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Imaginos's Avatar Imaginos
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Let me start off by saying, that I am NOT an audiophile. Nonetheless, I've been looking on upgrading my home entertainment centre and, as far as the audio is concerned, I've decided that I'd rather go for a pair of exceptional floor-standing speakers (plus a subwoofer, and maybe a centre channel as well) instead of the usual HTIB arrangement. I'm working with a pretty tight budget, however, so ideally I'd only like to spend about $400 dollars for the whole shebang, max being $500 to $800. Anyway, if somebody out there can provide me with some more economical choices it would be much appreciated. Also, these speakers will be placed in a living room measuring 9'x12'. Thanks in advance everyone.

Current setup: http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/t...ems/HT-D550/ZC

New receiver: http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1612-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B004U403WM

HTIB that I've had my eye on: http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Take-Cl.../dp/B0021L9BME

Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I've seen these speakers referenced before: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/BOSA360WHA/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-A360-3-Way-Dual-6.5in-Tower-Speaker-Each-White/1.html
Imaginos's Avatar Imaginos
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Wow that Jamo package looks absolutely perfect! Thanks so much for the link!

Though, is there much difference between the Denon 1612 vs 1712, because I think I'd rather go for the former mainly due to the fact that it's a lot cheaper. :P
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Thanks for the replies and assistance guys, it's much appreciated. Is there anywhere else where I might be able to pick up that Jamo home theatre system (assuming that's what I end up going with). Amazon isn't exactly a viable option for me.
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These fronts don't look too bad, thoughts?

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-LR-Designed-standing-Loudspeaker/dp/B008NCD2S4

By the way, would it make more sense if I get a nice set of bookshelf speakers as my fronts for now and then later on, when I fill out the rest of my HT, I can just relegate them to the rear? If so, then I guess that would be the better option value-wise, wouldn't it?
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I mean you did say exceptional speakers, and since you weren't dying to get everything all at once I'm going to make a slightly diff suggestion from other guys here.

This is a highly regarded set of towers: ($650 pair)
Swan Diva 4.2

I would pair it with an AVR receiver I find on closeout.
Something $300-400 made by Harman, Denon, Pioneer, Yamaha

Just giving you something to think about, there are a lot of awesome towers out there in your price range.
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These fronts don't look too bad, thoughts?

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-LR-Designed-standing-Loudspeaker/dp/B008NCD2S4

By the way, would it make more sense if I get a nice set of bookshelf speakers as my fronts for now and then later on, when I fill out the rest of my HT, I can just relegate them to the rear? If so, then I guess that would be the better option value-wise, wouldn't it?

The pioneer budget speakers are outstanding value for the price, I think they are the best audio deal around right now.

I would just get all 5.0 pioneer speakers in one shot, but that is just me and everybody has different wants, needs, and budgets. Some people are happy with no center, some people like huge bass, do what you think will be best.
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imaginos, you can always check these two sites for an avr and possibly speakers too. www.frys.com--they are having a clearence sale on some Pioneer, Denon and Yamaha avr's, as well as here www.accessories4less.com. Ac4l have refurbished units that come with a warranty, and if you would like to get an extended one for peace of mind they offer those as well. There are many who use A4l and seem to have a very good experience with them. Another thing to note is that Fry's also usually has sales on speakers too. For under $500 you can get a pair of Polk Audio RTi 4's, a pair of RTi 6's and a CSi 3 center channel. As a side note, the 4's and 6's are both bookshelf speakers. If you want a pair of towers for fronts they have a pair of RTi 8's for $159/ea.
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When/If they come back in stock, the JBL190 towers at newegg are the best $130 speaker you will ever buy. They are practically unknown, but they are even better than my other favorite, the Pioneer FS-52. They replaced much more expensive speakers in my HT. I'm building speakers with a raw materials cost of $500 each, to try to get an even better sound than what I have now.

You have to spend $500+ per speaker with Polk or any other major brand speaker aside from the Pioneers to get the same imaging and precise SQ as these 190s.
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I wasn't impressed when I heard the Jbl 190 at fry's, just my opinion. But of course the true test is listening at home. I think I would take the infinity primus over the jbl 190 though.
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In regards to the 1712 vs 1612, the difference can be quite significant. The 1712 and 1713, which are the same price at A4L, have MultEQ XT room correction which is a much better room correction than the MultEQ the 1612 has. The volume difference in a few watts wont make much of a difference in volume, however the better room correction can help a lot integrate speakers into your room.

The JBL have impressive low end response. I've heard them a few times and their bass and mid-bass is pretty good for the price
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Also..

1712 = 7.1 without Airplay
1713 = 5.1 with Airplay
Imaginos's Avatar Imaginos
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Also..

1712 = 7.1 without Airplay
1713 = 5.1 with Airplay
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In regards to the 1712 vs 1612, the difference can be quite significant. The 1712 and 1713, which are the same price at A4L, have MultEQ XT room correction which is a much better room correction than the MultEQ the 1612 has. The volume difference in a few watts wont make much of a difference in volume, however the better room correction can help a lot integrate speakers into your room.

The JBL have impressive low end response. I've heard them a few times and their bass and mid-bass is pretty good for the price

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up guys. Looks like I'll be going with the 1713 then. Might as well since, as "Petden" pointed out, it's the same price as the 1712 at A4L (which is where I'll be getting it from). Don't think I'll find much use out of that Airplay feature, though.
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Well guys, I'm very grateful for all the helpful advice I've received through this forum and, thanks to you audio pros, I believe I've been able to narrow down my choices to two speakers. Which are: "The Paradigm Monitor 7 V6" & "The Pioneer SP-FS52"

I'm fairly certain I can get the Paradigm fronts for under $400 through a classified ad that I saw on "Kijiji", hopefully after a bit of haggling. Having said that, I suppose I should mention that I'm from Canada, but I also happen to be within driving distance of the border so I have limited access to the American market. Anyway, my plan now is to follow up with the seller and negotiate the price, if I can, plus audition the speakers a bit. If all goes well, that'll turn out to be a real bargain, but if not then I can always pick up a pair of Pioneer fronts from BB America without too much difficulty.

