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I'm wondering what would be a better value for the money...

First option isThe onkyo s7409 HTIB. Discounted to $400 at newegg...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882120191

Or I could go for the onkyo tx-nr414 and the monoprice 5.1 speaker setup that is supposed to be similar to the energy take 5.1 classic
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090601&p_id=9774&seq=1&format=2
With the discounts now that system would be ~$360

Or i could go up to the nr515 for $80 more.

Seems like the receiver on the HTIB is slightly better (i think its the nr609) but I'm unsure of the speakers included.

Are either of these setups a good value? Or can do better for the money. I would like to stay in the $400 range.
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Neither onkiyo or monoprice are know fir good speakers...so you will get what you pay for. But if 400 dollars is all you have, it will sound way better than tv speakers!
However, if that monoprice set is the rebadged energy takes, those would've my choice (of the two options)
You nay want to see if you can catch the Martin Logan mlt2 system...new egg has had that fir 250ish dollars and the drivers would be bigger than the takes!

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You really are not going to get much with that 400 dollar budget with a receiver and speakers. I would really looking at upping your budget another few hundred dollars and look at getting a good 2.1 or 3.1 or just plain 3 channel setup for now and expanding as you get more funds. Granted a HTIB style speaker will sound better than the built in speakers on your tv, but I would really look at holding out and spending a bit more money.

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Take the $400, buy a Denon 1612 from www.accessories4less.com and then buy a pair of Pioneer FS52 towers. Down the road, add a sub, or a center, but you will be building a much better setup in the long run. Even a simple 2.0 setup is going to sound better than a HTIB.

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I'm going to agree with this guy ^^

Those Pioneers sound really good, especially for their price range. I got to listen to them a bit and they really impressed me. Their not going to get super loud, but they will deffinately get louder and sound better doing it than small HTIB speakers.

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Thanks for the advice on the system, but I'm not sure if I want to spend more than my set budget, maybe I could go to $500... but thats even kind of stretching it.

Right now I'm using a very old/budget sony 5.1 HTIB that I got a few years ago on clearance at best buy for like $120 and even that sounds better than just the TV speakers, but the quality is definitely lacking compared to a better setup... however I don't know if I can justify spending several hundred dollars more. I should have noted that for the time being this system is only going to be a bedroom setup, and soon will be a studio or 1br apartment setup when I get my own place. So I won't have the opportunity to crank up the sound as loud as I want, I just need good quality sound for mostly gaming (some TV and movies as well, mostly ps3 and pc gaming though)

Thats why smaller speakers like the monoprice appealed to me. And cnet's review that was posted today is making these look pretty damn appealing. But I agree that I can do better on the receiver, so I may pony up a bit more for the Denon above, or possibly the 1613 since the network streaming and Airplay will be put to use quite often.
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Take the advice from someone who has learned the hard way... Either wait and save, or get a reciever and 2.0 for now! I have closet full of speakers I no longer like...
200 dollar budget receiver, either refurb or used and a pair of 200 dollar/pr speakers:
Polkm40s or whatever has replaced them...
Def tech sm350 pair...
CA s30s...

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Thanks for the advice on the system, but I'm not sure if I want to spend more than my set budget, maybe I could go to $500... but thats even kind of stretching it.

Right now I'm using a very old/budget sony 5.1 HTIB that I got a few years ago on clearance at best buy for like $120 and even that sounds better than just the TV speakers, but the quality is definitely lacking compared to a better setup... however I don't know if I can justify spending several hundred dollars more. I should have noted that for the time being this system is only going to be a bedroom setup, and soon will be a studio or 1br apartment setup when I get my own place. So I won't have the opportunity to crank up the sound as loud as I want, I just need good quality sound for mostly gaming (some TV and movies as well, mostly ps3 and pc gaming though)

Thats why smaller speakers like the monoprice appealed to me. And cnet's review that was posted today is making these look pretty damn appealing. But I agree that I can do better on the receiver, so I may pony up a bit more for the Denon above, or possibly the 1613 since the network streaming and Airplay will be put to use quite often.

I doubt you will gain much going from 1 HTIB setup to another. It may sound a little better but I can't imagine much. There will be lacking quality to any satellite speaker from a HTIB. Stretch out your budget 300 dollars more and get the Andrew jones speakers and a receiver. This will be worlds apart from any other HTIB.

You can find them a little cheaper from amazon or at your local best buy when they have a sale.

Tower package:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers/SP-PK52FS

Bookshelf package:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers/SP-PK22BS

Yamaha Reciever..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882115373


At the most your going to spend 700 bucks for any of this, if you shop around and depending on whether you go for all bookshelfs or the tower/bookshelf package you can probably find everything for a little over 500..

