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Thanks for the clarification on the woofer amp and direction to the measurements. The Rokits would certainly play more than loud enough for me if they can peak at 110dB when measured at that distance (maybe 28ft?). My listening position is at 3.7m/12ft.

When the Rokits are crossed to subs, I presume that the woofer amp would no longer be the limiting factor on most program material, and they could be pushed further?

Yes, I cross them at 50hz but when audyssey is run it sets it at 40 hz......
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I think I read that the 10-3's do not come with grills. What is the usual DIY solution for grills to satisfy the WAF?
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I think I read that the 10-3's do not come with grills. What is the usual DIY solution for grills to satisfy the WAF?

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Something up at that gtg must have piqued Dave's (reefdvr27) interest because he sold me his monitor audio rx8s from the gtg w/ matching rx center. Don't have a place for the center yet but loving the rx8s. In direct mode (Sony 4400es) they project a deeper and maybe a little wider soundstage than with stereo and room correction. But the room correction takes out the slight boominess associated with the direct. Been listening around 85-90dB and the bass is tight, the mids sound full and accurate and the highs extend nicely, never too bright or harsh. When I cross to my hsu vtf3mk3 at 50hz, the soundstage opens up more and sub balances out well while filling the lowest notes. Great combo, but the rx8s do just fine on their own. Been fun to play around with. Me and my wife both really like the rosenut finish too, these look brand new. I'd been looking at full range speakers like the paradigm studio 100, dynaudio x36, b&w cm9, kef r700, monitor audio rx8, and focal v836. Most of these were almost 3x more $ than the deal I got so how could I resist, especially when it included the center. This thread really help me decide to buy them since I was only able to hear the rx6 but it was missing the better low end of the rx8. Loving these speakers. They're replacing hsu HB-1s which are moving to surround duty. Man I need to get to one of these things. If anyone wants to do a gtg in atlanta I'm in!

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Sold the Legacy's. I am going to miss them I'm afraid.

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Thanks for the offer Mike. Unfortunately the wife and my parents have me tasked with house/garage fixes and updates all weekend. Hoping for a few spare minutes to get my new diy subs for the living room ready for paint though. biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the offer Mike. Unfortunately the wife and my parents have me tasked with house/garage fixes and updates all weekend. Hoping for a few spare minutes to get my new diy subs for the living room ready for paint though. biggrin.gif

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Thanks for the clarification on the woofer amp and direction to the measurements. The Rokits would certainly play more than loud enough for me if they can peak at 110dB when measured at that distance (maybe 28ft?). My listening position is at 3.7m/12ft.

When the Rokits are crossed to subs, I presume that the woofer amp would no longer be the limiting factor on most program material, and they could be pushed further?

I have not looked, but I can guarantee you a single Rocket can't do 110db from 28 feet. Impossible. That 113db is probably for a pair of them at 1 meter. Now the only real question is where they were measured to get that spec.

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I have not looked, but I can guarantee you a single Rocket can't do 110db from 28 feet. Impossible. That 113db is probably for a pair of them at 1 meter. Now the only real question is where they were measured to get that spec.

Measured at 18 ft away at the event a pair hit 110dB. While playing the music content. They could go louder as long as your not playing heavy bass (<40hz) and clipping the woofer amp.

So your probably correct that at 28 ft it probably can't do 113dB. But I am fairly sure it is just 1 at 1 meter that the specs talk about....

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aren't those SPL figures sort of arbitrary? They don't represent max volumes of the speakers - just max the audition/owner took them to right? I'm quite sure those numbers don't represent what neither the Noesis or single eight were capable of for instance.

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Correct, but it shows they are at least capable of those number.....
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For what it's worth I don't place much value in the omnimic 'peak' feature. I've seen 125-130 db there with the yorks powered by my pro amp which I know just isn't realistic or feasible being driven with only 650 watts from 18 feet back.
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Correct, think about what you guys are saying, 130 dBs from a speaker from 10 feet back will show some compression and your ears would be ringing all day, maybe two. 120 dBs would cause your ears to ring for the day. My spl meter was always much lower than what omnimic would say and that is a spl meter.

