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Right now I have a couple def tech mythos fours for my fronts and a jbl center. I would like to upgrade my centers and fronts to a matching set, but I'm not exactly sure exactly what I need to be spending to really "qualify" my upgrade. I do not have pristine ears to tell the difference in super hi end audio but I really do appreciate a nice surround sound. So I don't feel comfortable spending money that my wife and I can't hear a difference in.

Just looking around I was possibly thinking about the Aperion versus grand bookshelf with a matching center. Would this be a OMG amazing difference upgrade, or more , hmm I guess they're better.

I am also open to other ideas somewhere around the price range.

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Room is 13x 20 with 18ft ceiling
To be used exclusively with movies.

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2 paradigm pdr10's
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I was also just looking at the Sierra 1, I wonder if they are that much better?

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That's a fairly large space, I'm not 100% sure about the Aperion versus grand bookshelf sufficiently filling that space ...

Budget wise the versus grand bookshelves are 700 and the versus forte center is 450. So that makes your budget approx 1250.

Ascend Sierra 1's across the front would be a very, very nice upgrade for 1290. (1430 with the pedestal stands.) These would not likely give you too much more volume, but the sound quality would be noticeably better, clearer, etc.

Some other less expensive but very nice upgrades could be ...
- Focal chorus towers and center currently on sale at accessories4less for 1150. http://www.accessories4less.com/index.php?page=search&search_query=Focal&x=0&y=0

- Also from Accessories4less the KEF Q500 towers with the Q200c center for 1090.

- Ascend CMT-340's for 970 (1100 if you include the pedestal stands).
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One other thought - you said "I really do appreciate a nice surround sound". Depending on your room's space/layout, the Mythos 4 could make for excellent floor standing surrounds wink.gif (Correct placement would be needed though.)
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With the versus grand I was actually thinking using the versus grand center with the bookshelves not the forte.

Is that overkill?

I want to keep it around 1800 or under for the front three.

In have seen lot of talk about the Sierra's though, they must be spectacular

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The Sierra's just don't look as good. This is going in my living room

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With the versus grand I was actually thinking using the versus grand center with the bookshelves not the forte.

Is that overkill?

I want to keep it around 1800 or under for the front three ...

The versus grand center would not be overkill. I would still have some concern about the versus grand bookshelf filling the room ... I wouldn't have that concern with the other speaker sets I listed.

Did you notice that the sierra 1's come in several finishes?

Of the speakers I listed the Focals probably have the strongest sense of "design" to the cabinets.

Considering your budget I would add the following amendments to my list ...
- Get the NRT tweeter upgrade on the Sierra 1's.
- Get Q600c center with the KEFs.
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So. I looked and the other finishes available do look much nicer o. The Sierra-1. The center channel I noticed is basically the same exact speaker with a tweeter turned on its side. Almost all other manufacturers seem to have much beefier options for their center channels.

Anyone have this or have you heard this model with this setup? Since it will be the most important channel in the mix I want to make sure it is up to the tasks of all my movie watching.

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IMHO, there is no reason to have a center channel any more competent than the right/left speakers. The center channel speaker has two important roles:
1. Dialogue and this requires a much small 'range" than a other the L/R
2. It needs to pass dynamic content that becomes direction from side to side in a seemless way, so for this it has to have characteristic very similar to the L/R speaker
Again, IMHO, the front stage and not the center channel are 1A in "most imporant" components of a HT set up. 1B, of course is the sub.

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Comparing the specs of the sierra 1 bookshelf with the versus grand bookshelf what is the big difference in them that will make the sierras fill a room that the versus grands are lacking? Sorry just trying to learn.

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For that space I would be inclined to go with the Sierra towers. However, the entry level Sierra towers are $1898. What are using for a subwoofer or subwoofers?

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... Again, IMHO, the front stage and not the center channel are 1A in "most imporant" components of a HT set up. 1B, of course is the sub.

A hearty +1. For HT a primary goal is to have a well matched front three (LCR) speakers to create as even and cohesive a "front stage" as possible. Anything that gets in the way of that (including a "beefier" center) should be avoided. The more balanced/seamless the front stage the cleaner the sound, including dialog, you'll get.

Both the ascend speaker sets I mentioned earlier give you this wink.gif (I suggested the other two because you seemed to prefer towers for your LR mains.)
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Comparing the specs of the sierra 1 bookshelf with the versus grand bookshelf what is the big difference in them that will make the sierras fill a room that the versus grands are lacking? Sorry just trying to learn.

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My concern isn't based on the specs but on having heard them - they have excellent sound quality but began to fall apart when played at louder volumes. Also, in some of the Aperion promo literature it indicates they were designed for a smaller space or as surrounds.

BTW, +1 re Postrokfan - the Sierra Towers would be a perfect fit for your space, but even without a center they are outside your budget. (IMO, the Horizon center makes for one of the best towers-center trio I've ever heard! But at that point your talking a 3k budget ...)
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so I just called out to Ascend and they recommended the cmt-340 s over the Sierra 1 because my main use is home theater.

I wonder if the 340 s would even be a step up from my def tech mythos fours and jbl center that I already have sitting there?

opinons please, are these in the same league?
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To my ear the 340's would be an upgrade over the Mythos. (It's worth noting that the 340's play louder than the Sierra 1's - with your room size this is part of why I put them on my list.)

But, this is a definitely a preference issue! It would be worth asking about a comparison of these two in the Ascend owners thread and the DefTech owners thread.
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To my ear the 340's would be an upgrade over the Mythos. (It's worth noting that the 340's play louder than the Sierra 1's - with your room size this is part of why I put them on my list.)

But, this is a definitely a preference issue! It would be worth asking about a comparison of these two in the Ascend owners thread and the DefTech owners thread.

+1 Agreed. I think the 340s would be a great fit for HT due to output. The Sierras are fantastic for music and great for HT as well but they are much less efficient.

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