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What do you Noesis guys use for surrounds? Anyone using JTR Single8HT's? It looks like those are designed as surround speakers, not mains. Are they a pretty good match when used as surrounds with Noesis's?

Yes they are. I'm using Slanted 8's as surround backs and height speakers. They are perfect for high on the wall or ceiling mounting and match up well with the Noesis (I have 212HT-LP's). The single 8's are essentially the same speakers.
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I was shocked when I saw that these will be sold for 1199 each. I was thinking they would be much closer to 1500. With the pre order price of 999 it is just ridiculous. Anyone on the fence with buying JTR speakers should jump on this! IMO you get a speaker that sounds better than the 888 for 200 less per speaker!

I'm considering them myself as my left and right side surround speakers. I may have to wait a while and miss out on the pre-order price, but honestly 1199 per is still a great price.


Gee, I expected them to cost $149 each.
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Gee, I expected them to cost $149 each.

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No kidding. Why bother reviving a post from 6 weeks ago to add that comment. Nice rolleyes.gif

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Gee, I expected them to cost $149 each.
Anybody care to sell me some at $149 each? smile.gif

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Seeing the single compression driver in them costs $200-$300ish means the whole speaker isn't selling for $149.

Cabinet, two additional 8" drivers, horn, crossovers, paint, terminals, labor, shipping, profit. Yeah that sort of explains it.

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Apparently I missed all the action today, I'm glad I did, but I think I should be able to answer a couple of these questions more clearly publically.

My point in mentioning the Salk vs. JTR 212HT wasn't to cause a fight - not at all. My point was that everyone around here recognizes the Salk as an excellent speaker. I think it is an excellent speaker too (I rated it third in Wisconsin, and my favorite among the audiophile speakers) -- (though I'm not a huge fan of the center channel as it seems to be voiced differently than the towers) Anyway at the Des Moines blind meet the Noesis 212HT statistically tied the accoladed Salk for music and easily bested them for movies in unbiased blind voting of about 10 avsforum enthusiasts at a meet in DesMoines that dlbeck put on. We had a little mini-meet at carps house comparing the 212HT and the 228HT and three of the four people attending felt the 228HT was nearly if not exactly identical to the 212HT for movie performance towards reference volumes, though all four agreed the Noesis 212HT had some level of edge for music performance. Still at half the price -- and offering similar 'top choice" movie performance - the Noesis 228HT are an amazing value! I'm sorry I didn't communicate that more clearly - I will edit the first post to reflect such. My attempt at that comparison was nothing more than to validate value of the 228HT.

Agenda? Yes - to promote a great speaker at a intro (limited time) price, so that fellow enthusiasts can learn more about the product.

Am I working for JTR? - No - just a enthused owner! I get no kickback from JTR.

Where is it noted that you can't start a thread with a intro price in the title?


This is advice that people can take or not: If you have time on teh "blind" tests: Have each person run through the test twice. If all but one person repeats their choice, then you could likely say that it was a reasonably valid comparison. If people are all over the map, then you could say people could not tell a difference. If you get repeatability and then you get 50/50 split you could say that people were evenly split on their preference. Again, if they can't repeat their preference, you could say people could not tell the difference between speakers.

This is just my suggestion as someone with some background on subjective measurement systems.

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Anyone in the Pittsburgh PA area have any of the Noesis speakers?

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Also, the dimensions on JTR's site are listed as

26.5″x12.25″x14″

Which is the side to side dimension if standing on end?

If it is 12.25 I can probably make them fit. It it is 14 I will have to wait until I get an AT screen (and then the 212's would fit!)

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Also, the dimensions on JTR's site are listed as

26.5″x12.25″x14″

Which is the side to side dimension if standing on end?

If it is 12.25 I can probably make them fit. It it is 14 I will have to wait until I get an AT screen (and then the 212's would fit!)

It's H/W/D so 12.25" is the width with the speaker configured vertically.
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Man, reading up on all of this. I just can't wait coming April. Going up to JTR shop. Demo some speakers. Then make my purchase there. As of right now I'm on decided.. 212HT LCR + single or slanted 8 surrounds.. Or 215HT LR + 212HT center and a good amp.. Or 210HT LR + 212HT center + single or slanted 8 surrounds.. Then I can officially say I have a JTR 7.4 system. Straight up! JTR's! Though most likely the first and third option..
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It's H/W/D so 12.25" is the width with the speaker configured vertically.