Don't be so stubborn here, spend a little more money and have sound that will blow any of the options you're looking for away.

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Take the $400, buy a Denon 1612 from www.accessories4less.com and then buy a pair of Pioneer FS52 towers. Down the road a sub, or a center, but you will be building a much better setup in the long run. Even a simple 2.0 setup is going to sound better than a HTIB.

Agreed. It is better to put more money towards a 2.0 setup to start and build on it.

However, if you are determined to stay close to $400 or so and buy a 5.1 set, get that Denon 1612 (that's a great receiver) and the Martin Logan MLT-2s at Newegg for $249 after promo code EMCYTZT2954 (sale ends tomorrow). The MLT-2s are considered significantly better than your average HTIB speaker set. They are rebadged Paradigm Cinema 90s: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_9_3/paradigm-cinema-speakers-9-2002.html (not sure if the sub is the same, though).

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Not to hijack this thread, but I was strongly considering the MLT-2 system, but in checking the reviews, it seems a lot of people are having problems with them, especially the sub. ( I'm also in the same position as the original poster, and I'm considering the monoprice branded Energy Take Classics, though I would be willing to spend a little more if something is worth it)
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Not to hijack this thread, but I was strongly considering the MLT-2 system, but in checking the reviews, it seems a lot of people are having problems with them, especially the sub. ( I'm also in the same position as the original poster, and I'm considering the monoprice branded Energy Take Classics, though I would be willing to spend a little more if something is worth it)

Perhaps they are having quality control issues with the sub. The Amazon reviews don't seem to indicate a problem, though. I would imagine it very likely that many of the complaints come from people who over drive the sub. People tend to have unreasonable expectations with many of these small these speaker set systems. They either put the setup in a very big room and run it very loud (not designed for that), or play a lot of dubstep with the bass boosted, as if they had bought some high quality/high output $500 sub.

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I'm wondering what would be a better value for the money...

First option isThe onkyo s7409 HTIB. Discounted to $400 at newegg...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882120191

Or I could go for the onkyo tx-nr414 and the monoprice 5.1 speaker setup that is supposed to be similar to the energy take 5.1 classic
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090601&p_id=9774&seq=1&format=2
With the discounts now that system would be ~$360

Or i could go up to the nr515 for $80 more.

Seems like the receiver on the HTIB is slightly better (i think its the nr609) but I'm unsure of the speakers included.

Are either of these setups a good value? Or can do better for the money. I would like to stay in the $400 range.

These guys are comparing themselves TO the Energy Take Classics? Why not opt for the Take Classics paired with the X-NR414? More of your money would be better spent on the speakers than the AVR anyway. That would be a great starter system for most rooms (of course, not extremely large rooms).

OR, you could opt for the often recommended for budget systems Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers. Wonderful quality, great sound that easily outclasses speakers 2-3 times their price! They offer floor standers, bookshelves, a center and a sub.

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If the monoprice speakers are the same as the Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers ( "i hear they are") and you must stay within your budget then go for them. I have the Energy Take Classic 5.1 set up with a Yamaha RX-V673 and it sounds surprisingly good in my living room. My room size is 16ft by 12ft with a low flat ceiling. It took about 30 to 40 hours play time on the speakers and some tinkering with all the different settings on the Yamaha receiver but it's pretty darn good for a satellite / sub system. Of coarse you can't buy the Yamaha RX-V673 within your budget but i don't see why the Yamaha RX-V373 for $177.00 at Newegg wouldn't work well. My brother lives in a small 1 bedroom apartment with a pretty good size living room and he just bought the Def Tech Pro Ciema 60 5.1 system for $249.99 from Newegg with a Yamaha RX-V473 receiver and he's very happy with it. It's great for a apartment where you can't turn it up real loud but still want some seperation for movie watching and music. He bought 4 floor speaker stands from Monoprice for the front and rear satellites. There like $13.95 a set. There adjustable for a wide range of height and work well with the small satellite speakers. Put the sub in a corner for the best bass output and you should be happy with it.
I had a HK 3490 receiver with Polk RTi-A5's for a 2.0 system hooked to my TV before the Yamaha / Energy combo. For music listening i did prefer the 2.0 set up with the towers but for movies i prefer the Yamaha RX-V673 with the Energy Take Classic 5.1 system hands down. One thing about the Energy Take Classic 5.1 system is the subwoofer is surprisingly strong for such a small sub and it blends real well with the Satellites speakers.

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