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Well, it's not the same budget for Triad or Episode...

And I have found B&W speakers in my city but for speakers not as good as Deftech, the price is higher :
  • The CCM7.5 is 1000 dollars each..
  • The CCM7.4 is 1500 dollars each.
  • The CCM7.3 is 2000 dollars each.

And there is less depth with Deftech which I prefer for my fake ceiling.

So, all in all, I'd rather go with Deftech...
Hello Fgueho, we now have a French distributor, Conceptas AVM France, who are actually based in Liechtenstein but have a local presence. The web site is www.avm-audio.fr. Their telephone number is +43 699 170 866 36, and you can speak with Werner Madlener. We appreciate the opportunity you have given us. If you need to contact me here, it's jfinn@definitivetech.com. Thanks again - best regards, Joe
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Hey Joe while you're on the forum talking about the UIW RSS IIs, I have a question for you. I'm really interested in your UIW RSS IIs for my surrounds. Currently I have a smaller Klipsch in ceiling speaker. Now I'm having a new house with the same problem no back wall. How reliable are these connectors that just pinch into the dry wall of the ceiling especially for how big these speakers look I would think the vibrations would wear through it. I see you have rough ins, but I can't find anything on the installation of them. Can they be put in while installing the speakers, I'm not sure the builder will let me put them in before hand.
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Hey Joe while you're on the forum talking about the UIW RSS IIs, I have a question for you. I'm really interested in your UIW RSS IIs for my surrounds. Currently I have a smaller Klipsch in ceiling speaker. Now I'm having a new house with the same problem no back wall. How reliable are these connectors that just pinch into the dry wall of the ceiling especially for how big these speakers look I would think the vibrations would wear through it. I see you have rough ins, but I can't find anything on the installation of them. Can they be put in while installing the speakers, I'm not sure the builder will let me put them in before hand.
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Hello Gene, no worries about getting there beforehand. If you have 16" on-center studs, you won't need to use the rough-in bracket. That is really a pre-construction bracket. The RSS II will screw directly into the wooden ceiling joists. I am including a link to the manual from our web site here so you can take a look a the installation instructions, which start on page 4. If you should need to go further after you read the manual, just contact our customer service guys, Chet, TJ and Adam. They can be reached at 800-228-7148, or e mail info@definitivetech.com. Good luck and thanks for choosing DT smile.gif
http://www.definitivetech.com/downloads/UIWRSSII_Manual_13009_read.pdf
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Thanks Joe that's exactly what I was looking for!!!
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The thing to remember is that ANY in-wall or in-ceiling speaker does not have an optimally designed enclosure to get the best performance out of the drivers.

They are very much an inferior product, and their performance is strictly 3rd-rate. You don't get much for your money.

No one who expects good-quality sound should even consider them. Conventional speakers on stands will sound much better.

If you have absolutely NO other option, they might be acceptable for use as surround speakers, but not for front or center speakers.

Having the sound coming from the ceiling is intuitively incorrect and unnatural, in any case.

Dipole speakers are very tricky to place, and do not work well in many rooms. It is hard to prevent unwanted reflections in most cases.

Two Polk RTi-A1 speakers with a CSI-A4 center speaker is a front combination that sounds very nice and will cost around $600.

You can't even come close to their sound quality with in-ceiling speakers (unless you get some PSB speakers that cost around $2500).


I would like to comment on this post. Please keep in mind, I'm not trying to make any waves here but unless they are installed and configured right, one can't make an analogy on there performance. In my experience, I have to disagree with you in some instances. I've installed the RCS II's for my front left, right and center speakers and the RSS II's for my side and rear speakers and they have been performing perfectly. They have broken every myth on ceiling speakers out there. Unless you have heard them personally in all surround sound configurations, your comment can't truly justify the sound they produce. From 2.0 - 7.1 the sound is so accurate with lots of details they will blow your mind. They sound as if one has tower speakers in the front of the room. Their not your ordinary ceiling speaker that's out there on the market. Ofcourse, nothing beats a conventional speaker setup, but for a more contemporary, sleek look and limited space, they do a really good job. No speaker or surround sound setup will ever produce the perfect sound, we don't live in a perfect world. But remember, every room is different and will produce a different sound with different products. I use to have a PSB 5.1 system and I'm a risk taker and decided to change my entire room configuration and are very impressed with the RCS II and RSS II.

