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Hello everyone.

I'm looking for some advise on buying some new speakers for my living room. The room is quite large as it an open concept between the living room / kitchen. Living room is 12' x 16' with 9' ceiling. The kitchen is roughly the same at 10' x 16' x 9' ceiling.

I have a HK AVR 146 powering a 10 year old Pro-Linear system. PL5.6T (10" x 10" x 10") & PL5.4BC. My 8" Pro-Linear sub recently died. http://www.pro-linear.com/5series.htm

I'm just looking for the 5.1 speakers for now as I'll buy a new Denon AVR-1713 receiver in a few months.

This is my main media room and is seen by all of our guests so looks is a concern.

I've been trying to decide between:

jamo 5.0 system with a sub
http://www.costco.ca/Jamo%E2%84%A2-5.0-Surround-Home-Cinema-System.product.10335227.html

Kef t100 with front speaker stand. Wall mount isn't a option
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/kef-kef-flat-panel-5-1-speaker-system-t100-6-speakers-t100/10182832.aspx?path=6f3adaea77990edbc840c99329132eecen02


Boston:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/boston-acoustics-boston-acoustics-tower-speaker-cs260-ii-single-speaker-cs260-ii/10176815.aspx?path=8811df74a41ed73bc4299c165eeaaabcen02&SearchPageIndex=1
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/boston-acoustics-boston-acoustics-centre-speaker-cs225c-ii-boston-acoustics/10176817.aspx?path=7b2f45146ee2b42918b391dac569cde9en02&SearchPageIndex=1
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/boston-acoustics-boston-acoustics-bookshelf-speaker-cs26b-ii-single-speaker-cs26b-ii/10176816.aspx?path=58c84c1bd5886de33daf9dc4801501c4en02&SearchPageIndex=1
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/boston-acoustics-boston-acoustics-10-subwoofer-csub10b-ii-csub10b-ii/10176814.aspx?path=db5b8704ab87b2386aebf35481c18d70en02&SearchPageIndex=1

Best buy always have sales so I'm assuming I'll be able to get the boston set for a decent price.

Usage will be TV / Movies = 80% Music = 20%

Thanks in advance..
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Personally, I would go with an SVS PB1000 sub and a 5.0 Pioneer-based system using the 2nd generation version of the Andrew Jones speakers.
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If you're interested in KEF I would take either of these over the T-series.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFKHT20053K1BLK/KEF-Kht2005.3-5.1-Speaker-Package-with-Kube1-Sub-Black/1.html
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFKHT3005BLKSEK2/KEF-Kht3005se-5.1-Speaker-Package-with-Kube2-subwoofer-Black/1.html
The second set is $1100 but worth it just for the sub.

I think any of the following options would probably be better though ...

Cambridge Audio:
- S30 pair LR mains (220)
- S50 center (200)
- S20 pair surrounds (150)
Speakers total 570

Arx:
- A1b LCR (470)
- Cambridge Audio S20 pair surrounds (150)
Speakers total 620.

Sub options:
Klipsch RW-12D for 350.
SVS SB-1000 or PB-1000 for 500.

The Klipsch sub is commonly considered a very respectable "budget" HT sub, but the SVS subs are a step up. Speaker wise the Arx are a step up from the Cambridge Audio.

One last thing to consider ... Maybe you can use the two best speakers from your current system as surrounds for now. This would allow you to get better new speakers up front (LCR) and a better sub (like the SVS). You might find the old speakers work fine as surrounds, or you could upgrade the surrounds later.
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+1 to the Pioneer, Cambridge, and Arx suggestions above.

Although I would forgo the SVS SB-1000 for the SVS PB-1000 given the size of your total open area. The SB-1000 is best for smaller rooms.

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+1 on the Arx. I think A1b's across the front with the CA S20's would be a nice system. Subwoofer choice, I would get the SVS PB1000 or the HSU VTF-1.
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Thanks for your input... I ordered the kef KHT3005 from costco.ca

I post a review in a couple weeks.
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Can't say I would have gone that route (instead of the multiple combo's posted) with a room of that size, but that's why they make different things!

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Thanks for your input... I ordered the kef KHT3005 from costco.ca

I post a review in a couple weeks.
Please do, iv'e been wanting to hear from someone that has this system. I have been debating the same thing the last 3 weeks. Problem with the ARX A1's and Cambridge S30's is no one has them in stock so they are unavailable at this time. If you want speakers now forget those 2 models. My first choice was the Cambridge S30's S50 center,S20 rears with a SVS SB-1000 sub. Or even use the Minx Min 11 or 21's for the surrounds.
I would be interested in hearing how you like the KEF KHT3005 system for music. I have no doubt it would be great for movies!

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Garage; Sherwood RX-4105 2 channel stereo receiver, Samsung DVD-C500 CD player, Klipsch KG 2.5 med oak speakers
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Problem with the ARX A1's and Cambridge S30's is no one has them in stock so they are unavailable at this time. If you want speakers now forget those 2 models.

The Arx A1b's are instock and usually ship next day. They are not sold in stores and are internet direct only, Arx is like SVS, HSU, Epik, Aperion, Emotiva, Rythmik, Power Sound, JTR, Seaton, in that they only sell on the internet and direct from the company. If you were to see Arx speakers in a retail location they would probably be close or almost double the $299 plus shipping price ($20ish). Same goes for most of the ID companies, most will agree that they offer the best bang for the buck and usually better performing than retail brands costing much more.

http://www.theaudioinsider.com/manufacturers.php?mPath=13 The Arx A2c and A3c are the ones out of stock right now but will be back in a month or so. The A1b bookshelf and A5 tower is instock and ready.
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Don't bother with the ARX's , it would be like putting money in an envelope and mailing it to China. No one of any importance has even bothered revueing these speakers. A great value at the expense of some poor Chinese worker.
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Can't say I would have gone that route (instead of the multiple combo's posted) with a room of that size, but that's why they make different things!

