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Although almost all the advice in this thread has been good, I think we're making the mounting technique too convoluted. If you have 6" of stud depth, just run wires to the speaker location and install the sheetrock. Then cut the proper holes for the speakers and mount them in the drywall. It's not brain science or rocket surgery. If the studs are too close together, you have to mount the subs elsewhere. The speaker locations in your drawing were pretty close to ideal. And don't drill into the speaker enclosures. MDF won't accept screw threads like wood and you risk ruining the cabinet. There is no real need for new construction brackets, although I used them in my office to guide the learning-impaired drywaller. Use the integrated installation brackets and install the speakers into the drywall. Also, if you don't use the NCB, you have the option of moving the installation location after the room has been drywalled.

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Thanks everyone... I ended up building very sturdy places for my InWall silver mini monitors to rest on, then will use the "legs" and grill frames to sandwich the drywall in between and secure in the wall...as designed. So, as you mention Paul no need necessarily for new construction brackets in my particular case.

7.1 side surrounds mounted high:


Two subs front corners near floor:


View of TV wall w/ L/C/R:


Drywall will be finished in a couple of days so I'm excited to keep the progress moving on completing the living room / theater area and get the Audio system online with these speakers and InWall subs.

Another question, anyone know if Triad does waterproof speakers that I could use on my adjoining walkout patio from the basement rec room? I pre-wired for two speakers out there to be controlled from inside on one of the zones in my future A/V receiver. (Guess I'd love recommendations on A/V Receivers at some point too...)

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Thanks everyone... I ended up building very sturdy places for my InWall silver mini monitors to rest on, then will use the "legs" and grill frames to sandwich the drywall in between and secure in the wall...as designed. So, as you mention Paul no need necessarily for new construction brackets in my particular case.

Another question, anyone know if Triad does waterproof speakers that I could use on my adjoining walkout patio from the basement rec room? I pre-wired for two speakers out there to be controlled from inside on one of the zones in my future A/V receiver. (Guess I'd love recommendations on A/V Receivers at some point too...)

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Triad doesn't offer any waterproof or water resistant speakers at this time. I would ask your dealer what they recommend, based upon track record. Many outdoor speakers have a two-year lifespan.

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7.1 side surrounds mounted high:

LOL, that's one way to do it!!
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It's ok right?! wink.gif
I build stuff, but my first in-wall speaker system....
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As long as you made sure the metal dogs fit through the slots when the drywall is in place. It's fine.
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Yes, they can extend down into the drywall area... thanks for the feedback!
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Please help, have a question abourt applicability of Triad Omni Runds in ceiling for my new 7.1 set up. I'm wondering if firing "down" from the ceiling they would work OK as my Surround Back Left / Right speakers.

I'm configuring these Surround Back Left / Right speakers per this arrangement:
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/home-theater/surround-sound-speaker-set-up/

Thank so much for the quickest feedback / thoughts anyone may have, especially anyone who's using Triad Omni Rounds in a similar/same set up as this?
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Can anyone help ony question re: Omni Rounds for rear L and R surrounds in 7.1?
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Can anyone help ony question re: Omni Rounds for rear L and R surrounds in 7.1?
THANK YOU!!!

My theater setup is similar but I'm using James 62CS Inceiling with a directional tweeter for the back.

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Please help, have a question abourt applicability of Triad Omni Runds in ceiling for my new 7.1 set up. I'm wondering if firing "down" from the ceiling they would work OK as my Surround Back Left / Right speakers.

I'm configuring these Surround Back Left / Right speakers per this arrangement:
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/home-theater/surround-sound-speaker-set-up/

Thank so much for the quickest feedback / thoughts anyone may have, especially anyone who's using Triad Omni Rounds in a similar/same set up as this?

For a few bucks more, do the American-made InCeiling Bronze/8 Sats. They have an angled baffle that aims the entire driver configuration at the listening area. Pivoting tweeters solve a few problems, but not this one. The Bronze/8 Sats are $450 each. You can spend $400 on an InCeiling Silver Sealed Round, and it's far less of a speaker.

