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Hello everyone.

Would you please help me choosing the right equipment?
I need a good receiver to drive these speakers:



Frequency Response (±3dB): 32 Hz-27kHz

Sensitivity (2.83V @ 1m): 90 dB

Nominal Impedance: 6Ω

High-Frequency Driver: 100 Hz /3 kHz

Mid-Frequency Driver 25 mm CMMD Dome

Low-Frequency Driver: 1 x 170 mm CMMD 1 x 250 mm CMMD



Will use them in 12X12 feet room, mostly for listening rock and reggae music.
Sometimes watching movies.

BestBuy kindly let me try a Marantz sr5007 for 15 days and I liked it very much.

Would appreciate to hear your opinion.
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Prefer to stay under 1.5K and ability to bi amp is a must.
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Just crank up the volume and play some torture bass music/ movies and see how the Marantz AVR sounds. If it sounds great, then buy it.
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but for the price of that Marantz, I can get NAD C 356BEE .

I was told the Nad will do a much better job.
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What are your speakers?
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but for the price of that Marantz, I can get NAD C 356BEE .

I was told the Nad will do a much better job.

You were told incorrectly.

There is utterly nothing magical about integrated amps over AVR or the brand name NAD over Marantz or any other brands.

The important thing is the power output and Direct/Pure Direct mode capability.

Assuming the $600 Denon 2313 is about equivalent to the SR5007: 2 channels driving 8-ohm loads reaches 1% THD @ 152 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 1% THD at 192.5 watts.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-2313ci-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_9?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=denon+avr-3313ci&sprefix=Denon+avr%2Caps%2C161

The NAD is rated @ 80 WPC x 2 Ch into both 4 & 8 ohms, so we don't know how it actually measures. It may be 90 or 110 WPC into 1% THD.

Personally I would save the cash and just get the Denon 2313 ($600) or Denon 3313 ($800).
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wow!!!
very informative.
Thank you very much.
Would you be able to come up with a few more models and brands so I could look them up on local craigslist?
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wow!!!
very informative.
Thank you very much.
Would you be able to come up with a few more models and brands so I could look them up on local craigslist?

2 Ch % 1% THD 8 ohm/ 4 ohm:

Denon AVR-1913: 117.7 watts/151.1 watts

Yamaha RX-V473: 96.5 watts/143.2 watts

Yamaha RX-V573: 102.0 watts/126.2 watts

Yamaha 1020: 113.5 watts/170 watts

Pioneer SC-61: 150.3 watts/247.5 watts

Harman Kardon 3650: 124.6 watts/170.0 watts

Harman Kardon 1700: 108.9 watts/ 196.3 watts

Harman Kardon 3490: 140 watts/ 227 watts

Sony DN1030: 134.7 watts/ 167.7 watts

Sherwood 977: 145.1 watts/ 209.9 watts

$4,000 NAD 787: 184.5 watts/ 207.1 watts

So you can get an open box HK 3490 receiver (full new HK warranty, NOT REFURBISHED) for $300 from Amazon direct (30-day return policy) that can output 140 watts into 8 ohms and 227 watts into 4 ohms.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00198F89A/sr=/qid=/ref=olp_prime_used?ie=UTF8&colid=&coliid=&condition=used&me=&qid=&seller=&shipPromoFilter=1&sort=sip&sr=

Here is the review: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/hk-3490

A few things to keep in mind.

1st, DOUBLING the power only increases the output by 3dB!

2nd, a single 90dB sensitive speaker means that a volume of 102dB can be generated from 2 speakers (stereo) from 4 meters away w/ 128 watts of power.

So if your max volume sitting 4 meters away is 99dB (playing stereo, 2 speakers), the power requirement is 64 watts per channel.

