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As soon as I get the tracking numbers from Jeff, I have them redirected to the local FedEx store using the FedEx website so I can pick them up after work. It is a nice service, but does you absolutely no good at this point.
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Don't quote me on this....but I do know their have been times when I went to the local FedEx facility the same evening and my package was there ready to be picked up.

Did they leave you a little post-it/sticky thingie telling you where it might be?
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As soon as I get the tracking numbers from Jeff, I have them redirected to the local FedEx store using the FedEx website so I can pick them up after work. It is a nice service, but does you absolutely no good at this point.

Well, I've been fooled by FedEx. They were on a different truck than a delivery I had earlier today! I set up two of the three temporarily to play some tunes while studying. It's been a while since I heard the T8-LPs, but very similar from what I remember.

For right now, I'm running them full range at lower volumes (XDA-1 to UPA-200 to 228HT). They do surprisingly well being run like that. I have them running in place of a couple Insignia NS-B2111, and even though they are rated down to 50hz, they do not dig near as low as the 228HT. I cannot wait to get these in their resting place and put them to work!

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Don't quote me on this....but I do know their have been times when I went to the local FedEx facility the same evening and my package was there ready to be picked up.

Did they leave you a little post-it/sticky thingie telling you where it might be?
Yes they had done this. This was why I thought I missed them, as they left the other package even though the post-it said a signature was needed. That is why I thought I had missed them.

When they came with them, I was so giddy that I'm not even sure I signed my name. It might have come out more like blahblah biggrin.gif

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Look what the FedEx man brought me today!!!

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Now for the bad news...
I am two weeks away from drywall in my theater and have to leave my new toys sitting all alone in a room upstairs....guess I now have some extra motivation to get my build complete!

I just could not pass up the intro price but now I have to be stare at these things just sitting idle...

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Now for the bad news...
I am two weeks away from drywall in my theater and have to leave my new toys sitting all alone in a room upstairs....guess I now have some extra motivation to get my build complete!

I just could not pass up the intro price but now I have to be stare at these things just sitting idle...

Jeff - Thanks for the awesome speakers! There were packed like a tank and arrived without any problems!

228's? They look pretty massive!
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228's? They look pretty massive!

That they are! They weigh 75lbs each. Jeff builds rock solid stuff.

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That they are! They weigh 75lbs each. Jeff builds rock solid stuff.

When Archaea brought his 228's over my place my first thought was, "awww they're such cute little guys - mini me's to my speakers." biggrin.gif

Funny how perceptions change, I didn't think the 888 was small back when I saw it but that was before I saw and bought the 212 Noesis.


Awesome looking picture by the way, speaker porn for sure. cool.gif
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BTW, are you sure you can't hook them up temporarily and crank up some music? smile.gif
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Kma100, I know your pain. I'm still about a month away from finishing my basement. I put them in my bedroom. They are too close together, take up too much space and sound wonderful!

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Kma100, I know your pain. I'm still about a month away from finishing my basement. I put them in my bedroom. They are too close together, take up too much space and sound wonderful!

The only "pain" is that I have T8-LP's and keep wondering if I should upgrade :-)
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LOL, I am sure I will "find" a way to hook them up very soon...

I was in bed last night trying to think of a good excuse to tell my wife how three fairly large black boxes magically appeared in our family room next to the TV but I just could not come up with a good one. I thought I might tell her that Santa put them there for me but since it's April I am not certain that would work. biggrin.gif

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LOL, I am sure I will "find" a way to hook them up very soon...

I was in bed last night trying to think of a good excuse to tell my wife how three fairly large black boxes magically appeared in our family room next to the TV but I just could not come up with a good one. I thought I might tell her that Santa put them there for me but since it's April I am not certain that would work. biggrin.gif

Well, same here for me...trying hard to convince my gf about the difference between beauty and good sound. Not that i find the 228's ugly.....in my eyes they just like a...just like a dance at the castle!!
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Well, same here for me...trying hard to convince my gf about the difference between beauty and good sound. Not that i find the 228's ugly.....in my eyes they just like a...just like a dance at the castle!!
Put them behind an acoustically transparent screen so that you don't have to do any convincing.
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That they are! They weigh 75lbs each. Jeff builds rock solid stuff.
You are not kidding. My 212's are 125lbs each and just solid as a rock.
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Now for the bad news...
I am two weeks away from drywall in my theater and have to leave my new toys sitting all alone in a room upstairs....guess I now have some extra motivation to get my build complete!

I just could not pass up the intro price but now I have to be stare at these things just sitting idle...

Jeff - Thanks for the awesome speakers! There were packed like a tank and arrived without any problems!
Great pick! You are going to love them.
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The only "pain" is that I have T8-LP's and keep wondering if I should upgrade :-)

Those are great speakers. I had those and sold them. I sometimes wonder if I made a mistake because the 228's are so much bigger. I'm going to have to wait until my basement is finished to make that call.

