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Yes, yet another one of these threads....

I have been reading this forum until I can't think straight and recently started purchasing the various components of a new 5.1 system to set up alongside a new Vizio 60" LCD.

So far I've pulled the trigger on a Yamaha RX-673 for $400 and the Klipsch RW-12D off Newegg for $299.

Now I need the remaining 5 speakers.

The room is 14x22x8 with the TV on the 14 ft wall. The couch is about 9-10 feet from the TV and sort of divides the room. Placement of the surrounds is a little problematic as the left wall is much closer to the couch than the right wall and there is only around 2 ft between the couch and wall on that side. I currently have a cheap RCA HTIB and just placed the surrounds on a table directly behind the couch.
I know this is not ideal and will probably try to find a better position with the new speakers.

My remaining budget for 2 front, 1 center, and 2 surrounds is between $800 and $1200. $1200 is a pretty big stretch so it would have to be worth it.

The baseline I've thought about is the Pioneer setup like so:

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1360819202&sr=8-2&keywords=BS52-B

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1360819202&sr=8-2&keywords=BS52-B

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1360819202&sr=8-2&keywords=BS52-B

The Pioneer setup would come out to less than $500. And that includes free shipping. I've heard very good things about these speakers

Now I can afford a little more than that. I would be very happy to go $800 or even $1000 IF it would be a definite improvement in sound quality and esthetics.

I was fairly convinced that towers would be the preferred front choice but am not certain anymore. I've read some very good things about the Cambridge Audio S30's for example.

I also considered horns for awhile and was looking at the Acoustech PL-76 and 89's.

Downsides I've seen to the Pioneers are the 6 ohm impedance. I'm not certain how much this or the lower efficiency of these would affect me to tell the truth, but I was seriously set on higher efficiency for awhile. I'm also concerned about rear ports as I don't know if I'd have much more than 1 foot between the wall and the speaker.

Anyway, if anyone is still reading and you have suggestions in my price range that would be a definite step up from the Pioneer I would love to hear them.I hope to pull the trigger on something very soon as I already have the 673 and the sub should show up by Friday.

btw: forgot to mention the system will be 50/50 music and movies. What I really want is the best soundstage I can afford for music.
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Also look at the Infinity Primus, HSU Research HB-1, and Ascend Acoustics CMT & CBM series of speakers.

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OK, here is my dilemma.

I could put together a system with the Ascend Acoustics cbm 170 fronts, 340 center and htm 200 surrounds for $880 shipped.

How would these bookshelves compare to the Andrew Jones Pioneer towers? I would think the Ascends are better speakers, but would the towers sound better by virtue of the tower design?

I also looked at the Hsu offerings. A 5.0 setup of HB-1 and HC-1 Mk2 bookshelves would be around $890 shipped.

So there are the 3 systems I've most looked at. the 4th would be the BIC Acoustech PL76 towers with associated center and surrounds.

I think the Bookshelves probably look a little nicer. It might add to the cost if I had to buy stands, but that's not too big a deal.

Which of these options is likely to sound best and is it likely to be much of a difference sound quality wise?
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OK, here is my dilemma.

I could put together a system with the Ascend Acoustics cbm 170 fronts, 340 center and htm 200 surrounds for $880 shipped.

How would these bookshelves compare to the Andrew Jones Pioneer towers? I would think the Ascends are better speakers, but would the towers sound better by virtue of the tower design?

I personally would go with the Ascends over the Pioneers, but that's my personal preference.

However, if the idea of having extra drivers is important to you, there's always the option of running CMTs across the front with the Ascends. smile.gif

The CBM's are currently the same price as the HTMs and can work just as well for surrounds. What you could do is order a pair of CBMs and the CMT center, and try it out. If you find yourself really wanting to know how the CMTs across the front would sound, then you could make the leap. If you don't, then order another pair of CBMs or the HTMs.

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You've bought a very good receiver and a very good sub.

The HSU, Ascend, Pioneer, and Infintys all have their merits and are all considered excellent price/performance values on AVS. And you can drive yourself crazy trying to decide which is better for your taste and your room by reading forum posts which can't predict what you will like.

Spend a "demo" fee. Pick your two favorite and just order a pair of bookshelves of each. Compare them in home for a week, and then send a pair back (probably run you $30 or so). Then order the rest of the set of the ones you want. Well worth it to do that for peace of mind (no second guessing, or feeling like you rushed to decision so much). Everyone enjoys that experience of comparing them in home. Think about how fun that can be as the final step in this process of designing your own HT setup. And if you think about all the money you are putting into your new setup, it's a very small price to pay.

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I'm leaning towards the Ascend 170's at this point.

These Infinity's are in the mix now too: http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-P363-Three-way-Floorstanding/dp/B0046A8R3M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1360794139&sr=8-2&keywords=infinity+primus

I would consider the Ascends a step above the Infinity/Pioneer/Polk sound. They offer an in-home trial so aside from shipping them back, there is no risk. One thing to note about those Infinity Primus speakers, they are actually not 8ohm speakers as Audioholics found out in a test. If you want to power those speakers well, a receiver/amp with 4ohm ratings is preferred.

My advice is take a listen to the Ascends, I have only heard them briefly but they get fantastic reviews.

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So far it looks like Ascend is getting the nod of the choices mentioned.
I initially thought the HTH's would be better for surround, but as pointed out the price is the same as the CBM-170's. Would the port on the 170 be an issue for wall mounting?

I want to thank everyone who replied and welcome any further responses! This place has been very helpful and I am sure I will enjoy whatever I end up with!!!

I gotta say I am surprised a set of towers didn't get the more supporters, but it is probably due to the budget. Is there a set of Towers I haven't considered so far that would be worth considering?
What is the advantage/disadvantage(if any) of Towers over Bookshelves when paired with a decent sub?
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So far it looks like Ascend is getting the nod of the choices mentioned.
I initially thought the HTH's would be better for surround, but as pointed out the price is the same as the CBM-170's. Would the port on the 170 be an issue for wall mounting?

I want to thank everyone who replied and welcome any further responses! This place has been very helpful and I am sure I will enjoy whatever I end up with!!!

I gotta say I am surprised a set of towers didn't get the more supporters, but it is probably due to the budget. Is there a set of Towers I haven't considered so far that would be worth considering?
What is the advantage/disadvantage(if any) of Towers over Bookshelves when paired with a decent sub?

Well the HTM are good for wall mounting because they are sealed and more shallow. If you can get a mount that gives you a few inches of clearance behind the 170s, then that could be an option. Bookshelf speakers when combined with a good sub offer a lot of value.

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The more I look at the Ascend the more I want to go with 3 340's across the front and 2 170's in the surround. Along with the stands they make for the 340, I'd be in the $1300 neighborhood.

I hate myself......$1300 is definitely too much.

Any comments on what difference I could expect in sound between the 170 fronts or the 340 fronts?
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I have listened to the Ascend CMT340 a lot and that is one outstanding speaker...very balanced, pretty sensitive and crisp and clear!

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