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post #1 of 18 Old 04-12-2013, 09:01 AM - Thread Starter
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So here is what I was suggest and the price is something I could do, but I'd like to come down some. The total for all speakers right now is $2,887.

Two sets of Monitor Audio - Bronze BX FX
One set Monitor Audio - Silver RX-1
One Monitor Audio - Silver RX center
VTF-2 MK4 Subwoofer

This isn't including the receiver.

I would like to keep my money spent on all items, including the receiver around $2,000 or very close. Any suggestions? I thought about even dropping the surround sound speakers and going cheap there. Any and all suggestions appreciated.

I don't listen to music. This is for movies only. Maybe a litlte call of duty too lol.
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It sounds like your are more than cutting your budget in half, at $2000 including receiver.

That is going to be a significant reduction in sound quality, but good stuff can be had.

My first recommendation would be a Harman-Kardon 2650 receiver, which runs around $600.

Its sound quality is the best for under $1000 IMO.

For speakers, I would get the Bronze BX-2 and BX-1 speakers, which will run around $800 for the four, and the MA Bronze BX Center for $300.

That leaves $300 for a subwoofer, and the Klipsch RW-12D is around $350 right now.

That's my thought for the best in town for $2000.

The Wharfedale Diamond 10.1 and 10.2 and 10CC would also be good and in the same price range.
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I recommend looking at the Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE Mini Towers. Add a CMT-340 SE center and then the HTM-200 SE for the rear: $1200 shipped.

The Klipsch RW-12d is a very good value when on sale for $299 or less at Newegg. Then again, right now there is an excellent sale on the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX. $629 shipped (sale ends April 16). It's a step up from the VTF-2 MK4 you were considering for about the same money. Here is an in depth review: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/lfm-1-ex-review

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I will keep this in mind.

Commsysman, do you think it would be better if I stretched my budget and got what I posted for speakers instead? If I am losing that much for $800 then I would rather come up with $800 more. I have no knowledge of these products and don't know much about audio/video at all. I leave that up to the fine people of avs! smile.gif

I am going on a vacation for a week so I may not reply until I get back. Just a heads up. Any more feedback would be great.

Cel, I think if that sub is better it's defiantly in the price range for what I want to spend on a sub.
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+1 to cel. good choices there.

for comm ... eh To be fair, I havn't heard the speakers he is recommending, so he may be spot on... but he seems to be like a broken watch... he's right twice a day. IMO.

Speakers are subjective, so what he, or I, or anyone else likes, may not sound good to you.

I would also look into the HSU Research bookshelf speakers. Budget friendly (relatively) , sponsors of this forum, and very good performers. again, IMO YMMV.

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For the money, I second cel4145's recommendation. That $1,208 includes the fillable stands for the CMT-340 front monitors.

At HSU Research, you could get the black VTF-3 mk4 for $768 shipped, if you have a decent sized room.

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Comm man's setup included the AVR in the $2000 as the OP suggested he wanted to do for that amount.

Without room size and listening preferences, aesthetics, size requirements etc... it's near impossible to recommend anything at this point.

But since it's going to be for movies only I don't think you could go wrong with the Klipsch Reference setup of some type. They're hard to listen to for extended periods with music (my opinion) but they are really nice for movies and gaming.

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I can't stand Klipsch horn speakers, even for movies. Musical speakers that have robust drivers sound better for just about everything than their compression horns.

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At HSU Research, you could get the black VTF-3 mk4 for $768 shipped, if you have a decent sized room.

Doubtful the VTF-3 MK4 is worth the money over the sale price of the Outlaw EX. They are comparable in class for subwoofers.

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Doubtful the VTF-3 MK4 is worth the money over the sale price of the Outlaw EX. They are comparable in class for subwoofers.

For resale value, the HSU may have the edge, slightly. For performance wise...the VTF3 mk4, may also have an edge, slightly. For outlay of $ now, the Outlaw has the edge. but the OP better jump on that , as that sale ends the 16th.

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Doubtful the VTF-3 MK4 is worth the money over the sale price of the Outlaw EX. They are comparable in class for subwoofers.

The VTF-3 mk4 has less port noise when pushed since they are bigger. Depends on volume output required.

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Doubtful the VTF-3 MK4 is worth the money over the sale price of the Outlaw EX. They are comparable in class for subwoofers.

wink.gif Is that based on measurements? Because I've seen arguments against comparing the Outlaw even being comparable to the HSU VTF-MK 4. Some here have even ... cough, cough, questioned the validity of comparing the Outlaw to the VTF3 mk3, let alone the mk4... cough, cough... sorry, bad allergies. rolleyes.gif

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The VTF-3 mk4 has less port noise when pushed since they are bigger. Depends on volume output required.

I've heard that claim, but have yet to see data to support it. Audioholics commented on a noise problem with the VTF-3 MK3.

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I've heard that claim, but have yet to see data to support it. Audioholics commented on a noise problem with the VTF-3 MK3.

from that review:
page 1.

"As with any sub, positioning the VTF-3 Mk3 is an important step in maximizing the system’s performance in your listening space"
page2

" fit and finish were very good. I found no flaws worthy of mention anywhere"
and
"Underestimate the VTF-3 Mk3 at your own risk – this is one potent sub"

and
"I found no flaws worthy of mention anywhere"

page 3
"the VTF-3 Mk3’s tendency is to gracefully reach as far down into the infrasonics it can and come back in one piece.... and
in the VTF-3 Mk3 you find a truly top-flight product and an excellent investment for the discerning movie and music lover"

where in that review is the 'noise problem" you mentioned? I just don't see that.

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where in that review is the 'noise problem" you mentioned? I just don't see that.

Right up front featured in the cons on the front page where everyone should notice it in first reading the review.

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I'm on a plane right now on taxi lane and just bought the Outlaw EX. And my wife says I'm a impulse buyer! wink.gif
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With that out of the way. Is there suggestion on cheaper surround sound speakers? Could I save there? I was told surround is the least important in the setup. Id like some flush mounts for the ceiling.
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With that out of the way. Is there suggestion on cheaper surround sound speakers? Could I save there? I was told surround is the least important in the setup. Id like some flush mounts for the ceiling.

Actually, if you spend your money wisely given that there is a new, more advanced audio format on its way, the surround speakers are quite important. In actuality, on some soundtracks even today the surround speakers are also very important, and must be timbre matched and have a wide frequency response. It just depends on the movie or music disc and how it's mixed.

This idea that skimping on these particular speakers is a-okay, is a fallacy. It might have been fine in the era before digital audio and discrete multi-channel formats (like in the Dolby Stereo days where it was really just stereo with some ambient matrixing).

If you don't have the money right now to get the correct equipment to do the job well... by all means save up, and get a bit at a time. You'll be happier in the long run.

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