Although this thread shows there are some unhappy people...mostly with tekton' s service, there are a lot of people that love their loudspeakers...so, why not call them and see if they have any available stock.
Otherwise, check out the home theater shack review and shoot out of under $1 k speakers..they really liked the Arx 5 and the Martin Logan motion 12. Neither is as efficient as the lore...but not terribly inefficient either.
I understand that things have changed a lot as his cabinet man left and Eric became inundated with business as word got around about these gems of speakers. We have the Lores.
They are some of the best speakers we have ever owned (that's out of 17 pairs). They have become our main speakers, replacing some much more expensive brands. We are using Cary manufactured equipment with Pangea power cords and Nordost and other high end interconnects, all running on PS Audio power cleaners, with a Vortexbox streaming the music.
I don't know why Eric has become less than polite from the stories I hear. I think his workload has become very stressful. I think he is making a mistake expanding his product line into cinema and not offering some of the upgrades on the Lores that he used to. I wish we could have afforded the upgraded capacitors, but after paying for the speakers and the wood finish, we were tapped out on our speaker budget.
I am considering the Lores, but after reading this thread not so sure. Does anyone know when
this was posted on the Tekton site? Has he taken the steps to remedy his production problems?
Fellow Audiophiles and Music Lovers,
We at Tekton Design are ecstatic with the progress and growth that has come upon us in these past few months. It seems as though more and more are beginning to experience the transcendent thrill of pure, unbridled music and sound. It has always been our purpose to provide the best quality loudspeakers so to bring you, the listener, and the artist closer together. We are pleased to confirm that we continue with the same pledge and mission. It is quite clear that the future holds great promise.
Along the same lines we are aware that, as we continue to grow and expand, there are certain growing pains that must be endured. This was anticipated. Our main priority has always and will always be: the bliss felt by each owner of Tekton Design speakers as they enjoy the experience of multi-award winning audio designs. We take pride in each component and variable of our work and seek to provide the very best for all.
Therefore, we have made arrangements to better our services so that communication and logistics run as smoothly as possible. Talented artists, craftsmen, and apprentices have been recruited and specific jobs appointed so that production can be run more efficiently and time can be allocated appropriately. With the increase of demand, we have stepped up to the plate and increased our resources to satisfy on all levels. We accept accountability for any perceived miscommunications and occasional “longer than expected” lead times that occurred due to the influx of orders. We are grateful for the appreciation and praise that we have received on account of Tekton Design’s innovative, inspired, and leading-edge products . We humbly thank all for your patience and loyalty as we continue to smooth out the rough edges and allow all the privilege of hearing music as we believe it should be heard.
President & CEO
Tekton Design, LLC
Having now owned a pair of Lores for 11 months, I can tell you that if you do decide to go this direction and you want a "live music presentation" with depth, scale, punch and detail, the Lores will do the job.... and they are really easy to drive! Recognize that that all of the Tekton speaker are made in relatively small batches and so it may take 3 weeks and it may take 8 weeks depending how many orders they have on hand...either way, they are worth the wait. If you want grills, then be sure to specify up front that the grills must ship with the speakers. Every now and then, you will see a pair of Lores on Audion or ebay...but they rarely have the grills and they usually command a pretty good price.
One more thing...my sense is that Tekton has sold thousands and thousands of speakers with only a very few complaints noted on the forums...so that, along with the relative few being resold and the high resale price speak to what I suspect is the fact that Eric has a lot of satisfied customers
Could anyone please advise what the exact model of the 10" transducer used in the Lore's?
I'm looking to replace this part as one of mine is producing a crackling sound that I believe is coming from the transducer.
I've confirmed the problem exists with one speaker only, if I shift all balance to left it's crackles, all to right and it's fine.
I've replaced the speaker cable & since it can't be a source problem (all is fine when going through the right speaker) I assume it's must be a damaged part in the left speaker.
FYI I brought these second hand & live in Australia so part replacement seems like my best bet, feel free to add any other suggestions if I'm missing something.
