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Current Setup,

Onkyo TX-SR806 AVR
KEF iQ90 Fronts
KEF iQ60c center
Outlaw LFM-1 EX Sub
Old Infinity speakers for surround and back channel

I would like to upgrade my system,

1) Should i look at getting a newer AVR?
2) Add second sub? If so, should it be matching (another Outlaw LFM-1 EX)?
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Current Setup,

Onkyo TX-SR806 AVR
KEF iQ90 Fronts
KEF iQ60c center
Outlaw LFM-1 EX Sub
Old Infinity speakers for surround and back channel

I would like to upgrade my system,

1) Should i look at getting a newer AVR?
2) Add second sub? If so, should it be matching (another Outlaw LFM-1 EX)?

what is not satisfying in your current set up that is causing you to consider upgrading?

a couple of thoughts, your receiver being a few years old may not have the best currently available room correction package and there may be other features on newer avr's that might benefit you.....also 2 subs are almost always better then 1....and I prefer matching subs when running 2 or more.

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Does that receiver have Audyssey MultEQ? Or MultEQ XT or MultEQ 32? If the first, you could get some SQ bump by going to a receiver with a higher level of Audyssey.

Dual subs do sound better. They help to better smooth the bass response throughout the room.

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Thanks Jason and CEL. Current system is good, I purely want to upgrade to get better sound. Given AVR is in its 5th year, I am not sure if its performing optimally (it has Multi EQ). I do not like the center channel i have iq60c, its dull and does not go low enough. I do not want to change that alone, if i can better the system through another AVR or a SUB, i would like to do that now and change the front/center later (to KEF R series may be, need to save for it).
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Some simple room treatments can add phenomenal performance improvements.

Keep in mind, the loudspeakers/subs, and the acoustic environment in which they're placed, are the two overwhelmingly important elements in any system.

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FOH, what kind of room treatment are you talking about? can you please suggest some for my understanding? thanks
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^^^ Can you give us a few pics of your setup? If not explain your setup and your room layout and what the walls, ceilings, and floors have on them.

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i live in an apartment. i have this setup running in my living 14x18 rectangle..with tv on one end and main seating at 13ft with two large couch on the sides (with their back to the wall). i have a back channel right behind main seating area (about 4-5ft behind). sub is placed closer to one of the couch (kinda looks like an end table for the couch, which is black and matches the sub' finish, that is how i got away with such a large sub in living:)). ceiling i guess is 8ft. floor is hardwood with a large woolen carpet covering area between tv and main seating. does this help?
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The drawing is very helpful... I will let some of the room acoustics experts comment on room treatment or just simple everyday things you can do to make your room sound better.

In the positioning of your sub how did you choose that spot? Did you do the sub crawl? Or did you just put it there to use as an end table?
If you want to buy a 2nd EX I would suggest either placing 1 sub in the front right corner of the room and the other sub in the back left corner OR IF you really like having the sub as an end table for the on couch I would try the other sub as an end table for the other couch but have it on the end of the couch near the rear of the room like under your left side surround speaker.

A new AVR would also do good as well. With options like the Onkyo 818 that has Mult EQ XT 32 and all the new sound formats and tons of HDMI connections things will sound better and hook up with less clutter.

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Do you sit in the seat in the bottom center of the image? If so, how close is it to the rear wall behind the seat? ,...ie, ears to wall in distance. You may benefit greatly from thick absorption there, if this is the case.

All the typical caveats apply; whatever bass traps you can get away with, mind the early/first reflections with absorption if needed.

Here's some great vids and reading to help out, these are great;

How to set up a room here.

RealTraps acoustics basics found here, is a simple and solid place to start.

Real Traps founder/owner and fellow AVS'er, Ethan Winer, has a tutorial page it is comprehensive.

Ethan has placed some outstanding videos on his site, the second one is of particular interst in this case.

It's not easy to tell from your image, however you may benefit from bringing your speakers in somewhat from the corners, and off the front wall a bit. Don't worry about narrowing the spread, getting them away from boundaries often increases the smoothness and image quality. Experiment, check out the links I provided, they're very good information. Good sound is all about the room. Regardless how expensive the gear is, it'll sound bad in a bad sounding room. The room dominates the sound.

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thank you Flick and FOH. Some good inputs.

Flick, Yes i can place second sub in the back corner. I placed the first sub as end table just for aesthetic reasons (for wife factor).

FOH, realtrap videos are very helpful. yes, i sit in the center and it is 5ft+ away from rear wall.
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