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I am ready to purchase the Jamo but am waiting for Tuesday to see if the store will price match. Then while I was waiting I came across a pair of Energy RC-70's for the same price. The Energy's are obviously better but is it a big enough leap to justify not getting the Jamo 5.0 and going for a 2.0?
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I am ready to purchase the Jamo but am waiting for Tuesday to see if the store will price match. Then while I was waiting I came across a pair of Energy RC-70's for the same price. The Energy's are obviously better but is it a big enough leap to justify not getting the Jamo 5.0 and going for a 2.0?
fwiw,imo its well worth to start with a a nice pair of speakers like the rc-70's for a solid front foundation and slowly build from there in the long run it will be well worth it in sound quality.just my 2 cents

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fwiw,imo its well worth to start with a a nice pair of speakers like the rc-70's for a solid front foundation and slowly build from there in the long run it will be well worth it in sound quality.just my 2 cents

I would normally agree with this ... in this situation the added consideration might be availability of matching components. The RC-70's are universally well regarded speakers but finding the matching center (I believe it's the RC-LCR) could be difficult - i.e. hard to find one, or, if you find one it could be very expensive.

Surrounds and sub don't need to match as much as the front three (LCR) so that's not an issue.

You mention price matching - what's the price on the RC-70's/Jamo s606 set?
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Jamo set for $625 but I am trying to get them to price match Sound Distributors which is out of stock. RC-70's for $299 ea. I don't want a sub and the Jamo's have the 8inch side woofer.

The RC's have good freq response, probably better than the Jamo but I still don't know if its a big enough upgrade to forgo a complete 5.0.

Center is around $300-400 for the center eek.gif maybe a phantom center will be alright if I go the energy route.
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RC-70 are on sale for $299 each at frys , this sale is practically a steal and wont be for too long frys is the only store selling this speakers right now, this a discontinued product but is a quality product ,if you dont get then you will miss a excellent sale I wouldn't think twice, The jamos are not even close to the RC-70.

THE ENERGY RC-70 SOUND AND BUILD QUALITY IS FAR BETTER.

If you go to the energy thread there are people that from time to time sale speakers and also you can find a good sale on ebay just keep an eye on the thread and ebay.




check my video link below of the RC-70s.
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Ok before I decide can anyone tell me how the Energy speakers sound? Are they very similar to the Pioneer FS52's? I ask because I didn't like the sound of the vocals of the 52's. The Pioneer's details sounded VERY nice but the pioneer's had a boring sound and dialogue was way too feint for my ears.
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I have them and love them!!! Cranking em right now and they sound great!! I am confident you will enjoy them especially for that price!!
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Ok before I decide can anyone tell me how the Energy speakers sound? Are they very similar to the Pioneer FS52's? I ask because I didn't like the sound of the vocals of the 52's. The Pioneer's details sounded VERY nice but the pioneer's had a boring sound and dialogue was way too feint for my ears.
the pioneers are nice but not inthe same ball park of the rc-70's

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Agreed. The RC-70s are in a different class from the Pioneers. Much better speakers.

The only reason not to get them is if you hope to build a 5.1 set around them. The RC/LCR center channel is not readily available and pretty expensive where it is since Energy is apparently phasing out the line. You'd want to get the center channel soon, or you'd have to watch for it used.

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Now if I get the floorstanders is there a good alternative for a center? Maybe even from a different brand? I'm a little confused when it comes to centers as I have read that phantom centers are just as good and others say it's the most important speaker.
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This speakers where for 2,000 per pair years ago and they where well sale at the price.

If you are not convince there are many reviews out there about the RC-70.


http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_rc70.htm

here is the conclusion about the review.

In my introduction I asked whether the RC-70 might set a new sonic standard at their price. More specifically, I wondered if $2000 really is the point of diminishing returns for a pair of floorstanding speakers. Although the RC-70s are wonderful, I still think that this honor is reserved for speakers that cost closer to $5000, where the competition is especially fierce. Many companies offer models around this figure, and I've heard some I liked more than the RC-70s. However, that the RC-70s get very close to the quality of these considerably more expensive designs is an important point. Their sound is extremely satisfying in so many regards, and they are such highly resolving and refined transducers that I can imagine many music lovers (myself included) living happily with them for a very long time.

My advice to potential buyers of the RC-70s would be to spend money on quality electronics to extract everything they have to offer. They can sound very good with budget gear, but their performance was elevated as the quality of the upstream components improved. The RC-70s are certainly revealing. When fed a signal that is as refined as they are, the result is so impressive that one might forget all about upgrading and simply get on with just listening to music. If this isn't the point of being an audiophile, I don't know what is.
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Now if I get the floorstanders is there a good alternative for a center? Maybe even from a different brand? I'm a little confused when it comes to centers as I have read that phantom centers are just as good and others say it's the most important speaker.

Phantom centers are better than a mismatched center, but not better than having a good matching speaker for a center channel.

A good center needs to timbre match with the front left/right to create a smooth front soundstage. Typically the only way to do this is to get either an identical third speaker to the left/right or a center from the same speaker model line. It's just too difficult to guess what other center from another manufacturer might match (odds are highly against it).

So you could order three of the RC-70s if you have room for a tower speaker standing up under your TV biggrin.gif But seriously, that would be cheaper than buying the RC-LCR for what it is right now through Amazon (and no telling how much stock of that is left).

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I bought mine when there where at $499. each so you are getting a incredible deal.
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There is a person selling some RC-10 at the energy thread, You can buy a pair of those and use one as a center then later if you found a good deal on a energy center ,buy the center and then use the RC-10 as surrounds.


also there some RC-10 on ebay right now.