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fgueho, did you ever get the def techs? I'd love to know how they sound. Is the sound stage at ear level?

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The thing to remember is that ANY in-wall or in-ceiling speaker does not have an optimally designed enclosure to get the best performance out of the drivers.

They are very much an inferior product, and their performance is strictly 3rd-rate. You don't get much for your money.

No one who expects good-quality sound should even consider them. Conventional speakers on stands will sound much better.

If you have absolutely NO other option, they might be acceptable for use as surround speakers, but not for front or center speakers.

Having the sound coming from the ceiling is intuitively incorrect and unnatural, in any case.

Dipole speakers are very tricky to place, and do not work well in many rooms. It is hard to prevent unwanted reflections in most cases.

Two Polk RTi-A1 speakers with a CSI-A4 center speaker is a front combination that sounds very nice and will cost around $600.

You can't even come close to their sound quality with in-ceiling speakers (unless you get some PSB speakers that cost around $2500).


I have to disagree with some of your information. I have the RCS II's and RSS II's installed in a 7.1 configuration and had Jeff Meyer do a custom calibration of them. They sound incredible. Of course nothing beats standing speakers but not everyone has the proper room configuration to use true standing speakers. For the type of speakers they are, there not bad. And musically, there incredible sounding. Unless you have witnessed them for yourself, you shouldn't judge them. Don't listen to other peoples past reviews, most of them don't know what there talking about.
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Sammck85 : not yet. smile.gif

I will order them in a few months. My new home is still under construction...
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Since my installation and calibration in June of 2013, there still fantastic sounding speakers. Even regular T.V. shows, even though there up in the ceilings, the fronts speakers voices and dialog sound like there right in the middle of the screen. There so realistic sounding. Though they are older speaker technology, they do have the illusion of standing speakers. You will be amazed. Check out this link. It persuaded me to purchase them. I also have the same subwoofer in this article. I'm glad I found this review. It changed my way of listening and there so concealed. Amazing technology.

http://www.avguide.com/review/definitive-technology-uiw-rcs-ii-ceiling-speaker


I would also recommend Triad Speakers too. There also a great options for directional in-ceiling speakers.


I wish you lived near me in Pittsburgh, PA so I could demonstrate them to you. The sound is mind-blowing. The custom room calibration made a difference by Jeff.

I wish you luck in your build. smile.gif

P.S. Please stay in touch with your progress and post your photos of your construction and finished room.
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To you guys who have the RCS/RSS II, have you ever run it as a 5.0 system? Would anyone be willing to demo that and report back? With my budget, I may have to hold off on a sub for awhile and probably will build an IB. The DefTech system will be for day to day tv watching and the occasional action movie/show like GoT. The specs show a deep low end. Will it be at least decent without a sub for the time being?

Also, does anyone have personal experience with the difference between the RCS/RSS II and the RCS/RSS III? I got a great deal on the RSS IIs for my rears and I'm keeping an eye out for bargains for my fronts. I definitely want an RCS II at least for the center, and preferably for all three, but would there be much drop in quality if I we t with a II for the center and IIIs for the L/R?
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To you guys who have the RCS/RSS II, have you ever run it as a 5.0 system? Would anyone be willing to demo that and report back? With my budget, I may have to hold off on a sub for awhile and probably will build an IB. The DefTech system will be for day to day tv watching and the occasional action movie/show like GoT. The specs show a deep low end. Will it be at least decent without a sub for the time being?

Also, does anyone have personal experience with the difference between the RCS/RSS II and the RCS/RSS III? I got a great deal on the RSS IIs for my rears and I'm keeping an eye out for bargains for my fronts. I definitely want an RCS II at least for the center, and preferably for all three, but would there be much drop in quality if I we t with a II for the center and IIIs for the L/R?



