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I would do 802D2 (2) + 805D2 (3) for $22,500, minus 10% discounts, say $22,000 delivered w/ tax. biggrin.gif

Dual Rythmik FV15HP subs for $2400, total now $24,400, which leaves $10,600 for amp + processor. I think the Rotel RSP-1572 Processor and RMB-1575 amplifier would be just fine.

Sub comparison: 2m SPL @ 32/40/50/60 Hz.

Paradigm Sig Sub2: 109.9/113.2/116.9/120.2
Velodyne DD18+: 113.0/115.8/116.8/115.3
SVS PB13 Ultra: 115.5/117.5/117.8/116.6
Rythmik FV15HP: 117.0/119.5/119.1/118.8 ************* biggrin.gif

$1200 B&W ASW-610: 96.1/101.5/105.9/108.9 *********** eek.gif
$300 BIC PL-200: 102.5/107.7/110.4/108.1

Considering how pathetic the B&W ASW-610 performed compared to a lowly cheap $300 BIC subwoofer, I have absolutely no confidence in the DB1.

If you want a nicer looking sub, the SVS PB13 Ultra is $3600 for 2 subs (10% discount for 2 subs) and comes in gloss piano black, especially if you are getting the 802D2 in gloss piano black. biggrin.gif
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Hi there,
I am from Ottawa.... I am pairing my B&W 802 Diamond Series with a pair of Bryston 28B SST2 and Bryston BP 26 Preamp... They match very well and sound beautiful together... some people said the 802 Diamond Series need at least 500 to 1000 hours to break in..well they were probably right... but i found that the 802 sound superbly wonderful even the first time you listen to it... and enjoy more and more each time i listen to it... (So who has time to wait for the break-in )

For Speaker selections: i have the change to listen to these three models: Audio Wilson Sasha, B&W 802 Diamond Model and the Usher BE-10 <> I opted for the B&W 802 Diamond
As for the Power Amp/Preamp selections... I was picking out three models: Audio Research Reference Series Model 250 or the Anniversary Model, The Pass Labs X600.5 or X350.5 and the Bryston 28B SST2., I like the 25 years warranty on Bryston so tis my set up... I am in the process of DIY Turntable using all pieces from VPI to build a similar to the VPI HR-X tt...

Good luck on your Power Amp Search...
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Wow, 28Bs! Bryston makes good stuff but I know two who raved about the 28s, one with Kef Blades the other with Revel Salon2s. Just curious, why did you not go with 800 Diamonds?

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Hi there,
I am from Ottawa.... I am pairing my B&W 802 Diamond Series with a pair of Bryston 28B SST2 and Bryston BP 26 Preamp... They match very well and sound beautiful together... some people said the 802 Diamond Series need at least 500 to 1000 hours to break in..well they were probably right... but i found that the 802 sound superbly wonderful even the first time you listen to it... and enjoy more and more each time i listen to it... (So who has time to wait for the break-in )

For Speaker selections: i have the change to listen to these three models: Audio Wilson Sasha, B&W 802 Diamond Model and the Usher BE-10 <> I opted for the B&W 802 Diamond
As for the Power Amp/Preamp selections... I was picking out three models: Audio Research Reference Series Model 250 or the Anniversary Model, The Pass Labs X600.5 or X350.5 and the Bryston 28B SST2., I like the 25 years warranty on Bryston so tis my set up... I am in the process of DIY Turntable using all pieces from VPI to build a similar to the VPI HR-X tt...

Good luck on your Power Amp Search...
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Dude! Your amps are worth more than your speakers eek.gif

I have 802 Diamonds being powered by 4B-SST's. I can only imagine how sweet the 802's must sound at low volumes in particular with the 28's. I would like to use 7B's with my 802's one day. Due to their price 28's would be reserved for 800's, I couldn't live with myself if my amps cost more than my speakers biggrin.gif

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@ Jima4a and @ Rod#S

It seems the 28SST2 and 802 Diamond paired very well together , I listen to all types of Music (not much country's) and they all sound beautiful... and i got a good deal on both...
I did listened to the Bryston 4B SST2, the 7B monoblocks SST2 , the 14B SST2 then finally the 28B SST2 paired on the 802 Diamond just to hear the different..., even with the 4B SST2, IMO they both superbly well... but each time you move up one step on the Bryston Amps... the sounds and everything else seems clearer and better.. so in the end i went for the 28B SST2 and very very happy since...
I am in the process of DIY/Rebuilding my Turntables: i have 3 Lenco L75, Thorens TD-125MK2 with Rabco SL 8a Arm, Pioneer PL-560 and now DIY a VPI HR-X...

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Hi there,
I am from Ottawa.... I am pairing my B&W 802 Diamond Series with a pair of Bryston 28B SST2 and Bryston BP 26 Preamp... They match very well and sound beautiful together... some people said the 802 Diamond Series need at least 500 to 1000 hours to break in..well they were probably right... but i found that the 802 sound superbly wonderful even the first time you listen to it... and enjoy more and more each time i listen to it... (So who has time to wait for the break-in )

For Speaker selections: i have the change to listen to these three models: Audio Wilson Sasha, B&W 802 Diamond Model and the Usher BE-10 <> I opted for the B&W 802 Diamond
As for the Power Amp/Preamp selections... I was picking out three models: Audio Research Reference Series Model 250 or the Anniversary Model, The Pass Labs X600.5 or X350.5 and the Bryston 28B SST2., I like the 25 years warranty on Bryston so tis my set up... I am in the process of DIY Turntable using all pieces from VPI to build a similar to the VPI HR-X tt...