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Just received my order from Jeff (thanks!): 3x228HT for LCR in dedicated HT. Also received 2xSingle 8HT-LP for sides, slanted 8's for rears (7.1 system).
These are replacing B&W N804's and HTM3 across the front. I'm remodeling my HT (perf screen, columns, soffits, stage, etc), so it will be a few weeks before I have the whole system in and dialed in with Audyssey.

But I couldn't resist (and also had to make sure they survived shipping) doing an abbreviated A-B between my B&W fronts and the JTR 228's. So using an Integra 9.9 pre with Cinenova 7x300w amp, Audyssey tuned for the B&W's and did not re-run Audyssey for JTR's, also used my current in-walls for sides/rears, not the new JTR's.

Watched scenes from The Hobbit, The Avengers both on BD, Rock of Ages on HBO, an American Idol DVR recorded. Watched/listened to all three with 228's, then all three with the B&W 804/HTM3 so just a memory listening test, not scientific at all.

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JTR excelled on vocals big time on all 3 sources, could actually hear actors breathing, so vocals bested the B&W setup. Did need to turn up hte sub (JR Audo F113) a bit, and also did not re-run the sub setup either. JTR's noticeably brighter, but played crips highs at higher volumes. A different sound than the B&W but for me an overall improvement in my room.

B&W more subtle, but overall preferred the JTR's for sure for home theater which my room is 100%. I think that when I finish the room (also will have more room treatment than currently), all 7 JTR's installed, Audyssey and sub management calibrated, it will be quite satisfying
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Mark you might have to turn up the sub quite a bit (I know you said you turned it up some) to match up to the JTR's since they are so much more sensitive. That should tame some brightness.

I got to hear the single 8's yesterday for the first time, you are going to love your surrounds. I've heard almost all JTR stuff except triple 12's, but still I was surprised at how good the single 8 sounds. Everyone says that and now I see why.
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I have a question about subwoofer requirements needed to support the Noesis 228s. This one could fit in either this thread or the JTR Captivator S thread. Let me give you some background and I apologize in advance for this long-winded post to get to a simple question.

Noesis Listening Impressions:
I listened to the Noesis 212s (with dual Cap S2 subs) with music at the NE GTG a few weeks ago. Putting the 212s volume output aside, I was shocked at how crisp and clean the 212s sound was. The crisp and clean sound indicated to me this speaker’s ability to provide incredible detail regardless of volume. My thoughts immediately turned to how these speakers would be awesome for home theater (both dialogue and action movies), playing movie soundtracks due to their dynamics and clarity.
However, I have to admit the sound of the Noesis is a sound my ears are not used to and there is concern about treble sensitivity, even though there was not a point while listening to the Noesis that would lead me to confirm such a problem would exist (this is based on a past experience demoing a Klipsch horn based compression driver). Also, I’m not so sure the Noesis would be the right speaker for me if I was a music listener. The sound is just very different to me and of course this is a matter of subjectivity.

Theater Room :
I have an approximate 3,500 cubic feet theater in my basement. My screen is mounted on a wall and is not an AT screen. Even though my current front stage is visible, speaker aesthetics is no longer an issue for me (not that the Noesis look bad). I care much more about function as opposed to beauty.

Objectives:
I’m currently thinking about replacing my current audio system later in the year and moving my Ascend Sierras upstairs to the family room for music listening and flat screen duties. My timing of this move is toward the end of this year and I’m researching and listening to a some different systems solely for movies in mind, including the Noesis 228s and the Cat 8s.
Since the use of my audio system in my home theater is 100% movies (and some TV), what’s become important to me is dynamics and clarity (from a range of low - moderate volume scenes to the high volume action scenes), more so than planning for a speaker that would better fit my needs for listening to music.

Sub Needs: I have a preference for sealed subs that provide quality sound (tight and punchy setup is always a goal) as opposed to subs that are good for solely sheer output and the boom. Even though I would love the S2, it’s not an option because (a) getting the sub down in my basement would be the ultimate nightmare; (b) I will not be able to sneak a 200 pound sub past my wife (she may not care about the looks of the speakers in the basement, however, she hates subs and I’m adjusting her attitude 1 sub at a time); and (c) financial resources.
However, one S1 to start would be ideal in terms of size (movement and WAF), real estate footprint and financial resources.

Question: Is one S1 able to support a Noesis 228 front stage or is this just not enough output based on my theater’s room size combined with the sensitivity of the 228s? My concern is about the potential for brightness if the bass output is not enough to keep up with the 228s. Let me know your thoughts.
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Depends on how loud you want to go!

The there 228ht will certainly outrun the single s1. Two s1 subs are more appropriate if you want to listen to refrence level playback with the subs several dB hot (like most of us like) in a 3500 cubic foot room.

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The 228ht were playing 16dB over reference on Book of Eli surround speaker duty and while the drivers were moving they still sounded perfectly clean through my ear plugs. tongue.gif

By contrast the 212ht drivers were barely moving at those same levels on front sound stage duty.


So. If you need over say 18 or 20dB above reference in a 6000 cubic foot room like dlbeck has - then you might consider the 212ht.

