a 30 day in home trial with free shipping, even with free shipping back if we dont like them!eek.gif

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Several internet direct speaker companies offer in home trials. In home is way better than in a store as far as a listening test, too. Personally I love my Ascends, and I'd wager the Ascend Sierra-1 would change your mind at about the same pricepoint, but there are a few choices out there. Martin Logan only interests me with their electrostatic speakers, the Motion line I listened to (admittedly at BB) didn't get me interested. What's your price range? 5ch? Sub? How big a room? What will you use the speakers for? Just movies? Music? What are you going to drive the speakers with?

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Receiver will be my Yamaha RX-765. Room in open in the back to the kitchen, and 18 by 18 roughly. Seating area is about 15' from the front. Will be going for a 5.1, hence the Motion 15's, Motion 8 center, and Motion 4 Surrounds. Sub will be my BIC F12 (I love that thing!). The system will be pretty used for TV watching and movies. Very little music only situations (Maybe 5%).

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Forgot to add that the 5 speakers need to be around (preferable under) $1500 I would say. Also, the bookshelf's need to be small-ish (nothing over 13" tall I would say) and the center MUST be less than about 6.5" tall and 20"s wide (To pass the wife test).

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For that price, you can get better speakers.

The Martin-Logan company makes some very good speakers, but the lower-priced ones you are looking at are really not competitive in sound quality with comparably-priced ones from KEF, PSB, Monitor Audio and Gallo Acoustics.

You need to look around a but more.

For example, a very good Monitor Audio system is well within your price range (under $1100).

2 Bronze BX-2 speakers = $489

2 Bronze BX-1 speakers = $379

1 Bronze BX Center = $299. (...6.5" x 18"...)

Various retailers will let you try them in your home for 30 days.
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The Aperion are great sounding speakers. I would put them in the same sound quality league as the Monitor Audio, PSB, and KEF. The Aperions have free return shipping and is a win win, you can demo in your home for 30 days and if you don't like them send them back for a full refund.
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Yeah...those Monitor speakers are not going to pass the looks test. I am sure they sound good, but we had custom cherry bookcases made, and want something up to those standards in looks. Forgot to add that the rears would have to be mounted high on the walls, angled down to the listener (not ideal, but is the way that it would have to be).

The Gallos (Classico 2's) are gorgeous, but the center it WAY TOO big (26"s eek.gif) The KEF's are also too large for my application.

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The Monitor Audio speakers are available in Black Oak and English Walnut veneers, which are very nice finishes. They have much nicer finishes than 80% of the speakers on the market.

Did you want a Piano Black finish or what?

If I had the kind of bookcase you are talking about, I would want some sort of black speaker, because any regular wood-grain finish would either have to match exactly or it would clash (and your chances of a perfect match are about 1 in 100).

You better talk to your decorating supervisor about that in detail. I suspect that clashing will not pass muster.

You can always put speakers on a custom shelf that is angled downward in front with a molding along the front edge sticking up about one-quarter inch along the front edge to keep the speaker in place.
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Piano finish (the the Martin Logans will match perfectly). I can not stand the flat looking "black ash" exteriors. Even I want high gloss. When it comes to sound, I call the shots. When it comes to looks, my wife wins. That is why I was surprised when she liked how the ML's looked AND sounded! What about NHT Absolutes?

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The NHT Classic Three is an excellent speaker that comes in a Piano Black gloss finish. They are $800 per pair and there are other NHT speakers that can be used to complete the system and they make wall-mount brackets for most of them. You can't go wrong with them.

I have the NHT B12D subwoofer, and it is the best I have ever heard (at least for under $1000), and is only $700; the Piano Black finish is superb.

I also have a pair of Gallo Classico CL-3 speakers, and they come in a dark cherry wood veneer which is a gloss finish that is very nice. A pair of Gallo CL-2 speakers is $800. Gallo gives a 60-day free home trial...but beware; they sound so much better than anything else for under $2000 that you will be hooked once you hear them.

That finish might just be a perfect match for your furniture....

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Both brands make good speakers, but I would simply order some Aperions and try them out. Since they pay shipping both ways if you aren't happy, you have nothing to lose. I would audition as many speakers as possible and then decide. I personally like the new Gallo Classico, but there are many great manufacturers like Ascend, Monitor Audio, PSB, and Mirage to name a few. However, if you still prefer the Martin Logan sound, go with it and enjoy.
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Those Classicos are awesome looking, but a little too big. I think I might try the Aperions and if I dont like them I can send the back. I just realized that the ML's are 4 ohms, and my receiver doesnt have any literature about whether it can handle the load (only listed as 8 ohm). It is also a discontinued model, so info is sparse. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

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i have motion 4's and a motion 8 up front and they sound great.One of the reasons I went with the Martin Logans was because my wife loved the way they looked.
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The Ascend Sierra 1s in piano black finish are gorgeous (I have L/C/R), bamboo cabinets too (higher density than mdf).. They also have a few other finishes available. http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1/srm1.html The piano finish is on sale too.

