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I am thinking about doing this for no real reason other than boredom. I've had the Sierras for nearly 4 years and while there is nothing wrong with them, I'm starting to want something new.

As an apartment dweller I try to cap my listening levels at "slightly unreasonable", and I am wondering if there are benefits to using higher efficiency speakers at non-reference volumes.

JTR is at the top of my list because they are SO HOT right now, but this would apply to any similarly sized high efficiency speaker.

For me, I see the pros being:
Placement flexibility due to front port
Potentially much better sound
Would likely be reused as surrounds in a future theater
Can simplify my system by getting rid of separate stereo amp for LR and relying solely on receiver
Use less electricity -> save the earth -> you're welcome

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Would probably have to get a cheap sub to fill out 40-100hz
Probably wouldn't use them to full potential
Ugly as sin
A little larger

I am probably 80/20 movies/music, but I'm not sure I'm a belieber in the distinction people seem to make between "good for music" and "good for movies" speakers.
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I've been having a round of JTR lust after reading the NE gtg thread. However, I was thinking the Noesis 228s, altho the single 8s got some great comments, and the 228s aren't a lot more $...sort of...okay, they're a fair bit larger, too.

You don't use a sub with the Sierras?

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I have a HSU VTF2-MK3 in storage that I used before I moved to NYC. I don't really have the room or volume knob self control to have it here.

The small spaces I now live in are not too much trouble for the Sierras to fill with OK bass. Nothing like the HSU of course.

If I got a small sub to use with the JTRs, I would most likely try to match the bass output of the Sierras, and not really try to do much more.

The pre-sale price of the 228s was very tempting, but the pictures I've seen of their size are ridiculous, especially since speakers usually look even bigger in person.
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I have to tell ya, the single 8's are little monsters. You can drive them to much more than "slightly unreasonable" in an apartment environment with a good avr. I actually loved how they sounded and moderate volumes as well. Very well balanced IMO. If I did not want to do DIY, and wanted to spend under $1k each, they would win for me. I would also agree with hd, the Noesis 228 with grills and stands could be sweet. Not sure what your taste is, but I preferred the single 8 (with sub of course) to the sierra tower at the GTG.
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[quote name="pj325is" url="/t/1469009/considering-replacing-ascend-sierra-lcr-with-jtr-single-8s#post_23222916", but the pictures I've seen of their size are ridiculous, especially since speakers usually look even bigger in person.[/quote]


It's all relative of course, but to me they look very compact!! smile.gif







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It seems like one of the big benefits of the JTR's is the ability to play loud and clean. In your apartment do you think you can do that? In addition, the JTR single 8's will definitely need a sub. They are rated at 80hz whereas the Sierra bookshelves are 44hz.

Not trying to talk you out of it, if I were selecting between these two speakers I would go JTR, but since you already own the Sierra's in a restricted apartment with no subwoofer useage......

I say wait until you move...
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I have to tell ya, the single 8's are little monsters. You can drive them to much more than "slightly unreasonable" in an apartment environment with a good avr. I actually loved how they sounded and moderate volumes as well. Very well balanced IMO. If I did not want to do DIY, and wanted to spend under $1k each, they would win for me. I would also agree with hd, the Noesis 228 with grills and stands could be sweet. Not sure what your taste is, but I preferred the single 8 (with sub of course) to the sierra tower at the GTG.

Since they didn't use a sub with the Sierra Tower, wonder how they fared against each other without sub or did the Single 8 always have the benefit of a sub?

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I have a HSU VTF2-MK3 in storage that I used before I moved to NYC. I don't really have the room or volume knob self control to have it here.

The small spaces I now live in are not too much trouble for the Sierras to fill with OK bass. Nothing like the HSU of course.

If I got a small sub to use with the JTRs, I would most likely try to match the bass output of the Sierras, and not really try to do much more.

The pre-sale price of the 228s was very tempting, but the pictures I've seen of their size are ridiculous, especially since speakers usually look even bigger in person.