Good luck on your Power Amp Search...
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Nice. Did you perhaps listen to the Pass amps? I'm purchasing an X350.5 that should be here around the end of the month.

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I am extremely happy with the pairing of my Mcintosh MC452 with my 802Diamonds smile.gif
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Nice. Did you perhaps listen to the Pass amps? I'm purchasing an X350.5 that should be here around the end of the month.
What speakers are you pairing with the X350.5? Very nice!

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Sonny, thanks for the follow up! Extremely nice set-up. Congrats

Main Kef: Reference 205/2 & 202/2c, Surrounds: Kef XQ40, Velodyne Optimum 12, Integra DHC 80.3, Oppo BDP-103, Bryston 4Bsst2, Parasound Halo A31. Second B&W: 685 (3), CCM618, Def Tech Powerfield 1500, Onkyo TX-NR1008, DBP 2010, Samsung BD-C7900, Zone 2 Klipsch AW650. Sitting still CCM616, Kef...
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I am extremely happy with the pairing of my Mcintosh MC452 with my 802Diamonds smile.gif
From what I have read and been told by a source at Kef, the MC452 would pair extremely well with my 205/2s. Another great amp that I would love to have.

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Since we are talking great amps should include the Classe' CA-M600s for 800/802s. Although Sonny's 28Bs would be my top choice. I'd take any of the above for sure.

Edit: if I lived in a cooler climate, Parasound JC1s would be a great choice. I don't see a lot these mentioned with the 802/800s. You do see the A21/31/51 quite often, at least for 802, not for 800.

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What speakers are you pairing with the X350.5? Very nice!

Well, the amp costs a bit more than the speakers... The speakers will be doing some rotating depending on mood. I will be using Philharmonic 3's and Magnepan 3.7's. I'm also buying a pair of Magnepan 3.6's that are en route to Magnepan for a complete rebuild that I want to really A/B against the 3.7's as I think I liked my old 3.6's better than the 3.7's. Preamp is an Audible Illusions Line 3.

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Wow... That is a killer amp there... actually i thought about the X350.5 at first..but i did not get a better deal and i was trying to come up with enough money to pay for the 802 Diamond... so in the end i just have enough money to pay for both the Bryston 28B SST2 and B&W 802 Diamond..and very happy since..
Yes i am very sure You will be very happy with the X350.5... I am thinking about buying the Pass Labs XP25... but also trying to listen to other phono preamps now too...
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There was a guy in Toronto have the Killer Amps Pass Labs X350.5 and he paired with the Wilson Sasha.. man i wish i have enough money to go for the set up... however i am very very happy with my set up, i got a good deal for my Bryston 28B SST2 and B&W 802 Diamond Speakers... i got very close to 30% off retailed price. They sound unbelievable beauituful.... I am now in the process of DIY a few vintage turntable and also DIY a VPI HR-X tt... I have 3 Lenco L75 (but thinking about selling 2 L75..), a Thorens TD-125MK2 with a Rabco SL-8e tonearm, a Pioneer PL-560

ps. I have also listened and thought about the Wilson Audio Sasha.. but my older brother bought the Sasha paired with the His FE211 TubeAmps... so i opted out the Sasha...
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If i am not mistaking the Classe' CA-M600s are being used at the Abbey Road Studio in the UK and they paired these amps with the B&W 802....
I am now working on my DIY plinths for my VPI HR-X tt and Pioneer PL-560 tt and Thorens TD-125MK2 with Rabco SL-8e tonearm, Hopefully i can get every ready in few weeks and post a few pic...
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That MC452 Amp is so powerful...i think it can power two pairs of the B&W 802 Diamnond...
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I was very close to getting Pass Labs 250.5 but I could not find a rack where it would fit. Its quite wide and deep--much more so than the massive mc452. for the 452 I had to get a new rack but i was able to find one that would fit it (had to wait 3months for the rack to arrive frown.gif ). I also looked at classe ca2300. it was just as good as the mcintosh to my ears although i could not compare them directly with the mcintosh since the dealers were different. in the end went with the mcintosh over the classe since i loved the blue meters and always wanted to own mac gear. sonically i would be happy with any of them.

looking at the watt meters, i never use more than about ~50wpc.
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Stopped by my local dealer yesterday to check out the status of my Linn TT which is being serviced and they let me go in the High end room to spin some records I just bought, They just finished setting up 802D's w/an all Parasound set up. JC-1 monos, JC-2 preamp and JC3 phono w/a VPI TT (forgot model maybe Classic) Great music. Tight tuneful bottom, detailed top w/a big soundstage, Nice way to spend a hot afternoon.smile.gif
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That MC452 Amp is so powerful...i think it can power two pairs of the B&W 802 Diamnond...

The 452 is a very popular amp but I always find it odd that the Bryston 14B-SST with it being an even more powerful amp with a much better warranty rarely gets mentioned. I wonder if it's because with it being the same wattage as the 7B's most people opt for the 7B's whereas in the McIntosh lineup the 454 has no equivalent as the 601 for example is more powerful and a pair is more of a larger price delta to the 452 then a pair of 7B's are to the 14B.

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This is all second hand, but while I believe the 28Bsst2 to be a phenomenal amp, I think the CA-M600 would be my choice over the 7B. I also wonder if the 452 is a bit of a sweet spot in the Mac lineup of SS and would be my choice for my current room and system. A 452 with either a 303 (looks) or the 6Bsst2 would make a very nice 5.x system.

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... Also I do not have a lot of room in my apartment and i think the 800 Diamond will be too big in size...
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