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Hi, I was wondering what other options there are for bookshelf speakers that play pretty low. This is for music only without a sub and nearfield listening. I'm currently using energy Rc10's and they go down to 50Hz(give or take a few) I'm looking at either Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, or Tekton Design M lore monitors. Any others I should consider? Budget is $1000.
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50Hz is about as low as you can reasonably expect from bookshelfs unless they're pretty large, loaded with at least 8 inch woofers.

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Agreed, thats why I was looking at the Sierra-1's(Typical In-Room Frequency Response 39Hz - 22kHz ± 3dB) and the Tektons (Frequency Response 38Hz-20kHz) the tektons have an 8" driver. I was wondering what others might suggest.
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monitor audio silver rx2 go down fairly low with their 8 inch woofers. http://www.monitoraudio.ca/products/silver-rx/rx2/#/specification they're roughly 800-900 i believe.
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Def Tech Sm 55 and Sm 65's will (supposedly) go down to 35Hz or so................ Sm55's are $299 each and Sm 65's $499 each on Amazon, can probably do better at other sites ( Newegg, etc)

Some people like them , some don't................
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I hate it when manufacture dont list the db point.
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Deftech badly exaggerates the extension on all of their products. If you don't need something beautiful looking, there are some pretty beefy studio monitors that really do have good extension. One to look at is the JBL LSR2328, that is a pretty heavy duty active monitor. Up your budget a bit more and check out the Mackie HR824 mk2, it has a large 8.75" woofer with a 150 watt LF amp and claims to have a response of 37Hz-20kHz (+/- 1.5 dB). That is terrific extension. The KRK VXT-8 also has a claimed Frequency response of 40Hz-22kHz (+/-1.5dB). I don't know the tolerances for the KRK Rokit 10-3, but with that 10" woofer and KRKs claim of a 30 hz extension, that is going to have some serious bass, no doubt. It is a big speaker though, but not a tower speaker, and it also hits your budget at $1k shipped almost exactly.
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Def Tech Sm 55 and Sm 65's will (supposedly) go down to 35Hz or so................ Sm55's are $299 each and Sm 65's $499 each on Amazon, can probably do better at other sites ( Newegg, etc)

Some people like them , some don't................

The SM 55 is -3 db at 44 hz

The SM 65 is around 43 hz

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Agreed, thats why I was looking at the Sierra-1's(Typical In-Room Frequency Response 39Hz - 22kHz ± 3dB) and the Tektons (Frequency Response 38Hz-20kHz) the tektons have an 8" driver. I was wondering what others might suggest.

The Sierra-1s have very good bass for book shelf speakers. I would highly recommend them.

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If you don't mind building a kit, for near field speakers DIY sound group has the nano neo's that get down to 40 hz in a .32 cu ft cab and there is the hit makers that get down to 42hz in a .5 cu ft cab. Both speakers can be built for less tha 200 bucks and that includes pre cut cabs. They both sound extremely nice and will fit on a desk easily no sub needed.
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Thanks everyone for the help. Now I have a few other options to consider.biggrin.gif
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The Arx A1b bookshelf is a great bookshelf with deep extension. Frequency Response: 52Hz-22kHz +/- 3dB Its a 5.25" woofer but with the XBL2/Splitgap drivers with huge excursion its has better bass than some 6.5" woofers in its price class and even higher. http://www.theaudioinsider.com/manufacturers.php?mPath=13



This is the 1w/1m on axis response of the Arx A1b taken perpendicular to the vertical middle of the baffle. Major vertical divisions are ten Decibels apart and minor divisions are 3.33dB apart. The A1b's response is therefore +/- less than 2dB from the low forties to beyond 20kHz.
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Look into the Salk WOW1 - great little speakers with an F3 of 42 Hz cool.gif

But priced at $1200.

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50Hz is about as low as you can reasonably expect from bookshelfs unless they're pretty large, loaded with at least 8 inch woofers.

Agreed. People need to understand that the ear loses sensitivity rapidly below even as high as 1 KHz.



The threshold of hearing at 50 Hz is 40 dB which is the about the same as the noise level in a typical residential room.

In reality, clean SPLs on the order of 100 dB in the bass range are required for satisfying bass.

Now, lets take Salk WOW1 with its 4 1/2 inch woofer that has an Xmax of only 6 mm.

http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=85

Freq,Hz Max SPL, DB

10 58
20 70
30 77
40 82
50 86
60 89
70 92
80 94
90 97
100 98
110 100
120 102
130 103
140 104
150 105
160 107
170 108


At 40 Hz this speaker is capable of only a clean 82 dB SPL which is only about 35 dB above the threshold of hearing! Not much of a bass experience.
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Amazing speakers...going low!
http://www.sjofnhifi.com/servlet/Categories?category=%28the+clue%29+loudpseakers

With claims that push on the edges of perception and the laws of physics.

With a 5.5 inch woofer, presumed to have SOTA linear travel:

Freq,Hz Max SPL, DB

10 66
20 78
30 85
40 90
50 94
60 97
70 100
80 102
90 104
100 106
110 108
120 109
130 111
140 112
150 113
160 114
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At 28 Hz it is linear up to only about 85 dB SPL which is only about 20 dB above the threshold of hearing at that frequency. Again, the use of a proper subwoofer is highly recommended!
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I hate it when manufacture dont list the db point.

At the bass end, the dB figure that really matters is the SPL, not the response tolerance.
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Thanks again for the info everyone. I could just keep my Energy RC10's which go down to 50Hz and just get a sub. It would be cheaper but a little more challenging to integrate between PC> ASUS Xonar Essence>Emotiva Mini X amp. I could add an SVS sb1000 and call it a day. Originally I was set on keeping my RC10's when one day I had the house to my self and decided to crank my amp to see how the setup sounded. At half volume it sounded fantastic with plenty of punchy bass( I prefer heavier forms of music) but once I went louder it started to sound (for lack of a better adjective) mushy. It seemed that too a point the extra power made the speakers come alive and then when I pushed it the bass and midrange blended together and not in a good way. Maybe loss of midrange detail.
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Definitely look into Klipsch Reference RB-81 ii. They extend very low.

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