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Hi guys,

I just moved to a new place and I can be crazy enough to spend $2k on a surround sound system for gaming, movies and airplay music streaming from my macbook. Bluetooth sucks so airplay is the reason I'm thinking of buying the Sony.

The Sony is $400, this leaves me with $1600 for 5 speakers and a subwoofer. I like the look of those tall vertical speakers, so maybe some of those?

I would appreciate your guidance and counsel.

Thanks!

ps: If the Sony sucks, I can always get a $100 Apple tv for airplay and buy another receiver.

pps: I really like the tall vertical speakers. the floorstanding ones that don't require mounts.
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The Yamaha 573 has AirPlay, 3D Video, Network, 110 WPC for $348.
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V573-7-1-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B007JF861O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1362331640&sr=8-3&keywords=yamaha+receiver


Get the NHT Absolute Zero x 5 speakers for $990 (10% off sale).
http://www.nhthifi.com/

The Absolute Zero’s listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +0.94/–0.82 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz. The –3-dB point is at 83 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 72 Hz. Impedance reaches a minimum of 5.19 ohms at 192 Hz and a phase angle of –46.25 degrees at 111 Hz.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/nht-absolute-zero-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

That 3rd party listening window measurement is absolutely superb for any speaker at any price!


Get the SVS PB12-NSD for $729.
http://www.svsound.com/outlet-specials?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=183&category_id=5#.UTOLWoy9KSM

So 729 + 990 + 348 = $2067
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This is a great setup, especially for the price. You may even have enough to splurge for the rosenut! Me and my dad both have them and love'em.
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The Yamaha 573 has AirPlay, 3D Video, Network, 110 WPC for $348.
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V573-7-1-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B007JF861O/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1362331640&sr=8-3&keywords=yamaha+receiver

The Yamaha is $50 less than the sony but is it otherwise better? The Sony has 5 HDMI inputs which might be useful in the future.
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Get the NHT Absolute Zero x 5 speakers for $990 (10% off sale).
http://www.nhthifi.com/

Are those tower speakers? I like the tower speaker look plus it doesn't require a mount smile.gif
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Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, and Pioneer are better choices for a receiver than Sony. I'm partial to Denon because of Audyssey MultEQ.

The SVS PB12-NSD that AcuDefTechGuy is very good. But there is a great deal right now on the Rythmik LV12R, which is on sale for $549 shipped. Here are pictures in this owners thread. They just released it as an update to the Rythmik FV12 (you can find a lot of talk about that sub on AVS).

What you need to know is that subs by Internet direct sub manufacturers like SVS, Rythmik, Power Sound Audio, Outlaw Audio, and HSU are much better deals than traditional subs that can be found at brick and mortar stores, even other subs that are as much twice the price MSRP. And it's worth investing 25% or a little more of your budget in the sub, because with a sub, you are buying a speaker and an amp. You'll really appreciate the sub for movies and gaming.

I like 2 pairs of Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SEs and the CMT-340 SE center for your budget range. Or if you want bigger speakers for the front, get the CMT-340 SE mains. These are Internet direct speakers, so a good value because they don't have a middleman cut worked into their price. You might also look at EMPTek, HTD, and ARX, which are other Internet direct speaker vendors.

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First, definitely do not buy the Sony. I would recommend the Denon 1713 instead. Speaker wise, I would suggest the Pioneers Phase 2. You can get best buy to price match amazon pricing you should be good.

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FS52 $124 x 2 = $248
BS22 $70 pair
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The Pioneers would be nice if you want to keep your budget a good bit lower. But I would still recommend the Rythmik sub over the Klipsch RW-12d. It will have better SQ.