Yes, I have the Front and Center RCS II's and the Rears RSS II's. I started with a 7.1 system and now; according to my room size, went to a 5.1 system setup with my custom room calibration by Jeff Meyer. I did try the 5.1 setup as a 5.0 setup as when I installed my speakers; I didn't have the sub yet, (J.L. Audio Fathom F112). And it sounded really good. The system did a good job with the HD channels on my T.V. broadcasting in Dolby Digital. The lows were pretty good. Even playing some DVD's and Blue Rays, the sound was good enough. But if you want that explosive punch that will rip your head off, a subwoofer is a must. The 12" with it's 1500 watts pounds really good in war scenes and car crashes. And remember; no matter your room size, you can never buy too much of a powerful subwoofer. If I had the money, I would have went with a 5,000 watt sub. It's not volume but details and accuracy that makes a world of difference at low volume levels.

But yes, the RCS II's really do a good job in punching out good bass for their small speaker size.
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Yes, I have the Front and Center RCS II's and the Rears RSS II's. I started with a 7.1 system and now; according to my room size, went to a 5.1 system setup with my custom room calibration by Jeff Meyer. I did try the 5.1 setup as a 5.0 setup as when I installed my speakers; I didn't have the sub yet, (J.L. Audio Fathom F112). And it sounded really good. The system did a good job with the HD channels on my T.V. broadcasting in Dolby Digital. The lows were pretty good. Even playing some DVD's and Blue Rays, the sound was good enough. But if you want that explosive punch that will rip your head off, a subwoofer is a must. The 12" with it's 1500 watts pounds really good in war scenes and car crashes. And remember; no matter your room size, you can never buy too much of a powerful subwoofer. If I had the money, I would have went with a 5,000 watt sub. It's not volume but details and accuracy that makes a world of difference at low volume levels.

But yes, the RCS II's really do a good job in punching out good bass for their small speaker size.

Exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks!
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Well it's been One year now since I've been using my RCS II's and RSS II's for a 5.1 setup and all is still going good. Last night I watched Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl and at setting the volume level at 70db, the gun and canon battles were fantastic. Surround sound is still top notch for my room acoustics and setup. My JL Phantom 12" Sub did a good job pounding out the explosions with superb accuracy.smile.gif
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Okay, it's been over 2 years since this thread. I found it because I searched the archives to see if my questions have already been answered. This thread is exactly what I was looking for. I have ONE QUESTION: Has anything changed in the last two years? New technology? New/better product offerings?

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My system is still going strong at 5.1. Even though I've installed a 7.1 system, it was only professionally configured for 5.1. I'm searching for the Pro Audyssey Kit so I can compare my professionally 5.1 setup configurations with this kit and if there very similar, then I'll re-configure my system to the 7.1 setup.

Other than technology advancements with Definitive Technologies, none at the moment. After talking to them recently, they told me why ruin a good thing. Their ceiling and wall speakers are still selling real good and still top notch. Just remember, ceiling and wall speakers aren't for everyone. It depends on the rooms size and accoustic abilities. But I've seen other competitors like Trident and Bower & Wilkins who are also in the same business and have some advancements in their line. And remember, there will always be future advancements in these type of speaker setups. But it is an unorthodox speaker setup that will put your mind in amazement if you choose to install them. It's hard to explain. You have to experience it for your self.

But I'm very pleased with Definitive Technologies Speakers and there customer support is beyond top notch. I always seem to connect with Chet. A very nice guy who has all the answers and if he doesn't have the answers, he seeks them out for me.

I still highly recommend Definitive Technologies for their Ceiling Speakers. I'm not trying to plug them but I am a very satisfied customer.

I hope this helps you in some way Gary.

Take care and if you have any questions on the Definitive Technologies RCSII's or RSSII's, I'm always around to jump in and steer anyone needing advice from personal experience. But it's best to contact Chet at Def. Tech. he'll steer you in the right direction.
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Thanks much, Cigarjohn47!!! I'm like fgueho in that I really have no choices other than ceiling. I wonder how he's liking his. Also, what are you using to drive your speakers? I looking at an integrated A/V receiver, perhaps Denon or Athens.
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Well, it's not the same budget for Triad or Episode...

And I have found B&W speakers in my city but for speakers not as good as Deftech, the price is higher :
  • The CCM7.5 is 1000 dollars each..
  • The CCM7.4 is 1500 dollars each.
  • The CCM7.3 is 2000 dollars each.
And there is less depth with Deftech which I prefer for my fake ceiling.

So, all in all, I'd rather go with Deftech...
B&W is just as good if not better than Definitive. I wouldn't hesitate to go with them.

