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I have a pair of 683 S1 and I am planning to get a matching center. The HTM61 S1 can now be had for a discounted price with the release of S2. Which version would you recommend considering both price and performance?
Best thing to do is listen to them yourself the HtM61 is fine to me, Well tomorrow I surpose to back to BB in my area to listen to S2 they surpose to fix the store this time.
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I have had the 683s for five years and love them. I have a 685 for a center and surrounds. The 683s need decent power to be driven well. They are just great though. I still am not even considering upgrading.
I just bought the x4000 and it has taken them to a whole new level. My wife thinks the Denon is a bit too precise for music I. E. Less warm than the old 2309,bjt I freaking love it. We play almost all types of music but find they excel at classical and all kinds of rock. Though they play all well in my opinion. I have not played one genre where I thought the speakers struggled with it. To be fair I run dual subs and listen to music, since I got my new receiver with stereo+ 2

With the old Denon, I preferred surround sound for music, because it wasn't delivering enough juice, or not clean enough. Not sure, because I think the new one is only 30w/ch more which should be inaudible.

As for the center, at the time I tested the htms but found the 685 wiped the floor with them. YMMV. If you can make it fit, give it a listen, otherwise an excellent surround, though I feel bad just relegating them to surround duties due to how good they are.

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The HTM61 S2 is supposed to be of better quality but it's hard to say if it will timbre match with your 683 S1s. My guess is that it will. If you can accommodate a vertical book shelf speaker the 685 has also been established as a good center to pair with the 683s.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/bw-683-surround-speaker-system-measurements

I am not sure if our local dealer already have the S2. Also, 685s are sold in pair, right?
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I am not sure if our local dealer already have the S2. Also, 685s are sold in pair, right?
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Best thing to do is listen to them yourself the HtM61 is fine to me, Well tomorrow I surpose to back to BB in my area to listen to S2 they surpose to fix the store this time.

Please share us what you think of the S2s after you auditioned them. smile.gif
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Please share us what you think of the S2s after you auditioned them. smile.gif
I will last time I went there the sources did not work in the store.
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I will last time I went there the sources did not work in the store.

EVERY time I audition something at BB something is broken, not wired correctly, not playing music but IS picking up Martian shipping communications ect. Plus, if something does work right, it's always going to be in a room very different from mine. You're better off reading forums and reviews, buying the gear, testing it out in your own room, and taking advantage of the return policy if you aren't satisfied.

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I am not sure if our local dealer already have the S2. Also, 685s are sold in pair, right?

Yes they are. However, you could always use the "extra" speaker as a back surround channel.

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I think I'm good with my current surround speakers. Does anyone know what are the pros and cons if I just use 2 685s as center, ie impedance, imaging, etc?
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EVERY time I audition something at BB something is broken, not wired correctly, not playing music but IS picking up Martian shipping communications ect. Plus, if something does work right, it's always going to be in a room very different from mine. You're better off reading forums and reviews, buying the gear, testing it out in your own room, and taking advantage of the return policy if you aren't satisfied.
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Please share us what you think of the S2s after you auditioned them. smile.gif
The new S2 are great,plus the center channel is better than the old one,so if you are market to get the new 600 series go for it.
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The new S2 are great,plus the center channel is better than the old one,so if you are market to get the new 600 series go for it.

That's good to hear. I've been curious about the new 600 S2 series.

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That's good to hear. I've been curious about the new 600 S2 series.
Plus the center channel on the S2 is bigger then the old one,when I was watching movies the S2 was the same like CMC2 and other thing the S2 are not broken in yet.
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Plus the center channel on the S2 is bigger then the old one,when I was watching movies the S2 was the same like CMC2 and other thing the S2 are not broken in yet.

Thanks for the input. Comparing the SQ to the CMC2 definitely seems very positive. wink.gif

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I have had the 683s for five years and love them. I have a 685 for a center and surrounds. The 683s need decent power to be driven well. They are just great though. I still am not even considering upgrading.
I just bought the x4000 and it has taken them to a whole new level. My wife thinks the Denon is a bit too precise for music I. E. Less warm than the old 2309,bjt I freaking love it. We play almost all types of music but find they excel at classical and all kinds of rock. Though they play all well in my opinion. I have not played one genre where I thought the speakers struggled with it. To be fair I run dual subs and listen to music, since I got my new receiver with stereo+ 2

With the old Denon, I preferred surround sound for music, because it wasn't delivering enough juice, or not clean enough. Not sure, because I think the new one is only 30w/ch more which should be inaudible.

As for the center, at the time I tested the htms but found the 685 wiped the floor with them. YMMV. If you can make it fit, give it a listen, otherwise an excellent surround, though I feel bad just relegating them to surround duties due to how good they are.

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Do you have anything else running the speakers like an amp? Or just the demon 4000 to run entire 5 speakers? How you think the demon compares to the pioneer sc-75? I'm waiting for my bb to get the s2's and in the market for the 683's a new receiver to juice them without extra amp. Undecided on what surrounds to use though.

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I just use the denon x4000 to run them, and before that just the 2309. It is enough to run them fine, it will take them all to reference without breaking a sweat.

If you go for an amp, go for less distortion than the Denon, not raw Watts, because you will probably never even come close to using all the watts available per channel even with just the Denon.

With 683s I would definitely go with the 685s for surrounds. They match really well with them. Even as a center they are very well suited.

as for the Pioneer, I would never consider it because it does not EQ bass (anything below 63 hz I believe). Though the new ones coming out this year will apparently.