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First, definitely do not buy the Sony. I would recommend the Denon 1713 instead.
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The Denon 1913 is $399 at amazon right now, cheaper than the 1713. Any reason not to get the 1913?
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Like others have said, Sony is not the most respected reciever maker. Unless there are specific features of the Rec that you need, you can do better and likely for less! I think you can get a really good reciever for 300 dollars.
With a 2000 total budget, I wouldnt spend 750 on a subwoofer...500 or less is more in line with your budget. The klipsch 12 inch is great sub for 300-350 dollars!
I have experience with two speakers sets. If you want towers, EMP has two speakers that are great fir the price. The e5tis and the smaller center would be well w/in your budget. Also, the Ascend acoust cmt340s are great speakers, but bookshelves!
I have heard the AJ pioneer speakers and the EMPs and ascend are a class better!

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If you can swing the extra $50, the 1713 has a little better version of Audyssey MultEQ which will help your speakers to sound a little better in your room than Audyssey on the 1913. Otherwise, if the 1913 has the features you want, then go for it.

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Also, the Ascend acoust cmt340s are great speakers, but bookshelves!

They are not really bookshelves. They have dual 6.5" drivers. So more like towers that don't have the stands built in wink.gif

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The Denon 1913 is $399 at amazon right now, cheaper than the 1713. Any reason not to get the 1913?

1713 has the Mulit EQ XT. Better for calibrating your speakers etc., but if you don't care about that then go for the 1913.

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I definitely care about calibration of the speakers so I'll go with Denon 1713 ($450) because Audyssey > YPAO according to quick googling.

Here are the prices I found. Are the ones that cost more consistently better on this list? I'm pretty sure that's the case for subwoofers, not so sure about HSU vs Pioneer, though Ascend seems to be regarded as better.
Receiver:

Denon 1713 $450 so I have $1550 left to work with.

For subwoofer:
Klipsch RW-12d $400
Rythmik LV12R $550
SVS PB12-NSD $770

in increasing price and quality (in theory).

For Speakers:
Ascend CBM 340/170 $1120
HSU set $840
Pioneer Andrew Jones Set $614

Does this look about right guys?

So I could get a SVS PB12 + Pioneer for $1300 with $250 to spare, A Klipsch RW-12D with Ascend Speakers wiht $30 to spare, or a Rhythmik with an HSU set with $100 to spare. Which one makes most sense from a technical perspective?

Also, are all these rear speakers easily mountable on stands or is that going to be an issue?
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I definitely care about calibration of the speakers so I'll go with Denon 1713 ($450) because Audyssey > YPAO according to quick googling.

Here are the prices I found. Are the ones that cost more consistently better on this list? I'm pretty sure that's the case for subwoofers, not so sure about HSU vs Pioneer, though Ascend seems to be regarded as better.
Receiver:

Denon 1713 $450 so I have $1550 left to work with.

For subwoofer:
Klipsch RW-12d $400
Rythmik LV12R $550
SVS PB12-NSD $770

in increasing price and quality (in theory).

For Speakers:
Ascend CBM 340/170 $1120
HSU set $840
Pioneer Andrew Jones Set $614

Does this look about right guys?

So I could get a SVS PB12 + Pioneer for $1300 with $250 to spare, A Klipsch RW-12D with Ascend Speakers wiht $30 to spare, or a Rhythmik with an HSU set with $100 to spare. Which one makes most sense from a technical perspective?

Also, are all these rear speakers easily mountable on stands or is that going to be an issue?

I would go with HSU all around including their sub. Or Ascend speakers with SVS sub. I want to buy a second sub. I currently own the Klipsch RW-12D, which cost me $321 (on sale now for $349.99), but I've been wanting to buy a SVS sub for a while. I would also recommend HTD speakers and sub.

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All of the rear speakers you have selected will work fine on stands.

The Klipsch RW-12d is already back down to $349 on Newegg. Probably will be back to $300 on sale in the next couple of weeks if the last few months are any indication.

I'm partial to the Ascends since I'm listening to the CBM-170s right now. And because I like the idea of that exact matching front sound stage with the CMTs.

