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This is my first home theater setup and am very excited to finally be building. So far all I have purchased is the Klipsch RW-12d sub. I am waiting to buy an AVR until I pick out the front stage as well but considering YAMAHA 573 . I am leaning towards the Polk 65T towers. For the money, I think they would work really well for a dedicated thater/surround setup.I do not really want to spend over $350 on the towers and I know the 75t would be pushing my budget but if the performance is THAT much greater I can consider a little more investment. What do you think about 65Ts with the 12d sub??
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either way you cant go wrong. both should blend nicely with your sub. in my expereince with the monitor 60s and monitor 70s (which are the older versions of the 65T and 75T) is that I prefer the 70s as mains...they just add a little bit that is lacking when i ran my 60s as mains. so i say, if you can afford the little extra cash, go for the 75T's, if not, you will have no problems running the 65T's as mains.

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Damn I keep thinking the same. I mean yeah its only $120 more per pair but that right there buys all my wiring...ill see who else chimes in
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Damn I keep thinking the same. I mean yeah its only $120 more per pair but that right there buys all my wiring...ill see who else chimes in

I'd go for the 75t also but sometimes we just need to stay in our budget. Either way I don't see you being unhappy other than maybe thinking what if.

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Polk 65T: 1" tweeter, three 5-1/4" mid-bass drivers, extension to 48Hz @ -3dB.
Polk 75T: 1" tweeter, two 6-1/2" mid-bass drivers, two 6-1/2" bass drivers, extension to 40Hz @ -3dB.

It's hard to say how the mid-range sound of three 5-1/4" mid-bass drivers will compare against two 6-1/2" mid-bass drivers, but given that you'll be running the 65Ts w/ a sub, there's no real advantage to the 75Ts' slightly greater extension.

(Funny how the 75T extends only 8Hz deeper despite having two dedicated bass drivers. Perhaps it's not a true three-way design?)

IMO, save some money and enjoy the 65Ts. smile.gif
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Heya,

I would say since you're using a sub, use the 65T's (or Monitor 60's). Save that money. I say this as someone who has all of the monitor line. I have several M50's, M60's and M70's.

My reasoning is that you're using a sub to perform 80hz and below, so extension from the mains is not needed. All you need is mid-bass, mids, and treble from your mains. Unless the room is massive, three drivers will be able to produce that, doubled. Also consider the 75T's (or M70's) also take more power to have everything going at it's best. I wouldn't just rely on your receiver to adequately put everything into those 10 drivers between those two mains if you went 75T's, so it would add to cost to consider an amplifier beyond the AVR (and of course also require your AVR have pre-amp out units).

With that saved money, get a second sub.

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Also consider the 75T's (or M70's) also take more power to have everything going at it's best. I wouldn't just rely on your receiver to adequately put everything into those 10 drivers between those two mains if you went 75T's, so it would add to cost to consider an amplifier beyond the AVR (and of course also require your AVR have pre-amp out units).
Curious: Both the 65T and the 75T are 8-ohm speakers with 90dB sensitivity. Why would you conclude that a pair of 75Ts would require more power and a dedicated power amp?
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Curious: Both the 65T and the 75T are 8-ohm speakers with 90dB sensitivity. Why would you conclude that a pair of 75Ts would require more power and a dedicated power amp?

Polk also lists the minimum recommended amplifier power of each as 20 watts. Although the 75T are rated with a maximum recommended amplifier of 275 watts vs 200 watts for the 65T. But it's not necessary to have an amplifier that reaches the maximum wattage for each.

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Really appreciate the input from you all. I am really thinking for my theater room size (20 x 12) the 65Ts will more than fill the room with sound along with the sub. Even though its a saving of only $120, that can go towards my projector and cabling that I still need to purchase. Not that the 75ts need that much more power, but seeing as the amp I am using is going to be about 105 watts per channel, the 65ts would allow the system to run a little more efficiently I think.

Are there any other front towers to consider realistically for this price point?
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After looking into it a little more I am seeing that the 15C center matches the 65ts in driver size and spec, I would assume that this should be my choice instead of the 25C?? I know with movies ALOT of the dialogue will be coming from the center so I was just wondering if it would benefit me to get the 25C or would that be a mismatch?
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After looking into it a little more I am seeing that the 15C center matches the 65ts in driver size and spec, I would assume that this should be my choice instead of the 25C?? I know with movies ALOT of the dialogue will be coming from the center so I was just wondering if it would benefit me to get the 25C or would that be a mismatch?