If any of you have any comments on my current course of action, then please feel free to share them.

Paradigm Kijiji Ad: http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Paradigm-Monitor-7-V6-Tower-Speakers-W0QQAdIdZ474248907

BB Pioneer Speakers: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer---5-1/4%26%2334%3B-Floor-Speaker-%28Each%29/5086937.p?id=1218610014331&skuId=5086937
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Where are you located?
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If you are interested in paradigm you can pm me for info possibly?
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fwiw, the boston acoustics a360's you listed in your 1st post are a great bargin for some great sounding speakers
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I'd go with the Pioneer FS22 fronts and BS22 surrounds, and C22 center. You will be happy with the sound and the cost. When you get the cash find a 12" or better yet a 15" sub. They can be had for under $200.
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Fry's Electronics has the Pioneer FS-52 for $77 each thru Thursday. But its in store only.


Since you're in Canada I doubt you're close enough for a Fry's to take advantage of the deal.

Costco Canada has the Jamo S426 package for under $300.
http://www.costco.ca/Jamo%e2%84%a2-5.0-Surround-Home-Cinema-System.product.10335227.html
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fwiw, the boston acoustics a360's you listed in your 1st post are a great bargin for some great sounding speakers

Yeah, I was seriously considering getting those at one point, but the fact that they only come in white turned out to be a real deal breaker for me.
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Fry's Electronics has the Pioneer FS-52 for $77 each thru Thursday. But its in store only.


Since you're in Canada I doubt you're close enough for a Fry's to take advantage of the deal.

Costco Canada has the Jamo S426 package for under $300.
http://www.costco.ca/Jamo%e2%84%a2-5.0-Surround-Home-Cinema-System.product.10335227.html

Thanks for the links. You're right that, unfortunately, I'm unable to take advantage of those deals running at Fry's. Pretty much the only store within driving distance, relative to my position, is BB Ameirca. Though, I guess I could always try to price match that sale (if it's at all possible).

By the way, since I'm also pursuing the possibility of obtaining those used Paradigm fronts, what would you say are the top things to look out for? I'm just a little curious, and a few tips would be certainly helpful.
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Fry's Electronics has the Pioneer FS-52 for $77 each thru Thursday. But its in store only.


Since you're in Canada I doubt you're close enough for a Fry's to take advantage of the deal.

Costco Canada has the Jamo S426 package for under $300.
http://www.costco.ca/Jamo%e2%84%a2-5.0-Surround-Home-Cinema-System.product.10335227.html
Those Pioneer towers are excellent. I got them for the same price from Best Buy when I was in Chicago at the end of March.
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Just thought I'd post a quick status update, that I've decided to go with the "Pioneer SP-FS52" fronts. After mulling it over, this just seems like the better choice. Plus, price matching it against Fry's didn't turn out to be as difficult as I had originally envisioned, fortunately.

Now, I'm a little curious as to what would work best as far as the sub goes?. A little insight would be appreciated.

By the way, does anyone know where I might be able to get either the Denon 1712/1713 receiver for a bit cheaper? $299 is a bit steep, truth be told.

Central channel speaker: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+Dual+4%22+Center-Channel+Speaker/5086891.p?id=1218610015437&skuId=5086891&st=c22&cp=1&lp=1
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Congrats and enjoy your new speakers ; )

The "go-to" budget HT sub most often recommended in the forums is the Klipsch RW12D. It can often be found on sale for $300-$320 (currently $350 at newegg).

There are several ID brand subs in the $500-$600 range that are a step up and considered very nice for both music and HT.

If you can go with a Denon 1612/1613 those can often be found for $199 and $229 respectively. Because of ever changing standards/technologies your AVR is typically the item you will upgrade most frequently, so spending less on that is not a bad idea.
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Hate to re-open this thread again, but what kind of cabling am I going to need for these speakers? Also, if anyone could recommend some brands to consider it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

By the way, would this be the same kind of situation as with HDMI cables where something that's more expensive doesn't exactly mean it's better?
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monoprice.com for all your cable needs
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monoprice.com for all your cable needs

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Would something like this do the trick?: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902&p_id=2748&seq=1&format=2

By the way, does anyone know where these Pioneer speakers were manufactured? I'm just a little curious as to whether or not I'll have to fork over some extra crash because of duty.
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How would these two compare against one another?:

Rocketfish: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketfish%26%23153%3B+-+50%27+Spool+Speaker+Cable/8315469.p?id=1174092319153&skuId=8315469

Monster: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Monster+Cable+-+XP+50%27+Mini+Spool+Speaker+Cable/3183619.p?id=1051384446703&skuId=3183619

Also, what kind of banana plugs would be suitable for what I'm trying to do here?
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monoprice.com for all your cable needs

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Would something like this do the trick?: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902&p_id=2748&seq=1&format=2

http://www.monoprice.com/pr_id=10239&cs_id=1023901&p_id=2816oducts/product.asp?c_id=102&cp
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By the way, does anyone know where these Pioneer speakers were manufactured? I'm just a little curious as to whether or not I'll have to fork over some extra crash because of duty.

A certain very large and highly populous Asian mainland country, would be my guess. Just got some Infinity floorstanders, and that was country of origin.

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