I don't know about you, but my MAX volume in stereo mode is only about 93dB, which requires ~ 16 watts in a 90dB/w/m speaker.
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Squarely in the middle of the Denons that ADTG has recommended is the 2113CI, which you can buy refurbished from accessories4less for $399. From the official Denon xx13 thread by our resident guru batpig:
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7ch Models (1913, 2113ci, 2313ci, 3313ci): The AVR 1913 on up add progressively more power, inputs, and features. All of these models have 7 amps and can be run in either 7ch mode or 5ch in main zone + powered zone 2. They also add component video inputs (1 on the 1913 and 2113ci, 2 on the 2313ci/3313ci), analog > HDMI video conversion, video scaling (up to 1080p on the 1913, and up to 4k on the CI models), and better options for multiroom integration. All the "CI" models also have a 3rd year of warranty.

The 2113ci is essentially the "CI" version of the 1913. They are the same size, same chassis, and have the same back panel layout (other than the 2112ci adding the "CI" features of Zone 2 pre-outs, RS-232 serial port, and room-to-room IR remote jacks). Like last year, the 2313ci and 3313ci are built on a separate, beefier platform, with 2" deeper chassis and significantly increased non-HDMI connectivity on the back panel. The 2313ci also adds dual (parallel) HDMI outputs, whereas the 3313ci has three HDMI outputs with matrix distribution capability: two parallel outputs for "main zone" and one "zone 2" HDMI output that can feed a separate HDMI source to another room.

Batpig's Buying Advice: As with last year, the 2113ci seems like a no-brainer for the additional $70 over the 1913. It remains to be seen what "street price" looks like but last year the gap was even closer than msrp from many retailers. If only for the upgrade to MultEQ XT and the third year of warranty it is well worth it. After that, I would only recommend going beyond the 2113ci if you will specifically use the extra features found in the next model up. Do not do it because you want more power or better sound quality!

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Thanx to everyone.

will let you know, what I found and how much I like it. smile.gif
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I found Marantz PM6004 on Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251273499758?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

It's going tomorrow.

any good? compered to SR5007?

will it drive my speakers good?
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Keep the SR5007.
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I like my denon 3313. Don't invest a lot in an avr unless you are looking for a specific feature that you will actually use. I can't stand the HK line up however the 3490 is a beast and gets good reviews. How many speakers are you driving?
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Only 2 speakers.
Don't plan to extend.

I'm a true stereo forever.

I listen to a lot of acoustic albums and this marantz SR5007 does it so well.

but I wonder if anything could do it better in this price range.

Guy already gave me some suggestions.

Many people talk about Harman Kardon 3490. I see it's powerful and loud , but is the sound going to be as tasty as in Marantz?
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Since your open to suggestions,take a look at
The Outlaw Audio RR2150.

Seriously doubt if it will outperform your Marantz
Though.
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There are a lot of discussions regarding the sound of an amplifier. Many professionals agree that as long as the amp is not distorting the amps will all sound the same. I have not done enough testing to know how accurate this statement is however I would trust what most professionals say. If you like using room correction for 2 channel listening then it may be worth it to purchase an avr with the best EQ available.

As for bi amping you should do a quick search on this forum to see what people think about it. The general consensus is that unless you are using 2 different amps with active crossovers the benefits won't be realized. This comes down to the premise of bi amping. The point is to reduce the stress on the amp, add more power, and let each power be responsible for only the high or low frequencies. To be done properly this needs active crossovers not the internal passive crossovers in speakers. Look at powered studio monitors. They will tell you a total power handling and then they will break it up into its components. For example 75watt LF + 50watt HF. This would imply two separate amplifiers.
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The HK 3490 gets excellent reviews from owners of 2 channel only systems. Now that I'm addicted to remote control capabilities that only a networked receiver can provide my opinion is that it's dated, but then again I don't need a receiver. wink.gif

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Only 2 speakers.
Don't plan to extend.

I'm a true stereo forever.

I listen to a lot of acoustic albums and this marantz SR5007 does it so well.

but I wonder if anything could do it better in this price range.

Guy already gave me some suggestions.