I would still recommend the larger center. The main issue with matching is that the timbre is the same, so since the 25C and 65T are from the same line, you are set.

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+1 to Transmaniacon's post.
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Alright, putting these things into my shopping cart on NewEgg now biggrin.gif

Next choice...AVR which I am currently considering the YAMAHA RX-V573. My friend pointed me to the review of the Onkyo TX-NR616 and said it is a steal at the current mid 300 price but I dont have much experience outside of Yamaha and Integra. I was kind of disappointed with the last Integra install I did, thought it was much beefier but it overheated easily only pushing 5 in-walls.
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I'd snag a Denon AVR-1612 (Amazon.com) or an AVR-1613. Nicely-equipped AVRs with Audyssey MultEQ room-correction software.
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^^+1 to audyssey!

also consider stepping up to the 1712 or 1713 as it features audyssey multEQ XT. Also consider an onkyo 709, i think onkyo is running a deal on refurbs through their website.

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After looking into the Audyssey option offerend on the units that feels like the right choice. I see Frys is selling the 1612 and 1712 for crazy cheap but thats only with availability. I do not have a local Frys store or else I'd try and go have a look mad.gif
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Is there a problem with the ones available through Amazon.com? For example: Modia - an authorized Denon on-line retailer w/ a 98% positive rating - has new ones available for $289 + $30 shipping.
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Well no, but if the 1712 is worth an extra $50-$100 I could get that. If I dont find the 1712 for $350 or less I will just end up getting the 1612 at the $299 tag. I guess I am getting a little excited and greedy with this project lol. I am sure the 1612 would do just fine for me.
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You can get a factory refurbished 1712 for $309.99 from www.accessories4less.com They are a very reputable dealer and offer 1 year manufacturer warranties on their refurbs. Stepping up to the 1912 is only $20 more.

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Wow and the 1612 is only $199...thanks for the link! I am not a big fan of refurbed equipment but with a warranty that might not be a bad idea...Do you think I will really notice THAT much more from the 1712 over the 1612 with this being my first home theater system? I obvisouly would like the bigger is better approach with the 1712 but starting to stretch my budget a bit and am not sure I will get the CFO's approval tongue.gif
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I think stepping up to the 1712 from the 1612 is a considerable jump, however the 1712 is usually $250, so at $310 that really isn't a good deal. The 1613 is another good option because it adds networking so if you want to stream from a computer or use Airplay, this may be the way to go.

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I wish I could find the 1712 for $250! I am not in any kind of rush but would like to get stuff ordered within a week or so. I am 99.9% sure that Airplay would not be a benefit for me. I prefer just plugging in my dedicated iPod for listening to music.
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I would imagine the prices are based on their inventory of refurbished units, so that price is pretty unpredictable. The 1612 would serve you very well, and you can save a little cash getting it refurbished, which will surely get you brownie points with the CFO biggrin.gif

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I emailed them and they will not match the Denon website for $239.99. Denon has none in stock either. So I either have to purchase the 1612 for $199 or the 1712 for $309.
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I emailed them and they will not match the Denon website for $239.99. Denon has none in stock either. So I either have to purchase the 1612 for $199 or the 1712 for $309.

I don't think a refurbished 1712 is worth $309, maybe ask Denon if they have an approximate ETA? Otherwise I would say get the 1612, or 1613 if you want networking.

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Just got off the phone. A4L will not price match Denon's website at all since that is below their cost. Denon said they are gone and are not expecting any back in. The rep said typically once they are gone they are gone and A4L told me that Denon will be pulling them off the refurb page within a day or so.

Ah well, guess I will just go with the 1612 and be happy with that.




UPDATE - Went on Denon's site and picked up a 1612 refurb with promo code for $159.99
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That is pretty damned cool! Congrats! cool.gif
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UPDATE - Went on Denon's site and picked up a 1612 refurb with promo code for $159.99
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Holy crap, batman. Great deal biggrin.gif

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Thanks everyone! I am very excited for all my goodies to arrive...now I just need to get on Monoprice and get some decent wire! What do you guys use? I have always used Monster 14/2 or 12/2 wire but no longer have it at my disposal.I am thinking the 12/2 CL since I have to run across the drop ceiling and down the wall.
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The 14ga wire from Monoprice is your best bet. Monster speaker wire is a huge waste of money and not recommended

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