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I mention the above to basically say you probably won't ever be spl limited by JTR mains. It'll nearly always be a subwoofer limitation in comparison.

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Depends on how loud you want to go!

The there 228ht will certainly outrun the single s1. Two s1 subs are more appropriate if you want to listen to refrence level playback with the subs several dB hot (like most of us like) in a 3500 cubic foot room.

Most of the time, I'll listen at moderate volume levels (5 to 10 db below reference on average). Occasionally, would like to listen at reference level (average 85db with typical movie soundtrack spikes i.e. action scenes). Can't see a situation where I'm running significantly hotter than reference. Is a single S1 just not enough for the occasional reference level with a movie? Two S1s is definitely outside the budget. Any other sub suggestions in a range of $2.5K for 2 subs that will keep up with the 228s?
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I have a question about subwoofer requirements needed to support the Noesis 228s. This one could fit in either this thread or the JTR Captivator S thread. Let me give you some background and I apologize in advance for this long-winded post to get to a simple question.

Noesis Listening Impressions:
I listened to the Noesis 212s (with dual Cap S2 subs) with music at the NE GTG a few weeks ago. Putting the 212s volume output aside, I was shocked at how crisp and clean the 212s sound was. The crisp and clean sound indicated to me this speaker’s ability to provide incredible detail regardless of volume. My thoughts immediately turned to how these speakers would be awesome for home theater (both dialogue and action movies), playing movie soundtracks due to their dynamics and clarity.
However, I have to admit the sound of the Noesis is a sound my ears are not used to and there is concern about treble sensitivity, even though there was not a point while listening to the Noesis that would lead me to confirm such a problem would exist (this is based on a past experience demoing a Klipsch horn based compression driver). Also, I’m not so sure the Noesis would be the right speaker for me if I was a music listener. The sound is just very different to me and of course this is a matter of subjectivity.

Theater Room :
I have an approximate 3,500 cubic feet theater in my basement. My screen is mounted on a wall and is not an AT screen. Even though my current front stage is visible, speaker aesthetics is no longer an issue for me (not that the Noesis look bad). I care much more about function as opposed to beauty.

Objectives:
I’m currently thinking about replacing my current audio system later in the year and moving my Ascend Sierras upstairs to the family room for music listening and flat screen duties. My timing of this move is toward the end of this year and I’m researching and listening to a some different systems solely for movies in mind, including the Noesis 228s and the Cat 8s.
Since the use of my audio system in my home theater is 100% movies (and some TV), what’s become important to me is dynamics and clarity (from a range of low - moderate volume scenes to the high volume action scenes), more so than planning for a speaker that would better fit my needs for listening to music.

Sub Needs: I have a preference for sealed subs that provide quality sound (tight and punchy setup is always a goal) as opposed to subs that are good for solely sheer output and the boom. Even though I would love the S2, it’s not an option because (a) getting the sub down in my basement would be the ultimate nightmare; (b) I will not be able to sneak a 200 pound sub past my wife (she may not care about the looks of the speakers in the basement, however, she hates subs and I’m adjusting her attitude 1 sub at a time); and (c) financial resources.
However, one S1 to start would be ideal in terms of size (movement and WAF), real estate footprint and financial resources.

Question: Is one S1 able to support a Noesis 228 front stage or is this just not enough output based on my theater’s room size combined with the sensitivity of the 228s? My concern is about the potential for brightness if the bass output is not enough to keep up with the 228s. Let me know your thoughts.
My room is about half the size of yours and I have an S2 so the comparison may not be all that valuable, but I do not feel that I anywhere near the limits of the S2 when paired with the 228's. I think I have the gain knob at -12 to the volume of the test tones from my prepro to 75 db at my listening position 11 feet away. Therefore in my room, in theory I would turn the gain to -6 with an S1 and in a room double the size sitting farther from the sub you could leave the gain at 0 and probably be able to hit reference. The 228's will go beyond that, and above reference you might run out of sub output. Worst case scenerio, if the output does not cut it, you could add a second sub down the road.

Of course, this is all in theory with sketchy math.
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Another option would be multiple DIY 18's. (Maybe 4)
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Another option would be multiple DIY 18's. (Maybe 4)

Thanks for both responses. When it comes to DIY anything, its just not in my DNA. If I go the direction of the 228s, as you pointed out may have to try with a single S1, see how it goes and then decide if I go back for more. My concern is really the possibility of brightness and thinking about it I can always EQ the treble with my AVR. Unless, I can gain greater output with 2 alternative subs within my price range.
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Originally Posted by Rob from NJ View Post

I can always EQ the treble with my AVR.

Rob I do that when I am playing music that isn't well recorded, which is a lot actually since I love metal. I pull down 2khz 1.5 db's and 4khz 2.5 db's on the manual MCACC eq settings on my receiver. I have found that harshness does not equal the really high frequencies like many people think, instead it's right around 4 khz.

I am very sensitive to harsh sounding speakers and I can assure you I NEVER get any listener fatigue whatsoever with my 212's. In fact, all they do is just keep sounding better during a listening session.
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