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Old 03-25-2013, 02:56 PM - Thread Starter
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I've just ordered a pair of GX100 speakers in spite of having trouble to find an amp that works 100% with them. I've tested them with Musical Fidelity M6i and M3i and I found these combinations sounding somewhat bright, but otherwise I love the sound. I'm using van den Hul The Wind Mk II speaker cables and Audioquest King Cobra signal cables. Any suggestions to fix the bright sound? Amplifiers? Cables?
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Welcome to the forum, but you might be in the wrong place. People here tend to realize that amps don't make a sound "bright." Speakers do, as do rooms, and source material. Likewise, you're chasing a fantasy if you think cables are going to color the sound. Those are some expensive cables with no improvement in sound quality over generic cables.

So the answer to your question is this: neither amplifiers nor cables. Speakers, and room acoustics are the correct answers.

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Welcome to the forum, but you might be in the wrong place. People here tend to realize that amps don't make a sound "bright." Speakers do, as do rooms, and source material. Likewise, you're chasing a fantasy if you think cables are going to color the sound. Those are some expensive cables with no improvement in sound quality over generic cables.

So the answer to your question is this: neither amplifiers nor cables. Speakers, and room acoustics are the correct answers.
+1. There are some subtle differences in amps, but any amp or cable that significantly alters the sound can only be classified as defective.
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Equalization.

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Why couldn't the amplifier have bright characteristics? Do you mean all amplifiers are completly neutral?
If speakercables affects the sound I don't know, but signal cables do. At least when I changed my Monster cables to van den Hul The First between my old poweramp and preamp. The difference was so big I didn't belived it myself, so I phoned a friend to have him make a blind test on me. It was impossible to miss which was which. Even my friend was stunned and never missed.

How do you mean that I can fix the brightness by fixing the room? I can use some diffusers or something else to take down reverberation, but it won't fix the brightness.

Excuse my bad English:)
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Why couldn't the amplifier have bright characteristics? Do you mean all amplifiers are completly neutral?
They're supposed to be.
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If speakercables affects the sound I don't know, but signal cables do. At least when I changed my Monster cables to van den Hul The First between my old poweramp and preamp. The difference was so big I didn't belived it myself, so I phoned a friend to have him make a blind test on me. It was impossible to miss which was which. Even my friend was stunned and never missed.
That indicates that the Monster cables were defective. Cables cannot add anything to a signal, as they're passive components with no gain. They can remove, however, as they have resistance, capacitance and inductance. If you heard a difference between these two cables that indicates that the Monster had excessive resistance, capacitance or inductance, or a combination of all three. That comes as no surprise, read this:
http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2012/03/29/monster-cables-face-off-against-coat-hangers/

But here's the deal: wire with the best possible resistance, capacitance and inductance, which means that a better result in terms of audibility cannot be realized, costs no more than a dollar a foot.
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How do you mean that I can fix the brightness by fixing the room? I can use some diffusers or something else to take down reverberation, but it won't fix the brightness.
Reverberation can be a source of brightness.
http://www.realtraps.com/articles.htm

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My experience with Monster interconnect cables is that they sound terrible.

I and 2 friends did a comparison test one time with a Sony SCD-777 SACD player, which was VERY sensitive which as to cables were used, and we checked out 4 sets of cables.

The Monster cables sounded hideously bad, worse than a pair of cheap generic cables that came free with a Yamaha CD player, and the ones that sounded the best were
Audioquest Diamondback cables.

I have found that certain combinations of equipment are sensitive to which cables connect them, and other combinations of equipment are relatively insensitive; little or no difference in sound quality.

Of course, all of this refers to unbalanced (RCA) cables.

ALL balanced connections sound the same; ALL! Perfect sound all the time.
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Yes, amps by themselves are quite neutral if properly working and within "limits".

But the processors (AVR, pre-pro) may differ in how they process the sound. Different processors may do things differently with Direct & Pure Direct mode + Bass management. For example, with Denon & Marantz, Pure Direct & Direct actually allows subwoofer output with certain settings, which may be very basic, but they allow for 2.1, 2.2 mode even in Pure Direct. Onkyo and Yamaha do not allow this. Other processors (Anthem, Integra, NAD, Arcam, Lexicon, ect) may not allow this as well.

