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Hello everyone. I have been lurking for quite some time but now my eyes are burning. I need a little help with my theatre room setup. My room is around 25'X15'. I plan on purchasing the Sony STR-DN1030, Denon AVR 1613,1913 or the ONKYO TX NR616 since they fall into my budget and the reviews were pretty good. I have several question about speakers and my setup. I have been searching differnet post but a lot of the speakers mentioned or suggested I have never heard of before. I only know the big box names sold in Best Buy like Bose, Sony, Pioneer, etc. My budget is around $800 for speakers. Should I buy a box set or seperates. I am leaning towards center speaker, L/R speakers, 2 rears. Does this sound OK. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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In my opinion ,Pioneer will give you the best sound. You can get the 2 floorsranders, center and 2 bookshelf and the denon 1613 for less than $800
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X2 On The Pioneers.

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Any particular brand?
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Pioneer is a brand....and Best Buy only sells one Pioneer tower, one center and one bookshelf speaker model.

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I meant size instead of brand. I see that Best Buy only sells one style. They seem to have really good reviews. I guess I'll check that out tomorrow. Thanks.
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I suggest staying away from the all in one box speakers. But at the same time don't get 5 different speaker brands. Try and pick up a set of matched speakers so that all your speakers have the same "voice," so to speak. I like the Infinity Primus series. If it's out of your budget, check craigslist or Amazon. Good luck with your set up.
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I suggest staying away from the all in one box speakers. But at the same time don't get 5 different speaker brands. Try and pick up a set of matched speakers so that all your speakers have the same "voice," so to speak. I like the Infinity Primus series. If it's out of your budget, check craigslist or Amazon. Good luck with your set up.
Pioneers are matched speakers.
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Yes, the Pioneers are matched. I was just suggesting not to mix and match.
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My ears tell me, having heard all three..
Infinity primus > Polk monitor > pioneer

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My ears tell me, having heard all three..
Infinity primus > Polk monitor > pioneer
Are you suggesting to mix those speakers or are you saying those are your top 3 suggestions? I gotta say I love the Primus series. I'm running with Infinity Alpha 50's for my fronts right now but first chance I get I'm scooping up some Primuses
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The point is to buy the speakers from the same brand, and get what sounds best to your ears.
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The point is to buy the speakers from the same brand, and get what sounds best to your ears.
Exactly, don't just go out and blindly buy whatever this forum suggests, sit down and audition different sets and listen to what your ears tell you... and then decide on the Infinity Primuses. Hahaha!
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Hello everyone. I have been lurking for quite some time but now my eyes are burning. I need a little help with my theatre room setup. My room is around 25'X15'. I plan on purchasing the Sony STR-DN1030, Denon AVR 1613,1913 or the ONKYO TX NR616 since they fall into my budget and the reviews were pretty good. I have several question about speakers and my setup. I have been searching differnet post but a lot of the speakers mentioned or suggested I have never heard of before. I only know the big box names sold in Best Buy like Bose, Sony, Pioneer, etc. My budget is around $800 for speakers. Should I buy a box set or seperates. I am leaning towards center speaker, L/R speakers, 2 rears. Does this sound OK. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Of the receivers you mentioned, I'd go with the Denon 1913. Stay away from Sony electronics.

Check out the Ascend CMT-340 SE and CMT-340 SE center. Get the surrounds (like the matching HTM-200 SE) a little later, if you must, since the left/center/right would be right at your current speaker budget. Or, just go for it, stretch it a bit, and ask for their package discount. They also have a deal where you get a discount on the fillable pedestals for the CMT-340 SE's if purchased at the same time (to make them full height towers). Better bang for your buck. Why not be happier at the start? Then add a subwoofer a little later.

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Exactly, don't just go out and blindly buy whatever this forum suggests, sit down and audition different sets and listen to what your ears tell you... and then decide on the Infinity Primuses. Hahaha!
Infinitys are good stands for pioneer bookshelfs
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Infinitys are good stands for pioneer bookshelfs
Hahahaha! Good one. biggrin.gif
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OK I went to Best Buy and listened to the Pioneer and other speaker setups. Compared to the Klipsch and Polk Audio speakers, they didn't sound as well. Is it the price point that make them so attractive? What is so bad about Sony receivers?
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OK I went to Best Buy and listened to the Pioneer and other speaker setups. Compared to the Klipsch and Polk Audio speakers, they didn't sound as well. Is it the price point that make them so attractive? What is so bad about Sony receivers?
When it comes to Sony, in my opinion, they are a Jack of all trades, master of none. Sony makes TV's, Playstation, computers, car stereos, movies, etc. As far as I know Onkyo and Denon only make A/V gear. Know what I mean?
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OK I went to Best Buy and listened to the Pioneer and other speaker setups. Compared to the Klipsch and Polk Audio speakers, they didn't sound as well. Is it the price point that make them so attractive?