If you don't trust yourself with a sub.....you sure you can control the volume knob for the 8's? smile.gif

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Lol...someone wants to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. Always a bad idea for those of us that are cheap bastards.

JTR 8's and Sierra are very different animals...very different. Make sure you audition the 8's before you buy. It would be hard to see someone, at least for music, loving the 8's and the Sierra both.

Anyway... my .02 minus .05 for taxes.
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If you don't trust yourself with a sub.....you sure you can control the volume knob for the 8's? smile.gif

I figure it's less of a problem since those frequencies dont travel through walls and floors as easily. I've played my sub-less Sierras quite loud without any complaints from neighbors.

I received a few wall knocks when I had my HSU in previous apartments.

"very different" is appealing to me. I would expect them to have more "edge" than the SIerras, for lack of a better term. The only way I could see myself being disappointed is if there's little difference because that would mean I'd just dropped 2700 bucks + the cost of a small sub for nothing.
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It seems like one of the big benefits of the JTR's is the ability to play loud and clean. In your apartment do you think you can do that? In addition, the JTR single 8's will definitely need a sub. They are rated at 80hz whereas the Sierra bookshelves are 44hz.

Not trying to talk you out of it, if I were selecting between these two speakers I would go JTR, but since you already own the Sierra's in a restricted apartment with no subwoofer useage......

I say wait until you move...


While the Sierra's are rated at 44hz I highly doubt they would sound good playing that low. Heck the 212HT's are rated a 55hz aren't they.

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[quote name="pj325is" url="/t/1469009/considering-replacing-ascend-sierra-lcr-with-jtr-single-8s#post_23222916", but the pictures I've seen of their size are ridiculous, especially since speakers usually look even bigger in person.


It's all relative of course, but to me they look very compact!! smile.gif







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Now you're just showing off Carp! tongue.gif

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Well since aesthetics play a big role...I'd pass on the JTRs their looks just don't do it for me...the CATS on the other hand really got my attention......cool.gif But right now I'm not in the market for new speakers...maybe one day...biggrin.gif

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Since they didn't use a sub with the Sierra Tower, wonder how they fared against each other without sub or did the Single 8 always have the benefit of a sub?

They were running with subs always. The Sierra's can be rated as low as they want, but I personally wouldn't buy them expecting a great full range experience. Of course, others will like them just fine that way, as they are nice speakers.

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While the Sierra's are rated at 44hz I highly doubt they would sound good playing that low. Heck the 212HT's are rated a 55hz aren't they.

Agreed. I don't think the Sierra's really killed it in full range, but the single8 with sub kicked arse.
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Well since aesthetics play a big role...I'd pass on the JTRs their looks just don't do it for me...the CATS on the other hand really got my attention......cool.gif But right now I'm not in the market for new speakers...maybe one day...biggrin.gif

The CATs sounded better than they looked.
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I figure it's less of a problem since those frequencies dont travel through walls and floors as easily. I've played my sub-less Sierras quite loud without any complaints from neighbors.

I received a few wall knocks when I had my HSU in previous apartments.

"very different" is appealing to me. I would expect them to have more "edge" than the SIerras, for lack of a better term. The only way I could see myself being disappointed is if there's little difference because that would mean I'd just dropped 2700 bucks + the cost of a small sub for nothing.

Since you already have a good sub in storage, just use that and turn the gain down to your liking. You don't have to shake the walls.
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If you don't trust yourself with a sub.....you sure you can control the volume knob for the 8's? smile.gif

I figure it's less of a problem since those frequencies dont travel through walls and floors as easily. I've played my sub-less Sierras quite loud without any complaints from neighbors.

I received a few wall knocks when I had my HSU in previous apartments.

"very different" is appealing to me. I would expect them to have more "edge" than the SIerras, for lack of a better term. The only way I could see myself being disappointed is if there's little difference because that would mean I'd just dropped 2700 bucks + the cost of a small sub for nothing.

