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Hey guys,

Just to start, I'm brand new to the world of home audio so apoligies in advance for any ignorance. Thanks.

Ok, two weeks ago I bought my first ever home cinema equipment:

Onkyo txnr 414 receiver
Monitor Audio Vector 5.1 package
Panasonic DMBPD120 bluray player.

I also have an xbox 360 and 32inch Sony Bravia KDL series (plan to upgrade soon)


Overall i'm delighted with the performance of the system. I'm discovering films all over again and game performance is equally good. Unfortunately the music performance of the Vector's is quite lacking. I would describe the sound as "tinny" and very cheap. As i use the system pretty much equally between films, games and music I was wondering how might I upgrade the music performance?

Thanks for any suggestions, Mnms.
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Your system has small drivers, so you are probable experiencing a gap between the highest your sub can go and the lowest you sats can go...which means you are missing some lower midbass!

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Any suggestions as to how best to rectify the situation? smile.gif
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Get bigger speakers? smile.gif
Sorry, maybe someone can suggest some EQ you can do to get better sound for music...but small speakers with 3 inch- ish drivers just aren't going to be able to replicate the entire freq spectrum. You could increase the cross over from your sub to 120 hz or even higher...but then you are trading one problem for another. Your sub will be trying to reporduce sounds that it doesn't do very well and will become very directional.

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Would i be right in saying i could invest in 2 new speakers better suited to music and play music using 2.1 with 5.1 for games and movies. Is that advisable?
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From the way you are describing the sound you are experiencing as "tiny", I would agree that drivers size is lacking in creating a broad and deep soundstage. Turning up the volume is most likely only adding distortion and contributing to the issues you are experiencing. You could try some EQ, perhaps a boost of the treble a few decibels and maybe boosting the bass a little. But even this is not going to make a night and day difference. Also how big of a room are we talking about here. If the room is considerably large, than you are definitely going to need some large speakers.
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From the way you are describing the sound you are experiencing as "tiny", I would agree that drivers size is lacking in creating a broad and deep soundstage.
+1. Big sound requires big drivers. For the mains either 6.5 inch woofers or dual 5 inch would be the minimum, and for the sub no less than a twelve inch.

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Ok thanks for the suggestions.

Sorry I meat "TINNY" like shallow and too much reverb. Sorry, silly description smile.gif

The room I would describe as medium but it is by no means ideally shaped. Like I said the sound really fills the room for movies and games but for music it just sounds loud and shallow.

Since I'm happy with movie/games performance I thought the best think would be to buy larger left and right speakers and for music play through those and the sub?

Is this a good idea and if so any suggestions?

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How would, for example, a pair of monitor audio bx2 speakers imstead of the vector's as left and right speakers integrate with the rest of the system?
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I know nothing about the bx2, but yes, those would likely be much more full range and sound much better for music! However, you will have an issue with a unmatched center speaker and the small driver may struggle...which could make dialogue harder to hear. Eventually, you will want to upgrade the center!

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I know nothing about the bx2, but yes, those would likely be much more full range and sound much better for music! However, you will have an issue with a unmatched center speaker and the small driver may struggle...which could make dialogue harder to hear. Eventually, you will want to upgrade the center!

Agreed.

Although the Monitor Vectors also use some version of their C-CAM tweeters that are in the Bronze series. Might not be too bad a timbre match.

What you can do is try the new setup with both 5.1 and 4.1. You may find that the Bronze sound better without the Vector center.

Be sure to rerun Audyssey once you get your new speakers.

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