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What are your plans for subs G?

Austin, I responded back at post #473.

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Austin, I responded back at post #473.

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I wonder how the KRK speaker would sound against a QSC K10?
How does the SHO-10 stack up to it? Also remember that if one is using an AVR to power whatever then the S8 loses any output advantage to the KRK's. So if you want to use the louder spls as an advantage you need to add in amplifiers to the cost.

MK, did anyone resond to this? Having previously heard the SHO-10's on more than one occasion, I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that the SHO's would take the cake if crossed between 80-100Hz. Maybe not from a "detail" standpoint, but I can explicitly recall being beyond inpressed with the performance (at any volume) of the SHO's. I don't have the sensitivity specs in front of me, but I know the SHO's can GET DOWN on AVR power and they kill it if fed a few hundred watts from a dedicated amp. The KRK's will obviously outshine the SHO's in full range duty, but for my specific taste (having a capable sub setup) I would prefer the SHO's.

I'm sure there are a few others here with more intimate experiences with the SHO's that can provide more detail, but bottomli
  • KRK = For detail and good full range output in a moderately sized space. No trouble dealing with external amps, but you will have to address the noise issue Ben referenced
  • SHO-10's = For very impressive all around performance above 80Hz. They run great off of AVR power, but external amplification will take them to another level.

Just my .02.

Would have been nice to give them a go after we auditioned the KRK's, but I didn't think of it at the time. Pretty much had my frequency fill for the day at that point. (<----j/k...NEVER!)

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Austin, I responded back at post #473.

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My apologies for the late reply. I'll jump on that now.

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Glad you asked. Let me know what you think of this...

1st bit: Current setup is in our living room: 3.6m wide x 4.8m long; large openings on two sides. In concert with an LCR upgrade, the plan is to assemble a Rythmik Audio DS1510 sealed kit (F15HP spec) with CNC cut cabinet of my design. Current small (10" & 8") PSB subs will be trialed corner loaded at right front and near-field ("end table") respectively. The Rythmik will go front left (quarter space).

2nd bit: I'm also in the feasibility phase of a partial build-out of our 2.5 car garage to create Blokesworld. Size of this space is currently subject to negotiation with Mrs G, but is likely to be around 4m x 5m with 9ft ceilings, giving a sealed 55m^3. The sub strategy here is to build a further three identical Rythmiks and bring in the fourth from the living room. LCR's from the living room will be re-tasked as surrounds and the living room will return to more decorous pursuits with the PSB's only.

Good plan? Bad plan? Any suggestions for improvement gratefully accepted! smile.gif

Blokesworld = Awesomeness

Honestly man, I think you have a great plan. Just keep in mind that if Blokesworld, is your long term goal, be sure you pick up four (4) of whatever you end up using for your LCR's. That way you can easily transition into a 7.1 setup without having to locate or purchase another single speaker (additional shipping costs, model out of production, etc...).

Also, one other note... You mention that you are going to have your cabinet's CNC'd to your design. I just want you to keep an open mind that if you have access to a CNC machine, the possibilities are pretty much endless. With a little research I guarantee you could build some outstanding speakers and subs that would more than satisfy your audiophilophilia!

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I obviously have preferences, but your demographic location really throws me for a loop. I definitely don't want to make any suggestions that would cost more in shipping than the product itself.
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Can someone from the shootout give me a feel for how the JTR S8 and Seaton Cat compared in the upper midrange and treble?
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Correct, think about what you guys are saying, 130 dBs from a speaker from 10 feet back will show some compression and your ears would be ringing all day, maybe two. 120 dBs would cause your ears to ring for the day. My spl meter was always much lower than what omnimic would say and that is a spl meter.

my omnimic peak said 137dB at KC subwoofer blind meet in the back of the room (20 foot) from two orbit shifters and my ears felt hollow for at least a month. tongue.gifeek.gif It sure as heck wasn't my highs getting that loud -- I had wharfedale sapphires as mains - low efficiency and 200watt power handling - run on an AVR.