The SVS and Rythmik subs will have a little better SQ than the Klipsch and are probably worth the difference in price if you are into good bass. But the Klipsch is no slouch. Check out this thread where people have been discussing buying it: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442829/klipsch-rw-12d-on-sale-for-299-at-newegg-com-again-today. Lots of talk in that thread that could help you decide if the Klipsch is enough for you.

One other thing to consider. If you'd like to run dual subs, then you could pick up another RW-12d in a few months when you can afford it. Dual subs offer the benefit of a smoother in-room bass response across a wider listening/seating area. In that regard, dual RW-12ds at roughly the same price as the Rythmik and cheaper than the SVS are a good alternative.

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Bass is definitely important to me so I'd like to have a very capable sub. Is the SVS PB12 better than Hsu's VTF-15H ?

I think I've narrowed it down to either the Hsu package, the Ascend speakers + SVS PB12.

I asked a crutchfield rep and here is his PSB-centric recommendation:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_735SC2000/Definitive-Technology-SuperCube-2000.html

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_760IMGB6B/PSB-Image-B6-Black-Ash.html

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_760IMGT5B/PSB-Image-T5-Black-Ash.html

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_760IMGC4B/PSB-Image-C4-Black-Ash.html
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Bass is definitely important to me so I'd like to have a very capable sub. Is the SVS PB12 better than Hsu's VTF-15H ?

I think I've narrowed it down to either the Hsu package, the Ascend speakers + SVS PB12.

I asked a crutchfield rep and here is his PSB-centric recommendation:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_735SC2000/Definitive-Technology-SuperCube-2000.html

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_760IMGB6B/PSB-Image-B6-Black-Ash.html

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_760IMGT5B/PSB-Image-T5-Black-Ash.html

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_760IMGC4B/PSB-Image-C4-Black-Ash.html

I would go with the HSU VTF-15H if you have the space. It a pretty big sub. If you go with HSU all around, I believe you can try them for 30 days, and return them if you don't like them.

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I would go with the HSU VTF-15H if you have the space. It a pretty big sub. If you go with HSU all around, I believe you can try them for 30 days, and return them if you don't like them.
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Bass is definitely important to me so I'd like to have a very capable sub. Is the SVS PB12 better than Hsu's VTF-15H ?

The VTF-15H at a 15" definitely has more max output. Other than that, it probably won't sound any better.

How big a room do you have in cubic feet? Sub performance is tied to room size. You might be better to get one smaller sub now and wait and get another later. Dual subs really are a benefit in a room.

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There is no question, go for the VTF15h. It competes with the SVS Plus subs, not the NSD line. An equivalent Hsu sub to the NSD would be the VTF2. If you were to say the PB12 Plus or the VTF15h, I would say get the Plus, but it only beats the VTF15h by a hair. The VTF15h is like two PB12-NSD subs.
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The VTF-15H at a 15" definitely has more max output. Other than that, it probably won't sound any better.

How big a room do you have in cubic feet? Sub performance is tied to room size. You might be better to get one smaller sub now and wait and get another later. Dual subs really are a benefit in a room.

The kitchen/living room space is about 25x25x12 so around 7500 cubic ft. The actual home theater area is about 25% of that. Will 2 Klipsch work bettern than a VTF-15H or SVS/Rhytmic?

Can the 1713 drive dual subs without an additional amp?
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Wow, that is a spacious room. Get the most powerful sub you can afford, and keep open the option of adding another if one doesn't quite do the trick for you. Hopefully you have a lot of flexibility in its placement.
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The kitchen/living room space is about 25x25x12 so around 7500 cubic ft. The actual home theater area is about 25% of that. Will 2 Klipsch work bettern than a VTF-15H or SVS/Rhytmic?

Can the 1713 drive dual subs without an additional amp?

The AVR will NOT be driving any subs. Most of these subs are powered, so they have amps inside them already.
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Yep. That's a huge space. A 15" sub would definitely be a good idea for that.

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Yep. That's a huge space. A 15" sub would definitely be a good idea for that.

Two VTF-15H would be best, but expensive.

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