If the crackling sound stays with the speaker when you switch the speaker wires, then before you go buying a new driver, the problem may be a poor/intermittent connection from the crossover to the driver. I don't know how the attachment is made but if it's just a removable connector, just take it off and on a couple of times clean the oxide buildup.
I removed the driver but was unable to remove the internal wiring as it was soldered on, however when screwing the driver back into the cabinet I noticed that one of the scews didnt quite catch, I packed the hole and scewed it in tight and now it's all sorted
Must have been air leakage that I confused for crackling.
I'm stoked it's fixed
Thanks for the assistance.
Other than that, even with the minimal amount of time I've had to listen to them I can't tell you how impressed I am with these speaker. Absolutely stunning really.
Make something idiot-proof, and they will build a better idiot
The reverse sibililance as I call it doesn't happen with every male voice, just on one of the tv shows I've watched and that was also the same with the slightly boomy bass. I just watched Frozen with the new speakers and no issue with any of the above.
Make something idiot-proof, and they will build a better idiot
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1. Are the M Lores really that good and still sounding good from owners who have them for a while now?
2. The stigma of delayed deliveries and bad customer service, still on going?
Thanks a bunch
Leak Stereo 20
Definitive Pro100, 5.1 system
Klipsch RF-82 II
a Yamaha R-1000 that has been revamped, M&K LP1 crossover, and a Blossom 10" sealed sub for 2.1 in my hometheater
being feed by a high HTPC and a Audioquest Dragon Fly DAC. I believe in cables and line conditioning and can hear the
difference some say it is smoke and mirrors but none the less I appreciate them. I have owned Cary,VTL,Manley,Counterpoint,
Adcom,Anthem,Sansui 9500 integrated,Pioneer 9500 integrated and so on. Kef 104,Merlin VSM,Acoustats,Paradigm,. Energy Veritas.,pro 22 and connisours, Ads 910,Klispch RF-7,Heresy's,CF-2 modded,Forte's,Boston Lynnfield 500Mirage M1 towers and so on.
This is not a brag post but to give you some insight of some of the gear I have owned over the past 30 years. I bought the
Lore's not for the hype but looking for a unique sound. A live I am there sound that does not cost an arm and a leg. As for specs a lot of the gear I have owned spec well but sounding just ok or reviewed well by Stereophile or Absolute sound
only to fall flat on it's face in my home. Will I like or don't like the Lore's that is to be determined but to anyone wanting to get this thread back on track I will be glad to participate. Look forward to Monday when I can start understanding what makes
the Lore's tic.
not disappoint the drums where out of this world with speaker hitting every note that was played with speed and accuracy. The sound stage was everything I have read about and
was a perfect match for my 13 X 18 theater. I have about 25 hours on them now and they
seem to get better the more they break in. I am happy with my Lore purchase and the service
provided by Eric and Tekton. Would I recommend them to a friend? 100% yes.
But recently I spoke several times with Eric Alexander, proprietor of Tekton Design, about my experience, listening habits and goals. On his considered recommendation, I ordered the Lore 2.0. As it turned out, he had a pair of black units just about ready to go and so we agreed that he would first ship the speakers and the grills would follow when he made them. A few minutes after we hung up, he called me back to say that the speakers would ship that day.
Once delivered, I decided to put the Lores in about the same location as the Klipsch and break them in by playing a classical music audio channel from DirecTV at normal listening levels for a few days. I attached the provided Lore speaker spikes and placed the speakers on 1-1/2” maple cutting boards. (The boards allow me to easily change the position of the 50 pound plus speakers by sliding them as needed on the carpet. Given the acoustically very difficult dimensions of the room, I took it for granted that I would be doing some serous re-positioning of the Lores, as had been needed with the Klipsch.)
The black piano-like finish of the Lore cabinets is quite handsome and the 40” height x 12” width presents a less intrusive visual element than I had expected. The 10” woofer is unconventionally placed above the 4” tweeter with two 4” ports placed vertically in the bottom third of the cabinet.
After about 20 hours, my curiosity got the better of me and I decided to try and get a feel for what the speakers were doing. I must say that I was not overwhelmed - the speakers sounded a bit constrained in all registers and the soundstage was not terribly impressive.