But that was a must for me when searching for a receiver, using dual subs, and planning to go to four at some point.

I also use REW and a Mini DSP for that for what it is worth.

Some will tell you it does not matter that the subs will not be EQ'd, but it does to me and to many others.
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Do you have anything else running the speakers like an amp? Or just the demon 4000 to run entire 5 speakers? How you think the demon compares to the pioneer sc-75? I'm waiting for my bb to get the s2's and in the market for the 683's a new receiver to juice them without extra amp. Undecided on what surrounds to use though.
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I just use the denon x4000 to run them, and before that just the 2309. It is enough to run them fine, it will take them all to reference without breaking a sweat.

If you go for an amp, go for less distortion than the Denon, not raw Watts, because you will probably never even come close to using all the watts available per channel even with just the Denon.

With 683s I would definitely go with the 685s for surrounds. They match really well with them. Even as a center they are very well suited.

as for the Pioneer, I would never consider it because it does not EQ bass (anything below 63 hz I believe). Though the new ones coming out this year will apparently.

But that was a must for me when searching for a receiver, using dual subs, and planning to go to four at some point.

I also use REW and a Mini DSP for that for what it is worth.

Some will tell you it does not matter that the subs will not be EQ'd, but it does to me and to many others.

I have played with a few different amps to power my 683's, and like different things about each.

Pioneer SC-65 onboard class D amps - VERY nice imaging, a bit on the warm side, with a slightly bright top end when pushed. Bass is tricky and unrefined.

Emotiva XPA-3 - GOBS of power, bottom end is very well controlled and sublime, but top end is hissy.

Marantz MA-700 mono blocks - Well controlled, very musical mid-bass region, high-mids can get squelchy. (If anyone else has experience in the pro-audio world, these amps sound "British")

Peachtree 220 - SWEET highs! Really really nice top end, strange sense of space (mids are almost too far back behind the soundstage), bottom end is almost clippy, like it isn't really pushing the 220wpc it is spec'd for.

Overall, I think the best amp for the 683 has been, shockingly, the onboard Pioneer amps. They do run out of stink trying to control the bottom end of the 683, but other than that, don't have any glaring character faults, and in fact sound REALLY nice at low volumes. Second favorite would be the Peachtree, but I ran into some QC trouble with that unit. The Emotiva is a close third because the bottom was amazing...so much so that I'm considering giving an XPA-2 a listen. The Marantz, first of all is built like a tank, but just made vocals sound too harsh, and as such was my least favorite amp.

One important thing that I have taken away from all of this is that the 683 really does like a LOT of power, and the more I've given it, the better the bottom sounded.

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In bb right now they got their last two 683's left on sale for 1199 damn should I go with the series 1 instead of 2 for that price?

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They also have the denon x4000 on sale from 1299 now at 999

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Damn 685 for 428 a pair here too open box but still

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In bb right now they got their last two 683's left on sale for 1199 damn should I go with the series 1 instead of 2 for that price?

Just be careful of they're floor models. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with them per se, but I suspect BB demo speakers are kind of like rental cars in that people come in and drive the piss out of 'em all day.

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Not floor models closed in box

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Damn 685 for 428 a pair here too open box but still
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Do you have anything else running the speakers like an amp? Or just the demon 4000 to run entire 5 speakers? How you think the demon compares to the pioneer sc-75? I'm waiting for my bb to get the s2's and in the market for the 683's a new receiver to juice them without extra amp. Undecided on what surrounds to use though.
SC-75 sounds better when comes to music, But for movies that's toss up
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SC-75 sounds better when comes to music, But for movies that's toss up

Yeah after a lot of asking around here I am just about set on what I am going to do. I am going to wait for the 600 series S2 to get in the stores and try them out. I honestly feel for the money it would be worth getting the S1 floors, center, surrounds, and sub for about a 1000 off the price I would pay for the S2's the only thing holding me back is the fact that the S2 is susposed to be really legit and I do like that they are going gloss look over the older ash look too. Receiver wise I think I am gonna grab the Denon x-4000 at 999 hard to beat that especially since it is being used primarily for TV sound. I may down the road grab a emotica 3 channel amp to comapre the difference, but I think the upgrade from the Bose 3-2-1 will be good enough for awhile lol.

 

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Yeah after a lot of asking around here I am just about set on what I am going to do. I am going to wait for the 600 series S2 to get in the stores and try them out. I honestly feel for the money it would be worth getting the S1 floors, center, surrounds, and sub for about a 1000 off the price I would pay for the S2's the only thing holding me back is the fact that the S2 is susposed to be really legit and I do like that they are going gloss look over the older ash look too. Receiver wise I think I am gonna grab the Denon x-4000 at 999 hard to beat that especially since it is being used primarily for TV sound. I may down the road grab a emotica 3 channel amp to comapre the difference, but I think the upgrade from the Bose 3-2-1 will be good enough for awhile lol.

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what is the 600 XP??
Also, what sub?
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what is the 600 XP??
Also, what sub?

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htm61

 

So...

 

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htm61 for center

685's for surround

asw610XP for sub

and denon x-4000 to power them

 

Does that sound like a plan for a 20x20 room?

 

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Ah, ok have you bought it already? Because if not, there are better alternatives for the price.
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Ah, ok have you bought it already? Because if not, there are better alternatives for the price.

Please do tell. No waiting on the S2 to come to the store so I can make decision on whether to go S2 or S1 for cheaper


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