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I currently own 2 pairs of Energy-70s with two different setups, at two different places. One with the NAD 275BEE amp and the other one with the Rogue Audio Sphinx amp, both setups are using the Oppo 105 as preamp.

Now, the question is will the Studio 100 v5 be a big improvement over the RC-70s with one of those setup?? Unfortunately the local deal does not have the Studio 100s for demo purposes, only the Studio 60s. I don't want to spend a chunk of money on the Studio 100s if the upgrade is actually a lateral move or even a downgrade.

Lastly, any suggestions for a pair of speakers in the 3-5k range that would be a big improvement over the RC-70s with any of the two setups?? Thanks ahead for any suggestions!!
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I almost went to the Studio 100's, before going to the Signatures. A friend of mine has the 100's and they are absolutely phenomenal for the price. Yes the Paradigm Signatures are slightly better and yes I paid a lot more to get maybe 5% better performance, but I had the money and went for it. That said, the Studio 100's are probably the most refined and powerful pair of speakers under $5,000 /pr.

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Thanks for the reply. But are they a significant upgrade from the RC-70s???
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Thanks for the reply. But are they a significant upgrade from the RC-70s???

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Probably the Paradigm, especially if there was a good subwoofer in the system.

But consider:

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Usual caveat. Your RC70 is good enough that things like room tuning and system tuning could bear more fruit, sonically speaking.
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Please ignore for my lack of knowledge, but I don't know much about reading those graphs. So what do they mean in terms of its performance again one another??
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Please ignore for my lack of knowledge, but I don't know much about reading those graphs. So what do they mean in terms of its performance again one another??

Smooth, relatively flat frequency on-axis frequency response is generally agreed upon to be the most important criteria for loudspeaker sound quality. Second place belongs to off-axis response. They presume that the speaker can get loud enough without audible amounts of nonlinear distortion which is usually the case unless you have a very large room, very small speakers, or play things really loud.

Just to reiterate, how you look at these charts changes if you have a subwoofer. If you have a good subwoofer, everything below 80-100 Hz is far less significant. Everything above 15 KHz is far less significant just because of how the ear worlks at high frequencies.

All of these speakers are far from shabby, which is why I have suggested to look at the larger system, particularly the room.

Whether or not you are using an AVR's system optimization feature such as Audyssey, MCACC or YPAO also matters - it will tend to smooth out any large imperfections, but will probably not chase down every small one.
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Thanks so much for the explanation. These speakers are strcitly for 2 channel music only. Would you recommend moving from the RC-70s to the Studio 100s though?
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These are in very different price ranges (unless you're getting the 100v5's for a steal), but the RC-70's should be okay with some decent EQ. The midrange/upper midrange and lower treble look quite recessed in those graphs, but some EQ could probably pull them up without too much of an issue.

What's your budget? Any reason you've narrowed it down to just the Studio 100v5's?

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Budget is 5k for a pair, preferably without a sub as I can add it later if needed.
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Thanks so much for the explanation. These speakers are strcitly for 2 channel music only. Would you recommend moving from the RC-70s to the Studio 100s though?

I really like Studio 100s but I don't see any reason for dumping the RC-70s unless you have first exhausted all of the system tuning and room acoustics alternatives.
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Budget is 5k for a pair, preferably without a sub as I can add it later if needed.

If you don't have a good sub, I'd put that first.
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I've always thought that I shouldnt do any EQs because it adds coloring to the original signal?? Im pretty new to this expensive hobby. With that being said, im gonna hook up an EQ that I already have yo see what happens.
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If you don't have a good sub, I'd put that first.

Reason being no room for it now.
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If you don't have a good sub, I'd put that first.

Reason being no room for it now.

Oh come on! My Paradigm 12" sub is 17" x 19" x 22".
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Oh come on! My Paradigm 12" sub is 17" x 19" x 22".

If I remove stuff out of the room for the sub, my girlfriend might remove me from the house!!
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If I remove stuff out of the room for the sub, my girlfriend might remove me from the house!!

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That said, the Studio 100's are probably the most refined and powerful pair of speakers under $5,000 /pr.

Thanks for the laugh! biggrin.gif
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I might as well go all out and get the signature s8. Gonna go audition several brands in the 10k range. Any recommendation at this price point??
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Compared to the old C series...
http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/energy_connoisseur_c9/
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The midrange/upper midrange and lower treble look quite recessed in those graphs, but some EQ could probably pull them up without too much of an issue.

Is EQing that "recession" necessary? Just curious because I know they're considered a bit laid back but that's what I've always loved about them.
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Compared to the old C series...
http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/energy_connoisseur_c9/

Yea, a shame isn't it?
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Take a look at these speakers. At the recent get together people were mentioning that they had significant output down into 20's hz. These can be purchased in various colours and finishes. The Red that Mark offers looks amazing.
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post?id=3044980

Go to post 906 and look at the last 11 pictures or so. Those red speakers are them and they are amazing. Picture 134 is a nice view of them. Since you said you cant fit a separate sub these can be run full range and still have enough bass than you can get away without a sub.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1446450/ne-spring-speaker-shootout-gtg-date-poll-and-discussion/900#post_23204158
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I had a chance to go audition a pair of Vandersteen Treos and the Quattros with a buddy. We tried the Treos first, and thought I have found my speakers but as soon I heard the Quattros, I knew they are the ones to get. The Quattros had better separation, the bass is a lot cleaner (as it should with a built in sub). I forgot what song they were playing, but for a moment we thought we were at a live concert. The imaging and the openness of both models were incredible.
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the Studio 100's are probably the most refined and powerful pair of speakers under $5,000 /pr.
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I'm assuming when you say that it's in regards to these two speakers? That's a pretty bold statement if you mean any pair of speakers below $5,000/pr.
I had Studio 100v5's and the matching CC690 center channel in my theater for a week to demo them and I'll just say that they weren't my cup of tea and went with something else.
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Hey - just checking in to see what you decided to do regarding upgrading from RC-70 to Studio 100. I'm in a similar situation, and want to upgrade my 2 channel set-up from RC-30 to Paradigm, either the 60's or 100's.

I know there's a big price difference, but would probably look for a used pair of 100's,

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