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I used to have Aperion Verus Forte Satellites and Center and Intimus BP4 surrounds and ended up returning them. They were better than my other speakers (Bose ACM 10.....I know shocker!!smile.gif) but I finally settled on Energy RC line after auditioning Aperion, Klipsch and Polk. If you get the Aperions you will love the packaging and the silk bags the speakers come in. I know sound is what really matters in the end but they do come in the piano finish you are looking for.

Audition as many brands as you can before settling on a brand. It is time and energy consuming but it sure is really fun!!

Good luck!
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The Ascend Sierra 1s in piano black finish are gorgeous (I have L/C/R), bamboo cabinets too (higher density than mdf).. They also have a few other finishes available. http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1/srm1.html The piano finish is on sale too.

They do look good, but are too big for my application. I have heard a lot of good things about them as well.

Gavone....what other speakers did you test out before settling on them? Did you check out the Motion 15/LX16's? before buying. That is what my original plan was, using them as fronts and the 4's as surrounds. Kinda worried about the 4ohm as my Yamaha receiver is only rated at 8ohm.

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If you like the MLs then you like them. Don't let someone else attempt to dictate what you might like. Plus the MLs are available to you locally. Your wife likes them. Why not go with them? I demoed some Motion series speakers a while ago and they did sound very nice to me.
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The problem is will they work with my receiver? It is only rated at 8ohms and the speakers are listed as 4ohms. It is the Yamaha RX-765 which is a 95 watt rceiver, but now discontinued.

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The problem is will they work with my receiver? It is only rated at 8ohms and the speakers are listed as 4ohms. It is the Yamaha RX-765 which is a 95 watt rceiver, but now discontinued.

Not familiar with your avr but maybe these guys are still paying attention to this thread if the information isn't in there http://www.avsforum.com/t/1205378/the-un-official-yamaha-765-thread

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The problem is will they work with my receiver? It is only rated at 8ohms and the speakers are listed as 4ohms. It is the Yamaha RX-765 which is a 95 watt rceiver, but now discontinued.

That receiver will drive those speakers without issue. ML Motion series are fairly efficient are compatible with 8 ohm amps. I have driven ML Mosaic and Fresco denon and pioneer receivers without issue.
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I only listened to the ML's,they sounded great to me so I bought them.I guess I regret not listening to any thing else but I am happy with the sound.I have the speakers mounted on the wall so I don't think the motion 15's would look as good as the 4's mounted on the walls.
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The motion 15's would be on my bookshelves, and the 4's would be on the rear wall. Gavone...glad you had the same stringent test that I have to deal with (wife approval)! smile.gif

On a side note...where did you get the stone onlay on the walls? I want that for my fireplace area.

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Just realized that the Motion 8 and 4's are 8ohm, so using just the (2) Motion 15's I dont think would cause too much of an issue with their lower rating of 4ohms.

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Actually, the Motion 8 and 4s are 4ohm.

http://www.martinlogan.com/motionSeries/specs.php

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Actually, the Motion 8 and 4s are 4ohm.

http://www.martinlogan.com/motionSeries/specs.php

Damn Best Buy website...they lied! Also, the Motion 15 is 5 ohms? That is weird.

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I got the stone from a store called The Tile Shop in New Jersey,I think they have stores in other states as well.
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I only listened to the ML's,they sounded great to me so I bought them.I guess I regret not listening to any thing else but I am happy with the sound.I have the speakers mounted on the wall so I don't think the motion 15's would look as good as the 4's mounted on the walls.
I just installed the same set up with a dynamo 300 sub and think it sounds really good. How did you wire your motion's on the wall. Did you use wall plates or just make a small hole in the wall? I went with a small hole...I'm afraid wall plates won't look so good. There is really not enough room to hide plates behind the speaker.
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I went with a small hole.I think a wall plate would have been way to big.The speakers sound does actually get better with age.
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Hello

I never heard the Martin Logan but they do have a nice reputation.

I got the aperion Verus Grand towers, Verus Grand cente ,4 Verus Grand bookshelf for surronds duty and could not be more happier.
They sound terific and the quality of the cabinet and finish is outstanding.
Mine are the piano gloss finish and cannot over how nice they look.

Happy hunting and good luck with your decision.

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I went with a small hole.I think a wall plate would have been way to big.The speakers sound does actually get better with age.
Nice. are you using the 6 or 8 for the center? What do you have them crossed over at? I'm still experimenting with that. Do you listen to them loud? I love loud music but they seem to get a little sloppy at higher levels.
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