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Wink Replying to messages.

Well to answer you Marc, I'm using the Integra DHC-80.3 and the seperate DTA-70.1 amplifier. The Denons as well as the Athens are good systems, but I've heard that configuring the Athens is a little more; well don't want to say harder, but more demanding in 5.1 or higher setups compared to the Denons. But that's just hear-say and I can't judge the Athens as I've never viewed or listened to them in person. My cousin has been using Denon for over 10 years now and just upgraded to a newer Denon. She said it's very easy to configure her 7.1 setup and I've heard it on many occassions and it sounds great.

And getting back to fgueho, I've messaged him many times with no results. Would like to know how's his setup is working for him as well.

And to comment on your posting dbalkaran, B&W makes some great speakers. Expensive but very good. The ceiling speakers are good, but are bulky for installation purposes. But I've never heard them personally and there are no dealers around my city to witness them. But for the price and the performance I'm getting from Def. Tech. I think they are a better choice for us individuals who have space limitations and can't have speakers sitting on the floor in front, side and back of us.

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Thanks dbalkaran, I'll compare the B&Ws as well. Cigarjohn47, I like simple, so Denon and Itegra seem worthwhile to check out. And fgueho is probably still sitting on his couch enjoying is system. Great input, thanks to both of you.

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BTW, any recommendation for a sub to go with the Def Techs or B&Ws? I see HSU and SVS around the forum a lot.
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Wink Good sounding Subwoofers.

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I'm using the J.L. Audio Fathom f112 Subwoofer. It's insane in details and articulation. Def. Tech. makes good subs but there are others much better. But from all my research, I'd recommend J.L. Audio or Velodyne. You will see many different subs on this site being advertised. Like SVS and many others. I'm not putting them down, but I look for the track record of their subs and company. And JL Audio and Velodyne have the best track record going so far.

And a good true fact on subs: get the highest wattage sub you can afford. The reason: Don't let the extreme high wattage make you think you will go deaf or its too overpowering for your room. The truth of the matter is that when you lower your main systems volume, say if you have people in your house; late at night trying to sleep, and you want to watch a movie that has a lot of bass in it such as action movies or your listening to music, a higher wattage sub will create better clearity such as details and articulation at lower volumes than a lower wattage sub. You want to experience or feel the explosion at low volumes without waking up the house. But a low wattage sub at low volumes, 9 times out of 10, the bass won't kick on or be heard as it needs a lot of energy to produce the lower frequencies at lower volumes. And if it does kick in at lower volumes, it will be muffled and crackly in sound. I'd recommend not going less than 500 watts. But more is better and more won't make you deaf like a regular speaker system. The sub is in it's own world. Different from all the other speakers in your system.

And I also recommend a sealed enclosure sub instead of a ported sub. Sealed enclosures create the cleanest, detailed sound in movies and in music. There excellent for movies and the best for classical, jazz and swing music. Though rock music, metal, rap, sound good but a ported is designed for rap, heavy metal, techno type music which require a more muddy, dirty, sound. Not accurate enough for movies. Though the sealed enclosure sub will require heavy wattage to equal a ported sub that requires less wattage to accomplish the same sound effect. A sealed enclosure will cost you a pretty penny and the best for movies where as a ported sub is much cheaper. A ported sub will still be descent in bass reproduction, but will never compare to a sealed enclosures sound when it comes to movie playback. A sealed enclosure has a more tighter bass and a faster reaction time towards movies explosions, engines, jets flying over your head than a ported sub which reacts much slower and loses accuracy. But it's all up to you and your wallet and how important the sound is to your listening pleasure.

I'm a heavy movie buff and large collector of DVD and Blu-Ray movies. Have almost a thousand in my collection and still growing. So I seek the highest details, articulation and accuracy the movie produces to be fully emersed as much as possible. I do play music through my system at times like Pandora Services, but I built my mini-theatre system for one main reason, to watch movies and to try to create the best movie experience I can achieve with the space and equipment I have.

I hope this doesn't discourage you in your search for a quality sub for your system. Before dropping serious bucks on your sub, read reviews, ask around in forums as well as other forums and I wish you the best in your purchase.
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Discourage me? Hell no. In fact I'm more excited to check out your recommendations, Cigarjohn47. I really do appreciate the time you have put into helping me with this! I have read quite a bit since starting my search for speakers and I have to say that your advice fits what I have read.