Many people talk about Harman Kardon 3490. I see it's powerful and loud , but is the sound going to be as tasty as in Marantz?

It will be at least as tasty. wink.gif

The HK3490 is essentially an integrated amp + tuner. In this case, it is a powerful amp.

Personally, if I were purely into "stereo analog sound", I would just get an AVR like the SR5007 or Denon 2313/3313. You won't beat the sound in Direct Mode. It's as good as it gets.

But if you must have "separates", then I recommend the combo from ATI: ATP6700 + AT1202. The combo retail $3,900, listed for $1,200; but send them an email and offer $1,000 for the combo. biggrin.gif

http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/a-v-processors/ati-atp6700-preamp-processor-120-240-v.html

http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/amplifiers/ati-at1202-two-channel-x-120-watt-amplifier-b-stock-120-v.html

In case you are not aware, ATI makes some serious amps in California for Mark Levinson, Lexicon, Theta Digital, Cary Audio, B&K, JBL Synthesis. Serious high-end audio for a fraction of the price.

But again, personally I would just stick to a 7.1 AVR even for serious pure 2.0 ananlog stereo audio.
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Going to stay with the sr5007 for now.

Only few things I don't like about it.

screen looks like a porthole on the submarine (can't read it from distance)
when I connect my sony nw-f807 portable player via USB - can only play one album at a time (will repeat the same album but won't play next one)
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That seems like it would be a settings issue with your Sony player and not the avr. If the Marrantz porthole display bothers you get another avr with a standard display. Doubt if you'd hear a difference.
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Well, I just switched from Yamaha Rx a720 and I hear a difference.
Don't want to reverse it.
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Keep the SR5007.

Look at getting a good subwoofer.

It will offload your AVR and main speakers.
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Well, I just switched from Yamaha Rx a720 and I hear a difference.
Don't want to reverse it.

Make sure you compare using Pure Direct 2.0 mode and that the actual listening volume is the same on both AVR.

Any slight difference in volume will favor the louder AVR.

Pure Direct mode may sound clearer and more "open" compared to some room correction, DSP, EQ modes.
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I did.
Looks like Maratz makes Kappa 600 breathe easier.
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Ended up with cambridge azur 640r.
It's fun to switch receivers often.
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Ended up with cambridge azur 640r.
It's fun to switch receivers often.
Just some FYI.

HTM AVR Power Output @ 1% THD 2CH 8 ohms/4 ohms/ 5CH 8 ohm:

$1800 Cambridge 650: 174.4/229.9/142.3
$1300 Cambridge 551: 111.3/139.8/81.2
$1200 Denon 3312: 143.3/225.5/103.0
$1200 Marantz 6006: 153.2/195.8/92.0
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Hi

I don't mean to hijack this thread and apologize to deepwest, but can you please guide me too?

I am about to buy 2 Wharfedale Mach5 speakers and am confused by which receiver to buy. I am trying to build an inexpensive system which I can use on a long term basis. The person who sold me the the Wharfedale's is also offering a Pioneer VSX-454 receiver, and that's where the confusion starts. I am planning to attach a Yamaha YST-SWO15 70w sub woofer and then call it a day. My primary use will be to attach a turntable and the Samsung HDTV (audio only) to the receiver. Living in a small NYC apartment, there's not much space for satellite/front/surround speakers etc. I also own a Samsung home system which I may attach.

Is the Pioneer good enough? I am leaning towards a Technics SA-GX690 to be had on ebay for maybe $90 or should I try one of the Marantz's receivers as my friends keep suggesting? I prefer going for those below $75, if possible?

Many thanks to all for reading and hopefully guiding me smile.gif

Cheers

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Mine is Cambridge 640.
Got it used with a not working sound knob (use remote for it) but otherwise in perfect condition. IMG_8482.JPG 4869k .JPG file

It's very heavy and solid built.
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Guys I need your help again.
For 2 large speakers set up.
Will marantz sr 5007 and Denon 3313 ci sound the same?
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