I think there has been some discussion and the 'max' recording from the omnimic is aligned with traditional radio shack SPL meters (my experience has been this as well) --- while the 'peak' is potentially a more instantaneous reading? There is discussion on sound bursts being much higher and for much shorter periods of time than traditional spl meters can pick up - but they are so short it's exceptionally difficult to measure.

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Absolutely no need to apologise for anything Austin. smile.gif Thanks for taking the time to reply.

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I hope so, I'm very excited. Many years of pent-up demand. biggrin.gif

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Honestly man, I think you have a great plan. Just keep in mind that if Blokesworld, is your long term goal, be sure you pick up four (4) of whatever you end up using for your LCR's. That way you can easily transition into a 7.1 setup without having to locate or purchase another single speaker (additional shipping costs, model out of production, etc...).
Thanks for the great vote of confidence and the "4 off" tip. Another plus for Single 8 here actually. I can just get 3 if funds are tight, because I believe Jeff routinely reverts to previous designs to do one offs. You're right though, the shipping on one speaker would be disproportionate.

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Also, one other note... You mention that you are going to have your cabinet's CNC'd to your design. I just want you to keep an open mind that if you have access to a CNC machine, the possibilities are pretty much endless. With a little research I guarantee you could build some outstanding speakers and subs that would more than satisfy your audiophilophilia!

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I have a chippie friend in town who manages a kitchen manufacturing business. He'll do it for "mates rates" + beers I reckon. Like all smart tradies, he'll charge more if I try to help...
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I obviously have preferences, but your demographic location really throws me for a loop. I definitely don't want to make any suggestions that would cost more in shipping than the product itself.
No worries, I understand that. I haven't searched far, but if you're curious, here's a sample of the sort of stuff available locally: http://www.theloudspeakerkit.com/sub-drivers/


OK, thanks to one and all for your advice over the last several days. It's been a tremendous help. I should really exit and let the thread return to the real shootout stuff. Thanks for having me Gorilla83, and apologies if my diversion dragged on longer than forum etiquette usually permits.

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Sold my Legacy's. Don't get me wrong, they, imho were the best full range speakers at the gtg, and not cause I was the owner. I know cause I owned and listened to them for 2 years. Nothing there touched them with respect to accuracy and power together. Unfortunately they never drove them hard to show what they could do. I sold them because I loved the larger soundstage of the HT specific speakers. Ended up buying those exact Cat 12's and stands that Mark brought. Added an 8C for center. Should have them by wed
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Sold my Legacy's. Don't get me wrong, they, imho were the best full range speakers at the gtg, and not cause I was the owner. I know cause I owned and listened to them for 2 years. Nothing there touched them with respect to accuracy and power together. Unfortunately they never drove them hard to show what they could do. I sold them because I loved the larger soundstage of the HT specific speakers. Ended up buying those exact Cat 12's and stands that Mark brought. Added an 8C for center. Should have them by wed
Let's revisit this comment after you get your Cat's in place...

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Sold my Legacy's. Don't get me wrong, they, imho were the best full range speakers at the gtg, and not cause I was the owner. I know cause I owned and listened to them for 2 years. Nothing there touched them with respect to accuracy and power together. Unfortunately they never drove them hard to show what they could do. I sold them because I loved the larger soundstage of the HT specific speakers. Ended up buying those exact Cat 12's and stands that Mark brought. Added an 8C for center. Should have them by wed

Congrats! What is your plan for a sub(s) to match your new Cats?
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Congrats! What is your plan for a sub(s) to match your new Cats?

I do have an SVS PB13 Ultra and I'll be getting the newer 1000W amp upgrade. Since the 12C's put out low, I think between them and the PB getting low I should be fine for a week.

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