After another 20 hours, though, things clearly had improved. As I listened, I wondered if the speakers were optimally located and began moving them around. I had started with them about 8’ in front of my normal listening position on the sofa against the back wall and with no toe-in. Eventually, I began moving them further away, which seemed to improve the sound (and, of course, they were continuing to break in). Once they were at just under 12’ in front, I experimented with toe-in and found that, unlike the Klipsch which were happiest with no toe-in, an angle in resulting in about a 3” difference between the corners seemed to work best for the Lore’s at that distance. So now I could begin serious listening.
When testing speakers, I have been using the same compiled CD for quite a few years. Here is what I heard for each track.
The first cut is the overture to “Mack and Mabel.” While technically, the recording is not great, I have found that many otherwise satisfactory speakers are significantly challenged to accurately reproduce the sound of the saxophones and the banjo against the textures of a Broadway pit orchestra. In addition, the orchestration deliberately aims at the sound of bands from the 1920’s and 30’s. With the Lore, not only could I hear the banjo, but I could hear that it was playing more passages than I had heard with the Klipsch. As well, it seemed that there were somehow more instruments playing than formerly.
The opening of Sondheim’s “A Little Night Music” is next. This piece was chosen because the singers are arranged at the sides and at various depths on the stage. As well, the orchestration is somewhat spare but also unusual for a Broadway musical and provides a good test for the reproduction of male and female voices, individual instruments and soundstage depth. Here, the Lore were fine for voices and instruments, but the soundstage was not nearly as deep as the Klipsch. I should mention that, while I had always heard the oboe parts, I had never before realized that a bassoon is also used in the overture.
Last on my disk is the third movement (Adagio) of Rachmaninov’s 2nd symphony with the Royal Philharmonic Orchetstra conducted by Andre Previn. This movement presents the famous clarinet solo and both plucked and bowed double basses, Here, not only can I get a good idea of the bass range of the speakers, but also their ability to create a balanced clear presentation of the orchestra playing quietly with a variety of textures from the various choirs.
It was clear that, while the bass ranges of the Klipsch and the Lore’s are numerically relatively close, the Lore’s are clearly superior in producing clearly defined low ranges of the brass and the strings in both pitch and timbre. Once again, though, the soundstage of the Lore was not nearly as deep at the 12’ distance from my listening position as was the Klipsch at 8’ away
As I thought about it, I remembered the dramatic improvement in the soundstage of the Klipsch when an Emotiva engineer first suggested I try moving them closer. That process had been somewhat laborious since I needed to listen every few inches to make sure I hadn’t overshot the optimum location. As noted above, I had already had the Lore’s closer without much joy - but that was before they had had a chance to break in, so I figured it was worth a try.
Finally, after much sliding and listening, at 8’ 4” from my listening position and with a reduced toe-in of about 1/2”, (and break-in now at about 50 hours) the soundstage suddenly became three dimensional and fully developed with a “sweet spot” covering almost the length of the sofa. Moreover. the speakers no longer seemed to be the source of the music. I also moved the speakers apart until they were within a couple of inches of the sidewalls, which further improved the perception of the soundstage. (This, of course, breaks the convention that speakers need about 24” on either side, but the sound of the Lore’s was the better for it in my room.)
Going back to my test CD tracks made it clear that everything was better closer in. As I tried other music, from Pink Martini to Mozart, it was clear that the Lore 2.0 is quite wonderful in its clarity and presentation of what is to be heard from the music source. Now at the proper distance, the soundstage was fully as rich as the Klipsch but with much better definition of individual voices and instruments. Listening at low volumes was also enjoyable - they needn’t be blasting to hold your attention.
Since these speakers also serve as the fronts for my home theater system, I wanted to hear what happened in that use as well.
Here again, the sense of 3 dimensions and clarity was of great help. In “Strictly Ballroom” there is a scene of a dance school classroom. The music for the class is supplied by a record player in the back corner of the room. The camera pulls up and to the left to show the entire classroom. Remarkably, the music seems to be coming from the lower right rear of the picture - just as it should be.