I love my Sierras, but I have a fairly large room and would like....well, more! Fortunately I can run 3 subs to help for now as my wallet keeps turning me down on new speakers and bigger subs....

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As a New Yorker and fellow Sierra 1 owner I feel your pain!
I realize you are 80/20 movies and music
But maybe upgrading to the Nrt tweet can offer enough of a change to satisfy the yearning.
As an added bonus the act of doing the upgrade yourself can be an extra kick in the pants :-)

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Since you already have a good sub in storage, just use that and turn the gain down to your liking. You don't have to shake the walls.

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But seriously, the main issue with my big sub is that it's so huge. I am moving into a 2br next month that is maybe 750sq ft total. I would sell it and buy a smaller sub, most likely. The HSU and the fancy glass top I had made for it are just collecting dust and losing value now.
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As a New Yorker and fellow Sierra 1 owner I feel your pain!
I realize you are 80/20 movies and music
But maybe upgrading to the Nrt tweet can offer enough of a change to satisfy the yearning.
As an added bonus the act of doing the upgrade yourself can be an extra kick in the pants :-)

Haha, way ahead of you! I Nrt'd my Sierras in 2010 when that upgrade first came out. That held me for a while, but I'm starting to get the shakes again.

Dave has been teasing a new Sierra upgrade for like a year now, but I suspect it may end up being another good but relatively minor upgrade.
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The CATs sounded better than they looked.

Hi Robert...that's what I'm afraid of...lol. One of the guys at the GTG lives about 20mins from me(owns the CAT12 & 8s) and I wouldn't want to risk an audition at this time because I'm very content with the Sierras...smile.gif

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Hi Robert...that's what I'm afraid of...lol. One of the guys at the GTG lives about 20mins from me(owns the CAT12 & 8s) and I wouldn't want to risk an audition at this time because I'm very content with the Sierras...smile.gif

Just sent you a PM with the same topic. LOL.
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Hi Robert...that's what I'm afraid of...lol. One of the guys at the GTG lives about 20mins from me(owns the CAT12 & 8s) and I wouldn't want to risk an audition at this time because I'm very content with the Sierras...smile.gif

I know how you feel, I have to admit I'm nervous to hear the Cat 12's next weekend.
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I know how you feel, I have to admit I'm nervous to hear the Cat 12's next weekend.

Be afraid..........be very afraid

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Chop!!!! eek.gif Come on now man.... you told me everything would be ok!! biggrin.gifwink.gifsmile.gif

Seriously, I can't wait for this GTG.
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Why don't you add in a good sub? if your mostly movies I think that should clearly be your next buy. I think the Sierra-2s are a few months away, June I think? add a sub and upgrade to Sierra-2s should be a solid upgrade.
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But seriously, the main issue with my big sub is that it's so huge. I am moving into a 2br next month that is maybe 750sq ft total. I would sell it and buy a smaller sub, most likely. The HSU and the fancy glass top I had made for it are just collecting dust and losing value now.

If the sub is too big, that makes sense, but as to the other part there is a gain knob on the subwoofer. You can turn it up or down to control LFE.

Sounds like you would do well with something sealed and compact. SVS, PSA, Rythmik, and Hsu all have some nice sealed subs that are fairly compact.
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Since they didn't use a sub with the Sierra Tower, wonder how they fared against each other without sub or did the Single 8 always have the benefit of a sub?

The Single 8's were run with a pair of subs actually; S2's. The Sierra's were run full range at the owners request.

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Hi Robert...that's what I'm afraid of...lol. One of the guys at the GTG lives about 20mins from me(owns the CAT12 & 8s) and I wouldn't want to risk an audition at this time because I'm very content with the Sierras...smile.gif

Would that be Bill in Woodbridge by chance? If so, I was just over their a few days ago and that is quite a system he has. I'm sure he would be more then happy to demo it for you.

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