The bookshelf speakers wouldn't work for me as it would be the same size as floor speakers once you include the stand. Decided to give kef a try, nothing but good reviews out there and they look sharp (yes I know that it's the sound that matters). Also I could return them to Costco if they are horribly bad.


Anyone know what type of speaker stand that this would mount on? The kef stands are expensive. I'm thinking I should be able to make it work on a after market type.
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In their price range the KEF 3005 are excellent satellites - particularly their imaging and soundstage. And they do play surprising well at medium loud volumes.

You may not need floor stands as the stand/bracket they come with is very versatile, including being wall mountable.

I'm eager to hear your review ; )
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Don't bother with the ARX's , it would be like putting money in an envelope and mailing it to China. No one of any importance has even bothered revueing these speakers. A great value at the expense of some poor Chinese worker.

Theres alot of companys that use China for manufacturering. Paradigm Monitor line is a good example, Mission, Jamo, Polk, Emotiva, and dozens and dozens more. Ian from Axiom has all his drivers (minus subwoofers) made in China, you own Axiom right? Wonder why its ok for Ian to send millions of dollars to China to exploit cheap labor but no one else can? How about you show some outrage on Axioms forum about them sending money to China.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/speaker-subwoofer-reviews/65546-arx-a1b-a2b-speaker-review.html Jim Wilson is far from being a nobody. Its just Arx doesn't use all that money they save by exploited cheap labor to buy positive reviews. I guess Axiom bang for the buck at the expense of some poor Chinese worker.
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Theres alot of companys that use China for manufacturering..
Not a lot. Most. Even those companies that assemble their goods in the US, Canada and Mexico get most, if not all, of the parts from Asia. That includes driver manufacturers.

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Hard to complain about made in China products when reading this from a made in China computer or phone...
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I just checked out pics Socketman has posted - it looks like an advertisement for a Chinese sweat shop biggrin.gif

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Hard to complain about made in China products when reading this from a made in China computer or phone...


Truer words have not been said, i do what i can to no buy chinese but its becomes harder everyday. I always find it Interesting how the tangent a thread can take off in multiple directions with some many opinions smile.gif Just my opinion ,but some effort needs to be made to keep some jobs for ourselves and slow down the invasion of the chinese. I constantly read about counterfeit goods the chinese make and its maddening. SKF bearing seizes millions of dollars worth of product that is counterfeit and it doesnt faze the chinese one bit. And the infereior products sully the reputation of companies like SKF. They reverse engineer GM cars and call them their own ,im sure it is done to others as well. Why do we trust a country so untrustworthy.
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Truer words have not been said, i do what i can to no buy chinese but its becomes harder everyday. I always find it Interesting how the tangent a thread can take off in multiple directions with some many opinions smile.gif Just my opinion ,but some effort needs to be made to keep some jobs for ourselves and slow down the invasion of the chinese. I constantly read about counterfeit goods the chinese make and its maddening. SKF bearing seizes millions of dollars worth of product that is counterfeit and it doesnt faze the chinese one bit. And the infereior products sully the reputation of companies like SKF. They reverse engineer GM cars and call them their own ,im sure it is done to others as well. Why do we trust a country so untrustworthy.

This was a personal reflexion and not directed at you.

I'm done posting here anyway.

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Hello everyone...newbies here! I got the pioneer sc-1522-k reciever. So now, i need a professional advice which speakers package should i get for 5.1,7.1 set up. I'm thinking klipsch icon kf-26 for floor stander, and kc-25 for center. Or pioneer sp-pk52fs? Any suggestions better than this. My living room size is 12'x16'x8' hardwood flooring. Thank you in advance. My budget 500-1000
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Do take a look at your local Craigslist for some speaker brand you recognize. Just as an example, I looked at my own local list for the last two days and found these 5 Athena speakers for $120 (without sub or stands):

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Truer words have not been said, i do what i can to no buy chinese but its becomes harder everyday. I always find it Interesting how the tangent a thread can take off in multiple directions with some many opinions smile.gif Just my opinion ,but some effort needs to be made to keep some jobs for ourselves and slow down the invasion of the chinese. I constantly read about counterfeit goods the chinese make and its maddening. SKF bearing seizes millions of dollars worth of product that is counterfeit and it doesnt faze the chinese one bit. And the infereior products sully the reputation of companies like SKF. They reverse engineer GM cars and call them their own ,im sure it is done to others as well. Why do we trust a country so untrustworthy.

Theres tons of conterfiet products, car audio stuff like Hertz, DLS, Morel, Rainbow ect... All have black market copys that is not legit.

But don't insinuate that ARX or The Audio Insider is somehow inferior and is counterfeit. They are as real and legit as any other "Canadian" assembled speaker. I take issue with counterfiet products that come from China, not legit products made in supervised factorys from respected companies.
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Got the Kef speakers on Friday.

The sound coming out of these bad boys is amazing for both movies and music. It did take me a few hours to tweak the settings on my HK receiver to get it just right.

I also got the denon AVR - 1713 receiver and the a b-tech bt-11 stands. It took some doing to get the speakers mounted on the stand but it's fairly sturdy and looks sharp.

The Denon auto calibration was able to make the speakers sound even better in about 10 minutes. I would highly recommend this feature.
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Congrats on the new setup!!! smile.gif

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Congrats - glad to hear you like what you hear from the speakers ; )

Also, great find on the stands - bet they look great with KEF eggs!
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