A current release, “Ex Machina” proved to be less of a challenge than I had hoped for. The Lore’s offer faithful reproduction. If what goes in is not especially distinguished, then what comes out will be the same. Lots of wide volume swings, a helicopter and a wide rushing over rocks river are all accurately presented. But there wasn’t much in the way of subtle touches that could have substantially enhanced the visual experience. Frankly, I don’t know that any other speakers would have made much of a difference with this film.
“Woman In Gold” was next up. In this film, the restrained surround sound engineering seems to be aimed at simply providing a natural sense of being present in the scenes. No pyrotechnics, just an appropriately even soundscape.
I want also to mention the speaker grills. They are comprised of an ultra-lite material stapled to a shaped lightweight frame which uses four pins inserted into the receptacles on the speaker cabinet. Once on, the overall appearance of the Lore 2.0 is significantly changed to a more conventional look. However, I found that there is a small but noticeable attenuation of the sound by the grills at exactly the wrong place for me - that part of the mid-range response that provides “presence.” The difference is somewhat like that between a semi-gloss and a gloss finish enamel paint. With the grills on, the reproduction and the definition of the instruments was still present, but the life of the music seemed to have been cut in half and my engagement wit the sound was significantly reduced.
So, grills off and hats off to the Lore 2.0 speakers! Even in my difficult room and with the speakers obviously not fully broken in, I have gained a significant improvement in my sound system at a price my budget could tolerate.
I have always found that there is a difference between listening to the music and listening to the system producing it. It is a tribute to the Lore 2.0 speakers that they continuously made it hard to concentrate to preserve the difference.
Tekton Design Lore 2.0 Speakers with Grills - delivered price $1082.00
Listening Room Details
My listening room is approximately 18’ long by 9’ wide with an 8’ ceiling. Audio and video equipment are at one end of the room and seating is a lightly framed 6.5‘ sofa with 4” foam cushioning at the other end. The sofa abuts a 2’ doorway at the corner of the room. Both an end and a side wall are mainly windows covered with lightweight drapes, while the wall behind the sofa is floor to ceiling filled book shelving. Listening measurements are taken from my ears to the plane of the front of the speakers.
Panasonic 50” plasma TV
Direct TV HD H23-600 HD Receiver
Rotel RCD-855 CD player
Oppo BDP 80 Video player
Grant Fidelity B-283 Tube Processor (between CD player and Processor)
Emotiva UMC-1 AV Processor (audio use only)
Emotiva XPA-3 amplifier - 200 wpc @ 8 ohms / 330 wpc @ 4 ohms
Emotiva UPA-2 amplifier - 125 wpc @ 8 ohms / 185 wpc @ 4 ohms
Speaker cabling to fronts - Jersey Giant Speaker cable 12 gauge oxygen free stranded copper
Speaker cabling to rears - 14 gauge stranded copper
Center channel speaker - Klipsch SC-1
Rear speakers - Acculine A-1
Subwoofer - Dali S 1.2 (LFE only)
All AC devices powered through APC H-15 Power conditioner
Unbelievable bass. Never would have expected that kind of clean bass from such a wimpy source.
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The only other thing I have here are bookshelf studio monitors I use for mixing, which sound a lot boxier in comparison.
Later I got to shootout the Lores with Zu Soul Superflys ($3200) at a friend's house, which I found to have a similar sound signature to the Lores, but didn't better them in any particular area. The thing that bothers me is there were many people early on in this thread stating that Zu speakers were far superior to Tektons, when (IMO) that's clearly not the case. Kind of ridiculous when you also consider the price difference.
The Lores go insanely deep with bass, which makes me happy as I've never found a separate sub to be 100% cohesive with full sized towers. They're also very open and instruments/vocals sound very realistic. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend these to anyone who's buying speakers on a budget.
Leotis, can you elaborate a little more how your Lores are with the WA5? I'm a big headphones fan, so wouldn't mind picking up a WA5 for pull double duty for headphones and speakers.