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Sorry guys....I know this is my 2nd post today, but I really need to order one of these this afternoon.

I have a small apartment and will be getting a sub later....so right now I'm only getting bookshelf speakers. I can't decide between these 2.

I was convinced on getting the S30 but then noticed the SM450 on sale at newegg for 299

One more question: both of these can simply sit on top of the entertainment center correct? I'm not interested in mounts or stands at the moment.

Between these 2, which would you prefer (price difference aside)

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Sorry guys....I know this is my 2nd post today, but I really need to order one of these this afternoon.

I have a small apartment and will be getting a sub later....so right now I'm only getting bookshelf speakers. I can't decide between these 2.

I was convinced on getting the S30 but then noticed the SM450 on sale at newegg for 299

One more question: both of these can simply sit on top of the entertainment center correct? I'm not interested in mounts or stands at the moment.

Between these 2, which would you prefer (price difference aside)

THANKS!!!!!
Hi Shish Kabab, get the Definitives, of course! smile.gif
If you check out the DT owner's thread on this site, you'll see some fanatical lovers of our products and company. We take care of the customer in a way that earns us some points, outside of the sound.
You'll love the SM 450's, even more so when you add a sub later.
They will be fine on an entertainment center, although any bookshelf speaker's dispersion characteristics improve if you should someday decide to put them on stands.
Thanks again for your interest in our products, and let us know when you get them. BTW if you like to play music, we are good at that part. Some products are best for theater only.
Take care - best, Joe
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Thanks for the advice.....any other input (from those that don't work for def tech wink.gif ?)
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Thanks for the advice.....any other input (from those that don't work for def tech wink.gif ?)

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fwiw,i own the cambridge audio s-30 and two other pair of more expensive speakers (outlaw bls and the reference 3a mm de capo i) and for the price the s-30 does a fairly good job against the outlaws which are 4x more.they have a very good mid range and a nice low end . tight not sloppy and boomy like other speakers in its price range.a very well rounded little speaker. highly recommanded

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I own the SM450's and are just an awesome room filling speaker. I looooove mine.
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So I decided on the S30's and bought them yesterday from Crutchfield......they shipped this morning!

Now the problem is....i dont have a receiver or wires. Sorry for the ignorant questions, but.......what "wires" will give me the best sound.

And as far as receiver goes...would a denon 1612 do the trick? I won't be going to a 5.1 ever, and might be adding a sub later. I already have apple TV so I'm wondering if a 1613 would give any additional benefit? Thanks for all the help gents.
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The 1612 has over the 1613: a couple of extra analogue inputs, an S-Video / iPOD dock input, and it decodes DD EX and DTS ES.

The 1613 has over the 1612: an ethernet port, DLNA certification, and some Apple-related and streaming features.

Otherwise, they're pretty much the same. You can't go wrong with either one. If you get a good deal on a 1612, snag one; otherwise, get a 1613.

As for speaker wire, 14- or 16-ga. wire from your local hardware store - or from Monoprice.com - is all you need.
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The Denon AVR-1612 is a nice receiver. As for speaker wire, 14- or 16-ga. wire from your local hardware store - or from Monoprice.com - is all you need.

+1 for both of the above.

Monoprice is also the place to go if you need HDMI or interconnects (RCA cables) unless you are doing runs across a room. If you doing HDMI or RCA runs across a room, then I would look at Blue Jeans cables.

The 1612 will sound exactly the same as the 1613. You can go here to see the difference in GUI, remotes, volume controls, etc. I would onlu go 1613 if the features mentioned there matter to you.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq

I also had the Def Tech SM350's and really liked them. Eventullay upgraded to Def Tech BP8 towers.
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THANKS GUYS!!!!

So i just went to best buy to "browse" and they had the 1613 open box for 299. I bought it......why do I keep feeling like this is "too much" for 2 Cambridge S30 bookshelf speakers? Well I guess I do have 30 days to return it. What would be cheaper alternatives? Or should I stop whining and be happy with my purchase?