Thanks. That is what I thought.

These would barely fit as I have my setup right now on either side of the screen.

Center may be a problem. My current center is right at the bottom of my screen and is only 9 inches high. I would have to get a new stand (holds all of my av equip plus the center speaker or move the whole stand to the right and run the 228 vertically for a center under my screen, not sure that is ideal.

Does anyone know if the price just went up by $100 on Friday?? I swear I was looking at these on Friday morning and sent an email inquiry to Jeff. Looked later in the afternoon and they were $1300.

Would the 228 give up any high bass punch to the 212's in the 80-200hz region? That is where I am really lacking in my system currently. I have 3 PSA Triax's as my subs and am crossing them over at 150hz because my current mains and center seem to lack in this region. I am getting much better impact with the crossover raised.

I just just don't want to spend $4k on 3 of these speakers and then be second guessing!!

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Thanks. That is what I thought.

These would barely fit as I have my setup right now on either side of the screen.

Center may be a problem. My current center is right at the bottom of my screen and is only 9 inches high. I would have to get a new stand (holds all of my av equip plus the center speaker or move the whole stand to the right and run the 228 vertically for a center under my screen, not sure that is ideal.

Does anyone know if the price just went up by $100 on Friday?? I swear I was looking at these on Friday morning and sent an email inquiry to Jeff. Looked later in the afternoon and they were $1300.

Would the 228 give up any high bass punch to the 212's in the 80-200hz region? That is where I am really lacking in my system currently. I have 3 PSA Triax's as my subs and am crossing them over at 150hz because my current mains and center seem to lack in this region. I am getting much better impact with the crossover raised.

I just just don't want to spend $4k on 3 of these speakers and then be second guessing!!

The price increase was effective Jan 1st/2014.

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Thanks. That is what I thought.

These would barely fit as I have my setup right now on either side of the screen.

Center may be a problem. My current center is right at the bottom of my screen and is only 9 inches high. I would have to get a new stand (holds all of my av equip plus the center speaker or move the whole stand to the right and run the 228 vertically for a center under my screen, not sure that is ideal.

Does anyone know if the price just went up by $100 on Friday?? I swear I was looking at these on Friday morning and sent an email inquiry to Jeff. Looked later in the afternoon and they were $1300.

Would the 228 give up any high bass punch to the 212's in the 80-200hz region? That is where I am really lacking in my system currently. I have 3 PSA Triax's as my subs and am crossing them over at 150hz because my current mains and center seem to lack in this region. I am getting much better impact with the crossover raised.

I just just don't want to spend $4k on 3 of these speakers and then be second guessing!!

Have you used REW or Omnimic to see if it's really your speakers or your room/setup that is lacking in that region? No reason to spend a bunch of money if it's something you could correct with your current speakers.
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Rayinst,

First, realize you're talking about an 8" woofer handling midbass duty. Now realize, you can't compare the JTR 8" speaker to a mainstream brands 6.5". This isn't because JTR uses some special speaker technology, nope, that's not it. The reason is that many brands have 3.5, 4, 5.5, or 6.5 speakers handling midbass duty and some even go lower to say 60 Hz. But with their speakers lower sensitivity, they won't play as loud or won't be as dynamic as the JTRs. It isn't due to technology, it's due to philosophy. Jeff and JTR started in the pro audio realm, which requires speakers to play louder to handle large venues.

To continue, let's stop talking about the 228 as the 212 will help me make my point easier but the same applies to the 228. So why does Jeff use not 1 but 2 12" midbass speakers when many companies would be happy to have a 12" sub in their speakers. The compression driver in the 212 is so efficient that normal speakers can't keep up. So to get the midbass region to be strong enough to keep up with the 212s compression driver, he ended up having to go with not 1 but a pair of 12" woofers. But since Jeff's criteria is for sensitive, loud, dynamic sound, he designed the 212s to play down to 60-70hz loudly whereas most companies would have designed their speakers to play low with a pair of 12" woofers. The same applies to the 228 but since that compression driver isn't as sensitive, he could get away with a pair of 8" woofers to play down to 80Hz as he wanted.

One other thing I'll say is that JTR speakers meet and likely exceed their specs even at loud volumes. No question in my mind if Jeff says a speaker will do X, it will do X and do it louder than just about any other normal speaker on the planet...even with a decent receiver.