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Well you guys have convinced me. Now the speakers say a 33hz response and 26hz for bass. Will a subwoofer still be necessary for these towers? Can I get by without one?
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Depends what your using them for and how much power your amp has. If you are using them just for music and such then no real subwoofer needed but if you are using this is a hometheather setup I suggest a subwoofer

But with the RC70's for hometheater use I would try to start tracking down an RC-LCR center first
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Ok what about this center: Energy Veritas V-5.2. Will this be a close enough match? The towers of the Veritas and RC line look very similar so I'm hoping this may be good enough.

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Veritas-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B005APT1FK/ref=sr_1_1?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1361159098&sr=1-1&keywords=energy
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To the OP.

You got some really good advise in this thread.

The RC-70's are great speakers. At $600 a pair, they are FANTASTIC speakers. As others have said, now you need a center and the RC-LCR is very hard to find. As losservatore said, you can use the RC-10's as a center with the 70's and it works very well. I used 2 RC-10's as a center with RC-30's as my L/R and was very happy.

One thing to remember, the RC line has been discontinued.....kinda. People have been saying for some time - you won't be able to get them after this sale (myself included). The RC-LCR stock dried up about 18 months ago. Everyone thought that was it. Then about a year ago they were available on a few websites at crazy low prices. Same thing happened with the 70's. It looked they were gone then they showed up at Fry's but they were $1200 a pair. Everyone waited and it paid off. The good folks over at the Energy thread always post a deal when it happens.

My point is, this seems like the speaker model that just won't go away. When you think - OK that's it, they are gone - they pop up somewhere.

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Ok what about this center: Energy Veritas V-5.2. Will this be a close enough match? The towers of the Veritas and RC line look very similar so I'm hoping this may be good enough.

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Veritas-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B005APT1FK/ref=sr_1_1?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1361159098&sr=1-1&keywords=energy
Might work. you can fine RC-LCR's on ebay I saw a couple with a couple new in box
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Now will I need to replace my 80w Onkyo TX-NR509 Receiver to power these? Also how are the 5.0 Energy Veritas V-mini's for $379 in comparison? I can probably cancel the RC-70's before they ship if the V-Mini's are just as good when paired with a sub. Sorry to ask this after all the great advice I have received. I am only wondering since these are from Energy's higher Veritas line.
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Your receiver would be fine with the RC-70s.

The V-Minis are very good for what they are: small speakers. However, if you would eventually build out the RC-70s into a 5.1 setup, it would slay the V-Mini set. No comparison. Like trying to compare a motorcycle to a moped biggrin.gif

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This speakers where for 2,000 per pair years ago and they where well sale at the price.

If you are not convince there are many reviews out there about the RC-70.


http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_rc70.htm

here is the conclusion about the review.

In my introduction I asked whether the RC-70 might set a new sonic standard at their price. More specifically, I wondered if $2000 really is the point of diminishing returns for a pair of floorstanding speakers. Although the RC-70s are wonderful, I still think that this honor is reserved for speakers that cost closer to $5000, where the competition is especially fierce. Many companies offer models around this figure, and I've heard some I liked more than the RC-70s. However, that the RC-70s get very close to the quality of these considerably more expensive designs is an important point. Their sound is extremely satisfying in so many regards, and they are such highly resolving and refined transducers that I can imagine many music lovers (myself included) living happily with them for a very long time.

My advice to potential buyers of the RC-70s would be to spend money on quality electronics to extract everything they have to offer. They can sound very good with budget gear, but their performance was elevated as the quality of the upstream components improved. The RC-70s are certainly revealing. When fed a signal that is as refined as they are, the result is so impressive that one might forget all about upgrading and simply get on with just listening to music. If this isn't the point of being an audiophile, I don't know what is.

I bought my just recently from the Frys deals (killer). All I have is a Denon 1911 + cheap blu ray player. What can I upgrade first to get the most without breaking the bank?
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I bought my just recently from the Frys deals (killer). All I have is a Denon 1911 + cheap blu ray player. What can I upgrade first to get the most without breaking the bank?

Get some rear speakers and you can run 4.0 with a phantom center. Or you can get a sub and run 2.1.

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I bought my just recently from the Frys deals (killer). All I have is a Denon 1911 + cheap blu ray player. What can I upgrade first to get the most without breaking the bank?

Your Denon receiver and cheap blu ray player are fine. If you plan to use for home theater then add a subwoofer next.

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Now will I need to replace my 80w Onkyo TX-NR509 Receiver to power these? Also how are the 5.0 Energy Veritas V-mini's for $379 in comparison? I can probably cancel the RC-70's before they ship if the V-Mini's are just as good when paired with a sub. Sorry to ask this after all the great advice I have received. I am only wondering since these are from Energy's higher Veritas line.

I have RC Mini's which are the same as the V-mini speakers.

I'd rather have my two RC-70's than a full set of RC Minis/V-mini's no doubt.

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My order from Fry's was unexpectedly cancelled (wasn't Fry's fault) and I need to reorder the RC-70's. Before I do, wwstereo is having a sale of the Veritas V6.2 and the center channel is cheaper. How are the V6.2's since they are the higher line but are only 2.5 way and don't have the lower bass response?
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I am having a problem that I hope someone can solve. My Energy rc-70's when playing don't sound very dynamic and are way too polite/laid back at any volume. For music it's ok. For home theater I know a subwoofer is needed but there is something wrong when my Samsung and TCL tv speakers sound better. Some people say that all that a speaker needs is 10w average and if the power protection circuits are not switching then it's not the receiver.

I have a 80w 6-16ohm Onkyo receiver.

The RC-70's have 4ohm dips yet the power protection doesn't trip so I don't know if that's the problem. Also when I mess with the crossover I can hardly hear a difference if I set it to 40hz or 200hz. When set to large I hear a very slight reduction in volume regardless of the amount of bass.
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