Also....is there any way you could link me to wires and proper HDMI? sorry...i went to monoprice and instantly got lost. Anything else I would need for connecting the wires?
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So i just went to best buy to "browse" and they had the 1613 open box for 299. I bought it......why do I keep feeling like this is "too much" for 2 Cambridge S30 bookshelf speakers?
It's not too much for the S30s. And it may be just what you need if/when you move to 3.1 or 5.1. Enjoy it. smile.gif
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Also....is there any way you could link me to wires and proper HDMI? sorry...i went to monoprice and instantly got lost. Anything else I would need for connecting the wires?

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- 28ga. HDMI cables
- 16ga. speaker wire

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Do I need "high speed" HDMI? I already have 4 HDMI at home, but they're all about 4 years old.
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I have become a Sewell Deadbolt banana plug fan. Order these, love them and extremely easy to use.
http://sewelldirect.com/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Plugs-2-Pair-.asp

I would probably get more than two pair though because you'll want to use them on the receiver terminals and speaker terminals.

I'm a 14ga speaker wire guy myself although I'm sure 16ga would work fine now. Just like the thickness of 14ga wire.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902

I have the Denon AVR 1613, it wont be too much for your s30 speakers at all. Actually would be really nice pairing.

Were you able to get the remote and microphone with your open box receiver?

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Do I need "high speed" HDMI? I already have 4 HDMI at home, but they're all about 4 years old.
They'll probably do just fine. Try them out, and if they don't work, get some newer ones.


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I have become a Sewell Deadbolt banana plug fan. Order these, love them and extremely easy to use.
http://sewelldirect.com/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Plugs-2-Pair-.asp

I would probably get more than two pair though because you'll want to use them on the receiver terminals and speaker terminals.

I'm a 14ga speaker wire guy myself although I'm sure 16ga would work fine now. Just like the thickness of 14ga wire.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902

I have the Denon AVR 1613, it wont be too much for your s30 speakers at all. Actually would be really nice pairing.

Were you able to get the remote and microphone with your open box receiver?

Yup....it included both. I was hoping everything would still look "new" but I saw a food stain on the remote so someone had obviously used it before. Oh well.....

Does anyone have a good tutorial thread or video for noobs for setting all this up. I honestly have no idea where to start with configurations. I'm scared I'm gonna somehow blow my speakers haha
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Ya....I tried reading it....and it made me even more confused frown.gif

Thanks for all the help guys.....this forums is amazing.....and sorry for all my ignorant questions.
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Just post your question in that forum. You'll get plenty of help.

Your setup is pretty simple with only 2 speakers.

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Decided to go ahead and order myself a sub. I do live on the 2nd floor so I don't want it to shake the house. Just something with some depth. Any advice on a sub 200 dollar sub?

I keep seeing the BIC F12 mentioned.....
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The bic and the Polk psw505 are often mention. I bought the klipsch synergy 10 inch sub from new egg for 179 last month. Good sub.

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I bought the klipsch synergy 10 inch sub from new egg for 179 last month. Good sub.

You picked one up. Cool. I was wondering how they sound.

Also, for another 10", there is the JBL SUB150P for $175 shipped at Newegg. Should work very well in an apartment with the S30 speakers.

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Quick help please. I'm at Home Depot right now looking for speaker wire. Nobody here knows much about it (myself included). The wire I see says its copper on 1 end and silver on the other. This is ok right? I keep reading about 100% copper so I'm confused. Thanks
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Quick help please. I'm at Home Depot right now looking for speaker wire. Nobody here knows much about it (myself included). The wire I see says its copper on 1 end and silver on the other. This is ok right? I keep reading about 100% copper so I'm confused. Thanks
If its GE Pro 14AWG wire with copper and silver(its just a silver finish over copper)..then yes it will work fine...I have used it before and thought is was good...your me a year ago looking at wire...smile.gif

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