I give you all this background because only you can determine if the 228 will meet your needs. I would assume the 228 would meet your midbass needs but neither one of us will know until you get the speakers in your room. I went with 212HT-LPs, partially because I didn't want to have any doubt in the back of my head and I don't plan to buy new speakers for the next 20 years. I will say that sometimes I wonder if I should have gone with the 228, even though I haven't heard one, simply due to ease of placement in my room. Based on what I have read on this forum, I think you would be ecstatic with the 228, especially if this is primarily for HT use. But even for music use I would assume the 228 is better than most speakers on the market at any price.

Good luck with your decision...the good news is you can't go wrong with either.

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Have you used REW or Omnimic to see if it's really your speakers or your room/setup that is lacking in that region? No reason to spend a bunch of money if it's something you could correct with your current speakers.

I haven't yet, but I do plan to. My mains are EmpTek E55ti's and the center is E56ci.

The reason I think it is my speakers is that when I cross my Triax's over at 150 instead of 80 it sounds so much better (minus a little bit of localization).

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By the way, L0nestar just posted a review of his 228s.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1165099/official-jtr-speaker-thread/14760#post_24205195
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Just placed my order for LCR 228's today, can't wait!

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you've got a good thing coming raynist!

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The 228s have my full attention I'm a 50/50 music movie guy. Marantz 8801 av pre, parasound a21 amplifier for left and right and an acurus a250 for my center. I have not read on bad thing about these speakers but for some reason I can't talk my self in to buying them. I'm currently using polk lsim 703 speakers and a polk lsic center channel. I've listened to klipsch palladium p17 and absolutely loved the horn loaded mid and highs. I just am wondering the house sound the 228s will have. The polks are warm, detailed, and disappear with a wide sound stage. I would be purchasing 3 228s and be using them with my svs sb 2000 subwoofers. Opinions please. Thanks, Chris

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The 228s have my full attention I'm a 50/50 music movie guy. Marantz 8801 av pre, parasound a21 amplifier for left and right and an acurus a250 for my center. I have not read on bad thing about these speakers but for some reason I can't talk my self in to buying them. I'm currently using polk lsim 703 speakers and a polk lsic center channel. I've listened to klipsch palladium p17 and absolutely loved the horn loaded mid and highs. I just am wondering the house sound the 228s will have. The polks are warm, detailed, and disappear with a wide sound stage. I would be purchasing 3 228s and be using them with my svs sb 2000 subwoofers. Opinions please. Thanks, Chris
Where are you located Chris? If you can't talk yourself into buying them, perhaps there's a 228 owner around your area willing to have you over for a demo.

Now, queue chorus of fellas telling you that an LCR of 228's will run away from dual SB2000's. biggrin.gif
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Where are you located Chris? If you can't talk yourself into buying them, perhaps there's a 228 owner around your area willing to have you over for a demo.

Now, queue chorus of fellas telling you that an LCR of 228's will run away from dual SB2000's. biggrin.gif

I'm located in northern ct. Willing drive and hour or two, it would be great to listen to a pair.

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Chris - Post on the official JTR speaker thread as there is a lot more traffic there and I know there are several JTR owners in your neck of the woods.
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When my 228's arrive next month, I need to decide what I am going to do with my center channel. I can build a stand about 16 inches high and place it horizontally just below the screen. My other option would be to stand it vertically below the screen, maybe slightly angled up but for the most part sitting on the ground. I may be able to raise it an inch or two.

I know a vertical center is preferred, would that still be true if it is so low to the ground?

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When my 228's arrive next month, I need to decide what I am going to do with my center channel. I can build a stand about 16 inches high and place it horizontally just below the screen. My other option would be to stand it vertically below the screen, maybe slightly angled up but for the most part sitting on the ground. I may be able to raise it an inch or two.

I know a vertical center is preferred, would that still be true if it is so low to the ground?

That is a tough one. My guess is that you will be better off with a horizontal configuration, getting the horn as close to the screen as possible. I think the slight benefits of running the center vertical would be outweighed by the vocals coming from below the screen.
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Actually when I get them, if mookie B is interested we could compare them to his newer T8-LP's.
Did you ever do this comparison?

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Did you ever do this comparison?
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