I recently find that Direct & Pure Direct 2.2 mode improved the SQ for me and makes the sound more enjoyable for me. Bass and midrange seems to have improved clarity, articulation, and authority. I absolutely love it, but I can't speak for everyone.

If you use room correction and EQ, they will also differ with different processors.

So perhaps you could look into different processors and trying to use different settings. For example, setting speakers to Small vs Large, LFE THX vs LFE + Main, Ultra2 THX Sub On vs Off, XO 40Hz vs 80Hz, and other settings. Room Correction vs NO Room Correction.

I prefer Denon & Marantz, but others will have to find what's best for their systems.
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Here is an explanation from Doug Schneider about measurements for the GX100.

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/reader-feedback/453-monitor-audios-measurements

Also, are you using the port plugs?
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@ Bill Fitzmaurice

Maybe the amplifiers are supposed to be completly neutral, but they ain't. Don't try to convince me that all amplifiers are sounding the same.
Do you mean that you can't here any difference between, say; a Naim Nait XS-2, a Musical Fidelity M6i and a Tube Technology Unisis Signature?

No, the Monstercables were OK. They were not defective.

The speakers are known to be a bit bright, it has nothing to do with the room. The reverberation in the room are OK, not too much, not too little.


@ Comsysman

What do you mean with; "ALL balanced connections sound the same; ALL! Perfect sound all the time."?


@ AcuDefTechGuy

It's just a stereo amp.


@ Badouri

Thanks for the link. That's exactly what I hear and I want to tone down.
No, I'm not using any port plugs.
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No, the Monstercables were OK. They were not defective.
If you heard a difference they were. A cable that is not defective passes the signal with no alteration or coloration, what goes in at one end comes out at the other. If it doesn't do that it has defectively high resistance, capacitance, inductance or a combination of the three.

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If you heard a difference they were. A cable that is not defective passes the signal with no alteration or coloration, what goes in at one end comes out at the other. If it doesn't do that it has defectively high resistance, capacitance, inductance or a combination of the three.

This discussion will not lead anywhere. The Monster cables were not defective and we heard a clear difference. I was there, you were not.
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...The speakers are known to be a bit bright, it has nothing to do with the room..

It also has nothing to do with the amplifier or cables.

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This discussion will not lead anywhere. The Monster cables were not defective and we heard a clear difference. I was there, you were not.

If connectors sounded different, there was something wrong with them. Call them defective, or whatever you want, but the sound difference was either imagined or the result of crappy cables.

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...The Monster cables were not defective ..

How do you know? Did you measure the resistance, capacitance, and inductance of the cables? Do you even know why those things are important?

There are many people on this forum with more expertise in their areas than you or I could ever hope to have. It would be wise to listen to them.

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Thanks for the link. That's exactly what I hear and I want to tone down.
No, I'm not using any port plugs.

Some will tell you that a pricey tube amp is the solution but i honestly don't think you should spend money to "fix" the sound of a speaker that's voiced in a way you don't like.

I would sell them or make an exchange or upgrade deal with the Monitor Audio dealer.

Take care
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This discussion will not lead anywhere. The Monster cables were not defective and we heard a clear difference. I was there, you were not.
Show me the measurements. And you're right, this discussion will not lead anywhere. This explains why:



One last suggestion: If you don't want to learn anything don't waste other peoples time by asking questions.

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No, I didn’t measure the resistance, capacitance, and inductance of the cables, but my friend, who also heard the difference did. He measured both cables. And yes, he is a technician. We both worked at the same company; he as technician and I as an audio pre-mastering engineer. I have worked as an audio pre-mastering engineer for fifteen years so I think I did learn something during these years. But not in your eyes (ears) I understand.
Some of you already have made up your mind of how things are and how and why they sound. I think you should be a little more open minded.
So I will do you a favor, and myself; I will not post any more at this forum and let you discuss your truth with those who thinks as you do.

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