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Wow, I think my budget is looking at the following:
Velodyne Optimum 10
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JL e110 (maybe 112)

Are these suitable? I used the room size shopper on the JL website and it says the 110/112 are good.
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Wink Velodyne are good subs but JL Audio subs truly rock!

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Velodyne Optimum 10
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JL e110 (maybe 112)

Are these suitable? I used the room size shopper on the JL website and it says the 110/112 are good.
I enjoy helping others and steering them in the right direction. I'm always learning from asking others as well and pass on that information to others as well. It's a never ending process.

There both great subs, but I'd recommend the JL 110 or 112 sub. Not saying that cause I own one, but at the time I was purchasing a sub, I needed a front throwing sub as my sub is contained in a cabinet enclosure and I also needed XLR connects. So after extensive research, I went with the JL Fathom F112. Which now; it's still available and supported by JL Audio, but just became discontinued as the new v2 Fathom just hit the market. Not much difference as the f112, but a little more expensive and instead of a 1500watts it's at 1800 watts. I'm sure you can find a f112 or f110 at the same price as the e110 or e112 now.

I've heard the Velodyne Optimus subs and they sound good, but their room correction wasn't as good as the JL subs and they seemed to lack the response time for music. But JL makes the best car audio speakers on the market and when they entered into the theatre surround business, they rocked the industry.

There both great subs and you will be very pleased with how accurate they are. I've read a lot of great reviews on the e110. And 1200 watts is great. As I mentioned earlier, higher wattage is better at lower volumes.

Is your sub going to be enclosed? And in front of you or behind you? Also, are you using RCA or XLR connector?

If you can squeeze the extra bucks, I'd recommend the Fathom f110 or f112, but you will be pleased with the e110 or e112.


Here's some great reviews on the JL e110:

http://www.cnet.com/news/subwoofer-r...subwoofer-yet/

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...FzKMxqRgqWK.97


This is my subs review: http://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/s...ofer-review36/

I hope this helps. Not trying to steer you away from the Velodyne Optimus 10, but JL Subs truly rock like you never heard before. JL subs will rip your clothes right off you since they pack so much punch for their small sizes. I went with the Satin finish as they don't attract too much visible dust and don't show finger prints like the High Gloss versions.
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Thanks again! I am planning on putting the sub under an end table but not enclosed. It will be forward left, a couple of feet from a corner (flexible here). My whole setup will be new, so I'm looking at XLR connections (better, right?).

I have looked at eBay and found an f113 for $1950 but no f110 or f112s. Leaning very strongly in the direction of JL. Any good places other than eBay to find reliable used? And can I trust used? Or should I go with e112 new? I also see that Def Tech subs are much cheaper but there sound is not near as good as JL if I understand you correctly.

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Thanks again! I am planning on putting the sub under an end table but not enclosed. It will be forward left, a couple of feet from a corner (flexible here). My whole setup will be new, so I'm looking at XLR connections (better, right?).

I have looked at eBay and found an f113 for $1950 but no f110 or f112s. Leaning very strongly in the direction of JL. Any good places other than eBay to find reliable used? And can I trust used? Or should I go with e112 new? I also see that Def Tech subs are much cheaper but there sound is not near as good as JL if I understand you correctly.

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The f113 is totally awesome. I was thinking on getting a f113 for my system and buy one more f112 and use two of them for my stereo system and the f113 for my movie system.


Well, I didn't say that Def. Tech. had bad subs. There good to, but doing research and reading reviews, JL seem to get better raves on their subs than anyone else. And the reason I didn't go with Def. Tech. is that their subs had baffles on the sides of their subs that would interfere with my enclosed cabinet setup. With baffles on the sides of your subs, you need at least 12" spacing from each baffle and I didn't have that space. But I'm very, very, very pleased with my choice. And highly recommend the f112 Fathom by JL Audio. The f110 is also great for movies, but for music, that 12" compared to the 10" will make a huge difference. So I went with the 12" version. But Def. Tech. also makes great stuff too. I'm not trying to steer you away from other sub manufacturers. But I'm sure you have a budget and you can easily go over it with JL's subs. There not cheap, but very reliable and will rock your world like you never knew existed. There in a class all their own.

