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1st set PIONEER VSX-921 AV RECEIVER + PolK AUDIO TSI-400 KULE TIPI HOPARLOR +POLK AUDIO TSI-100 RAF TIPI HOPARLOR +POLK AUDIO CS-10 MERKEZ HOPARLOR


2nd set PIOneER VSX-921 AV RECEIVER+ KLIPSCH RF 42 II (CIFT)+KLIPSCH RS-42 II HOPARLÖR(arkaya) + KLIPSCH RC 42 II MERKEZ HOPARLOR

Can you please help me?
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The Klipsch will be better for HT.

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Polk RTi line is really good for home theater
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The Klipsch will do better because of its sensitivity and compression driver mated to the horn. It can get much louder with less power and handle the peak dynamics of a movie much better than a soft dome tweeter. With a claimed sensitivity of 96 db's will make much better use of your receiver's power. Although the Polk is no slouch at 91 dB's. Listen to both, see which you like better. Thats all that really matters anyway.

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The Klipsch... With a claimed sensitivity of 96 db's...

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That's because it's not a 96dB sensitive speaker. They are posting a phony SPL spec that's based on the sensitivity of the horn loaded tweeter. Accurate SPL specs are based on the woofer sensitivity. With consumer grade woofers that will run between 85 and 90dB, with 87dB being the average. With dual woofers sensitivity can be between 88 and 93dB. Claims for more than that are BS, pure and simple. That includes Klipsch, who pull the same charade as BIC.

To get true high sensitivity the woofer must be horn loaded and/or it must be a high sensitivity pro-sound woofer. Klipsch Heritage products do have high sensitivity for that reason. If the woofer is a pro-sound woofer but not horn loaded its high sensitivity is realized at the cost of low end extension. So if you see a direct radiator woofer cab rated for 98dB with 40Hz extension it's probably a BS spec. If it's rated for 98dB with 70Hz extension then it's probably accurate.
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Ok, that's fair. But do you believe the Polk 'speaker's claim on it's sensitivity? My guess would be that the two manufacturers list their claimed specs in a similar manner which still puts the Klipsch ahead for output. Once again, as I suggested earlier, the OP should go listen for himself and buy the one he likes better.

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Ok, that's fair. But do you believe the Polk 'speaker's claim on it's sensitivity?
At least it's not patently false.

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Is Klipsch well known for doing this?

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Don't get caught up in the crap surrounding sensitivity and how it is measured. I have personally owned a set of Polk Monitor Series II and recently moved to the Klipsch Reference line and I will say definitively that the Klipsch speakers are much more detailed and fuller sounding with movies than the Polks. I have also noticed how much louder they get without distortion with movie cues such as explosions, gunfire, crashes, etc. One scene where I noticed this the most was the train wreck scene in Super 8. The polks had a bit of distortion in the sound where the Klipsch speakers brought it home with full force, loud and clear. I just don't want you to pass up on a nicer set of speakers because someone doesn't like how Klipsch markets their sensitivity.

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Hello Friends

1st set PIONEER VSX-921 AV RECEIVER + PolK AUDIO TSI-400 KULE TIPI HOPARLOR +POLK AUDIO TSI-100 RAF TIPI HOPARLOR +POLK AUDIO CS-10 MERKEZ HOPARLOR


2nd set PIOneER VSX-921 AV RECEIVER+ KLIPSCH RF 42 II (CIFT)+KLIPSCH RS-42 II HOPARLÖR(arkaya) + KLIPSCH RC 42 II MERKEZ HOPARLOR

Can you please help me?

You don't mention a subwoofer? Details about the room?

Really different systems:

TSi400 Tower speaker with three 5-1/4 inch drivers.
CS10 Center channel speaker with dual 5 1/4-inch drivers.
TSi100 2-way bookshelf speaker with 5 1/4-inch driver.

RF-42 II Dual 4.5" (11.4cm) Cerametallic cone woofers
RC-42 II Dual 4" (10.2cm) Cerametallic cone woofers
RS-42 II Dual 4" (10.2cm) Cerametallic cone woofers (Dual 1" titanium horn-loaded tweeters)
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Hello Friends

1st set PIONEER VSX-921 AV RECEIVER + PolK AUDIO TSI-400 KULE TIPI HOPARLOR +POLK AUDIO TSI-100 RAF TIPI HOPARLOR +POLK AUDIO CS-10 MERKEZ HOPARLOR


2nd set PIOneER VSX-921 AV RECEIVER+ KLIPSCH RF 42 II (CIFT)+KLIPSCH RS-42 II HOPARLÖR(arkaya) + KLIPSCH RC 42 II MERKEZ HOPARLOR

Can you please help me?

Someone else mentioned the size of your room.

Knowing that would be helpful, along with why you have just these two choices and what your real budget is?

Thanks.
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Sorry, room is 9,2 feet wide and 15 feet length. height to ceiling from floor is appx 9 feet

My budget is 2500 dolar, but i live in turkey so i dont have many choices and ht market is expensive here

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Is Klipsch well known for doing this?
They're one of the worst offenders. And considering the unquestioned integrity of the man who's name the company carries on, it's a shame. If Paul Klipsch were alive today you wouldn't see them posting the specs that they do. PK championed the use of honest measurements. The current management doesn't post any charts to back up their claims. Of course, they can't, because their claims are, to quote Paul's favorite phrase, "BS". rolleyes.gif

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Sorry, room is 9,2 feet wide and 15 feet length. height to ceiling from floor is appx 9 feet

My budget is 2500 dolar, but i live in turkey so i dont have many choices and ht market is expensive here

ps: sorry for my english

Do you have a subwoofer?
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Do you have a subwoofer?

No but i would like to have, i dont have experiences about speakers etc
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No but i would like to have, i dont have experiences about speakers etc

You should buy bookshelf speakers for front left-right + a subwoofer instead of buying tower speakers.

The Klipsch system you listed needs a subwoofer, the small drivers offer limited performance.

You can check what bookshelf speakers and subwoofers are available in your price range and make us a list.


Not sure you understand what i mean so i will give you an example with speakers from your list:

4 POLK AUDIO TSI-100
1 POLK AUDIO CS-10
1 POLK AUDIO DSWPRO660wi

Make a list of bookshelf speakers and subwoofers that are available in your price range.
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