It's how good they sound for the price that is attractive. That said, what sounds good depends in large part on personal preference. There are many who would say that Klipsch and Polk Audio speakers, especially in this price range, are screechy and almost painfully "bright." The lower-end Polk and Infinity speakers also have fairly readily audible cabinet resonances that "color" the sound, and not in a good way. To my ears, the latest Pioneer speakers avoid these issues, and pretty much do everything right--and as a result sound right--within their limitations as budget speakers. Obviously not everybody would agree, though, which is why it is important to audition speakers if you can and care to.
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OK I went to Best Buy and listened to the Pioneer and other speaker setups. Compared to the Klipsch and Polk Audio speakers, they didn't sound as well. Is it the price point that make them so attractive? What is so bad about Sony receivers?

As for Sony receivers... let me count the ways. They're piles of junk. Just ask a neighbor of mine and a few other friends who have bought Sony receivers only to have them go bad. Their TV's are better, thankfully.

Denon and its sister Marantz, while a bit more expensive for the features, seem to have a better reputation. Onkyo used to, but seems to have slipped a bit. Not as bad as Sony, though.

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i second the "stay away from Sony receivers" notion as well. before you buy anything, check out a local Home Theater specialist. you might be pleasantly surprised what you can get for the money.

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OK I went to Best Buy and listened to the Pioneer and other speaker setups. Compared to the Klipsch and Polk Audio speakers, they didn't sound as well. Is it the price point that make them so attractive? What is so bad about Sony receivers?
You have done the right thing by listening by yourself. Polk and Klipsch will sound better because those have greater sensitivity, they play louder with less power. Lower end Sony recievers dont sound as good as lower end Denons, Pioneers and Yamahas.
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You have done the right thing by listening by yourself. Polk and Klipsch will sound better because those have greater sensitivity, they play louder with less power.

Well, there is more to sound quality than efficiency, although that is an advantage in itself. It is true, however, that a speaker that is playing slightly more loudly than another at a given setting on the volume control will tend to sound better to most people, which is why it is important to match the speakers being compared in actual loudness before comparing them. This is the only way to be fair.
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Well, there is more to sound quality than efficiency, although that is an advantage in itself. It is true, however, that a speaker that is playing slightly more loudly than another at a given setting on the volume control will tend to sound better to most people, which is why it is important to match the speakers being compared in actual loudness before comparing them. This is the only way to be fair.
That would be true a few years back, but all the eq software in modern avr's make speakers sound the almost the same.
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Well, there is more to sound quality than efficiency, although that is an advantage in itself. It is true, however, that a speaker that is playing slightly more loudly than another at a given setting on the volume control will tend to sound better to most people, which is why it is important to match the speakers being compared in actual loudness before comparing them. This is the only way to be fair.
That would be true a few years back, but all the eq software in modern avr's make speakers sound the almost the same.

This would depend on how things are set up in the store when doing comparisons.
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As for Sony receivers... let me count the ways. They're piles of junk. Just ask a neighbor of mine and a few other friends who have bought Sony receivers only to have them go bad. thankfully.

More internet FUD. I had one for 11 years (it eventually died). The newer Sony AVRs like the one the OP listed have been getting good to excellent reviews. Sound wise there is nothing that separates any of the entry level AVRs. Most reviews of the Sony mention that Sony's ARC worked just as well as Audessey did in the lower end Denon's.

There are device failures in all brands.

For the OP, get the one that you like best and best fits your budget. Don't let a bunch of anonymous internet "experts" sway you.

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More internet FUD. I had one for 11 years (it eventually died). The newer Sony AVRs like the one the OP listed have been getting good to excellent reviews. Sound wise there is nothing that separates any of the entry level AVRs. Most reviews of the Sony mention that Sony's ARC worked just as well as Audessey did in the lower end Denon's.

There are device failures in all brands.

For the OP, get the one that you like best and best fits your budget. Don't let a bunch of anonymous internet "experts" sway you.

It's not FUD, if I've actually known too many people that bought Sony receivers and had problems of one sort or another with them. My neighbor had a nightmare dealing with Sony trying to get his fixed. They finally gave him his money back. He got a Denon instead and it's been trouble free.

Certain brands have better reputations than the basic Sony brand of receivers.

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It's not FUD, if I've actually known too many people that bought Sony receivers and had problems of one sort or another with them. My neighbor had a nightmare dealing with Sony trying to get his fixed. They finally gave him his money back. He got a Denon instead and it's been trouble free.

Certain brands have better reputations than the basic Sony brand of receivers.

Just because YOU know a person or two who claims to have had trouble doesn't make it so that the everyone will have trouble. 2 or 10 out of 10,000,000? I know people or a person who had trouble with a Chevy and then bought a Ford that had no problems so now all Chevies are unreliable and all Fords are trouble free??? Makes about as much sense. rolleyes.gif

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