I hope you have asked around for others advice and I hope you also did some of your own research before deciding on JL products. This is a big step and I want you to have no regrets about your purchasing decision.

I'm sure there are a lot of good, quality, used gear out there, including speakers. But that's a personal thing. As I mentioned earlier, subs are in a world of their own. If I couldn't afford a new sub or the sub I wanted, I'd wait a little longer until I can save up enough to buy a new sub and the sub that I wanted.

When I designed and built my system, I didn't want any regrets so I went with all new stuff. I wanted peace of mind. New compared to used, you have warranty on new stuff, used stuff, you don't know if the user abused their sub by cranking it up beyond the subs capabilities. May have burned something out or weaken something electronically that may cause you issues later on down the road. When it comes to speakers, I'm weary about used stuff. But that's just me. But I do buy vintage used amps, pre-amps. That's a totally different world again.

Hmmm...if it was me, this is tough. I don't know how to answer this. Hmmm...what is the most you are willing to spend on a sub. We all have limits, even me. The F and G series of JL subs are pretty expensive but worth every penny. I didn't want to go over $3,000.00 for my sub budget. Though I did trade in my old speaker PSB system for a down payment on a new Fathom f112 and still had to pay an additional $1,500.00 for it. It was well worth it. Hmmm...it now boils down to your budget.


What is your sub budget and are you willing to either wait a little longer to save up to spend a little more, past you budget or you need it now. This needs answered first before we can pursue this any further.
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But doing more research, that JL Audio E Sub e110 is a great sub and should do what your looking for great. And between this newer sub an my older f112, there's not much change and it will rock your world. I highly recommend a new sub compared to a used sub. But if your budget allows, I'd opt for the e112 or even the newer version of my f112 which is the f112v2. But it will be expensive. Over $3,000.00. There is one person selling my exact sub for $2,700.00 or best offer. It retails for $3,500.00. I'd offer him at least $2,000.00 but no more than $2,500.00 for it. But I need to know what you are willing to spend. If the f112 or f112v2 is way out of your price range, I'd at least recommend the E Sub e112 over the e110. It will be worth it in the long run for that 12" sub. But it has no XLR connects on the back of it. Only RCA connectors. Which are still good. But the higher end systems use both. But I prefer XLR. And when considering cables, I'd highly recommend Blue Jean Cables. There the best and most affordable cables you can get. And they will custom build any size for you. My friend works in a sound recording studio and we compared my $15.00 XLR cables against his studio's TARA XLR Dragon Cables which are $8,000.00 a meter in length. There was no comparison in sound quality and reproduction. Just a huge hype.

But that's another topic that will get people pissed off in these forums. Sometimes more expensive isn't always better. I don't want to get into this discussion about cables. But the proof is in the pudding.

Anyway, if you can fork our a little more money and can do without XLR connects, then the E Sub e112 I highly recommend for your budget. But if you can push your limits a little beyond your budget, then I recommend the Fathom v2.

Good luck with your choices and please read the reviews and ask others about their opinions before making the final decision.
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I do like new! I'm leaning toward the e112 since it's 1900 versus 3700 for f112v2. I'll have to look at XLR connections again in my book (by Harley). And I am asking everyone for advice and reading reviews. You and debalkaran are the only ones who have responded here - thanks!!! I think the majority don't want to think about in ceiling speakers, but it's my only option and I think I'll be happy with the def techs.

I will also find a very good dealer in Charlotte, NC to help out and I hope to get a package deal since I'm buying a whole system.

You have helped me a lot!

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I do like new! I'm leaning toward the e112 since it's 1900 versus 3700 for f112v2. I'll have to look at XLR connections again in my book (by Harley). And I am asking everyone for advice and reading reviews. You and debalkaran are the only ones who have responded here - thanks!!! I think the majority don't want to think about in ceiling speakers, but it's my only option and I think I'll be happy with the def techs.

I will also find a very good dealer in Charlotte, NC to help out and I hope to get a package deal since I'm buying a whole system.

You have helped me a lot!

Gary
I'm glad to have helped you. Call on me anytime, I'm always around. I wish you the best with your new sub. Just a warning, once the audio bug bites you, your stuck forever. There's no way out. Enjoy!
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