I made a thread a few weeks ago but received no comments, and that's a good
thing. Said post was incoherent and unfocused with no real direction; was more a spur of the moment post. And as such I decided against "bumping" it.
My goal is to upgrade my mancave (bedroom) from 7.1 to 11.2. Why? Because it's there, Sure it's not very practical being so many speakers in this pretty small room, but I have the desire to do so anyways. This will be the beginning of my adventure down the speaker hole.
I want to be as true (neutral?) to the intended sound as possible with my options of compromises. Not replicating what the mixmaster heard, but instead what that person intended to be heard--If lifelike digital cannons was the target, I want to here that; if a dull lifeless muddled pop song was the end result I want that too. This is why I'm interested in Neo: X, extracting information that's present yet hidden.
I will be using subs with, likely, 80hz crossover, so speakers going deep is not really needed, but having clean low Mids and vocals are more important if it comes down to it.
Timber matched speakers for at least 7.x set. Heights and wides matching is not requred (but prefered).
*Average listening level is between -45dB & -30dB, with Dynamic EQ enabled with a Reference Offset of 0. I will not go past -20dB, so speakers that perform well at lower volumes is very important. What I mean by this is, to my understanding, there are some speakers that play noticably worse at lower volumes. If Audyssey/Dynamic EQ will adjust for this, then disregard this statement.*Budget
~$2,500-3,000, but will gladly increase within reason if the bang:buck is a bit better. Dosen't have to be significantly different, only noticable.
Planning to focus on the main trio>surrounds>wides>heights>subs>treatment (if possible) in that order.Obstacles
: My ~1,000cft. room (see attached layout). Very large waveless waterbed (it's the only bed I can sleep; tried MANY).
*I'm not totally against moving the bed, but I think doing so would do more harm than good. I'm open to sugestions*Restrictions
types, as any serious wall or ceiling changes are off limits (for the near future).Usage
My main source is a Computer (via HDMI), which acts as my Blu-ray, multi-channel audio sources and my primary gaming device along with PS3/X360/Wii U. Display is an LG 55" LM7600.
Receiver is a Denon 4520CI
, upgraded from a Denon 1712 as I wanted Neo: X processing and the possibility for 11.2 WITHOUT external amps or processors--space is tight enough.
Mostly discrete multi-channel music ang gaming, mostly gaming. Lots of resolution with a large dynamic range and supurb imaging--this is the type of sound I'm aiming for and will greatly influence compromise choices with said target in mind.Current speakers
Main L/R are some old Technics SB-A28 towers, and the rest are from a HTIB JBL Cinema 300 package I got for free with a Newegg order few years ago.
I will be auditioning like a good caveman, but I would like some help making a practical selection. Comments on layout, placement or tips on what to look for while auditioning is also appreciated.
Tower, bookshelf, monitor, satelite, horizontal/vertical center, and looks matter not to me. I will get what I must to position the speakers the best I can within the constraints of my room. A new layout would not go unwanted.
Here's the four speakers I've mostly been looking into, especially from how often they are recommended for their price point.
Ascend Acoustics CMT-340, CBM-170-I was really liking the feedback I've seen on these, however I'm concerned with the CMT-340's being rear ported. If the CBM-170's have matching timber I guess it makes it a non issue for side surrounds.
HSU HB-1 MK2-Would the horn loaded tweeters be a problem at such close range?
Focal Chorus 700 line
NHT Classic Two/Three
... and others I've got on my list but haven't really researched much these options yet:
Infinity Primus P363
Wharfedale Diamond 10.1/10.2/10.3
I'm interested in electrostatics/planars/Magnepans, but I don't think the room or 4520CI alone could do a full set of them justice. I'd love to try some out though.
DIY is also an option I'm starting to explore.
I'm no stranger to electronics (a hobby of mine is tinkering with unwanted or damaged electronics, rarely sucessfull but it's fun!), and am confident in my skills to build fairly complex crossovers or what have you...
However, my woodworking skills go about as far as "see stick, apply marshmellow, burn, profit", although I am pretty handy with a battle
I've only started looking at some DIY kits to really get my moneys worth. If I do opt for this road, I will be sticking with proven designs, especially those that would work with unassembled baffle kit or tailored to premade boxes.
My biggest concern going DIY is timber matching.
I've seen a fair number of SEOS reccomendations. How do some popular designs compare to my list? Are there any designs that really stand out or ideal for my situation?
Feel free to reccomend some subs if you wish, but that's not the goal of this thread. If need be, I will make a new thread specifically for DIY or subs in the proper section.
Some questions I have...
1) Originally I was exploring Di/Bi/Omni-poles (and the Axiom quads), but stopped fearing I would have issues with discrete channel directionality and annoying pans without timber matching. Should I revert my stance? Would "surround" speakers be a better option for the sides at this distance without really affecting directionallity yet still recognize a sound from the correct side/distance?
2) Is there anything that makes the "speaker" dissapear?
3) What makes one speaker better at imaging than another, aside from the room, location, waveguides/horns and timber matching? Anything?
4) Am I truely asking to much for this room? This sickness is already pretty bad; been having nightmares doing speaker auditions for my ideal room for my ideal house in my ideal future.
This is my room with my current layout, including textbook speaker angles to give myself a visual (colored for each pair).
I have highlighted where I think the best option for placing front wides (green) & heights (purple). The heights would be hanging down and angled towards me at a 45° angle. All other speakers will be toed in, stereo channels will aim at the oposing side ear.
Side L/R surrounds are on boxes AMT, but planning to mount them ~2.5'-3.0' above ear level either on a little shelf or wall mount bracket.
Rear L/R are currently angled more towards the nearby walls, using the reflection to help get stereo seperation. I would like to have them ear level, but the door is an issue. *thinking of removing the bed head and using some kind of up-and-over stand to reach angle and ear height. If that's not possible, mabey a wall mount at angle and pointed downward--afraid this may be worse being basically less than 30 degrees overhead. Any ideas?
The desk is shown, but will be replaced to accomodate speakers as needed. I don't want to wall mount the tv, although it's light I don't trust the studs on that corner of the house after the tree fell--we didn't touch that wall to save money at the time).
*The closet is open, but full of boxes of my childhood and I have thick curtain over it thinking it helps with reflections. The head of the bed goes up about ~4-5 feet from the floor, blocking most of the closet.*
Your advice on this list? Should be crossed off or recommended? Any speakers I should know about that are overlooked or "ideal" for this size or room?
Thanks in advanced.
(wow this got longer than I intended. Hope it's not as bad as the previous thread...)