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Again I have a similar setup and I think you will be fine with the Inceiling Triads. IMO

VSX-53, VSX-51,VSX-81 Pioneer Elites and Denon 1611
James loudspeaker inwalls main and future theater
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Again I have a similar setup and I think you will be fine with the Inceiling Triads. IMO
Thank you Paul.
Hookedonc4 - which Triad in ceiling speakers are you referring to? Bronze/8 Sats or Omni Rounds w/pivoting tweeter, Omni Rounds w/out pivoting tweeter?
Again these are just for the rear L and R 's in a 7.1 setup, mounted in 8' ceiling about 6-8' behind seating area.
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Thank you Paul.
Hookedonc4 - which Triad in ceiling speakers are you referring to? Bronze/8 Sats or Omni Rounds w/pivoting tweeter, Omni Rounds w/out pivoting tweeter?
Again these are just for the rear L and R 's in a 7.1 setup, mounted in 8' ceiling about 6-8' behind seating area.
THANK YOU-

I'm using James Loudspeakers and I use Inceiling for the very back with no issues. Triad should be a quality speaker ( maybe not as good as James ) LOL... So IMO you will love your new surround.

I talked earlier about your inwall subs. I have no issues with my inwall subs with M1000 amp either but I also use a EMB1200 on the floor and it blends very well with my inwall subs.

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Looking for a few suggestions on A/V receivers less than $1,000 for a new 7.1 surround system setting up with Triad Silver MiniMonitors all around (except the right & left rear surrounds which are TBD).

Power Handling: Maximum power rating 100 watts. Impedance: Nominal impedance 4 ohms
3.6 ohms minimum.

Also, looking for something that can power a second zone with two small outdoor speakers for a small patio area and a third zone that will power three ceiling Triad OmniRounds for casual music listening.

I'm not partial to any brand but am looking for something with the most value for the $$$. I am also ok with used equipment that I can now get in this same <$1k price range.

Thanks in advance!
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Check out the Denon X3000 and X4000.

My neighbor just installed the X3000 and it's very nice.

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Looking for a few suggestions on A/V receivers less than $1,000 for a new 7.1 surround system setting up with Triad Silver MiniMonitors all around (except the right & left rear surrounds which are TBD).

Power Handling: Maximum power rating 100 watts. Impedance: Nominal impedance 4 ohms
3.6 ohms minimum.

Also, looking for something that can power a second zone with two small outdoor speakers for a small patio area and a third zone that will power three ceiling Triad OmniRounds for casual music listening.

I'm not partial to any brand but am looking for something with the most value for the $$$. I am also ok with used equipment that I can now get in this same <$1k price range.

Thanks in advance!

Make sure any receiver you get is rated into a 6 ohm load. Rarely are they rated at 4 ohms these days, and that frustrates the crap out of me. Denon, Pioneer, Newcastle, and most other receivers will work, and NAD will absolutely work. A 70 watt per channel NAD sounds like a good 125 watt per channel "anything else."

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Make sure any receiver you get is rated into a 6 ohm load. Rarely are they rated at 4 ohms these days, and that frustrates the crap out of me. Denon, Pioneer, Newcastle, and most other receivers will work, and NAD will absolutely work. A 70 watt per channel NAD sounds like a good 125 watt per channel "anything else."
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Watts/channel rating you mention needing is for all 7?
What do you think a out this T748V2 NAD receiver, would it do the job well? Also, I think unfortunately it does not have ability for three total zones as needed.
http://nadelectronics.com/download.php?130729154934-13-041_NAD_T_748V2_DataSheet.pdf|T%20748%20A/V%20Surround%20Sound%20Receiver%20-%20Data%20Sheet
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Check out he Denon X series. I think you would have to kick in an extra $200 for the X4000 but I hear good things about these.

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It really doesn't matter what features, bells and whistles a receiver has if it can't deliver current to speakers. If a receiver is not rated for 6 ohms, pass on it. The best ones are rated for 4 ohms. Or...buy a lower-priced receiver and run line out to a separate amplifier for the front speakers.

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It has been a long, long time since posting as I have slowly but surely finishing my rec room. I am about 90% done finally and in the next couple weeks plan to order the LCD TV (Sharp Aquos 70") and a receiver. And this is where I need help, as my receiver budget is perhaps 500-700'ish and I need to get the most bang for the buck. 2-3 zones (2 is OK I guess...I have three other single speakers in my basement I wanted to power some how). And I need it to have connections for dual sub wooers, they will be powered on their own. Most importantly need this to be a receiver that is OK with my 5 Silver MiniMonitors that are in the wall.
Here is what I think my short list has become, I would sure love some thoughts on this list, or if in similar price range any other ones I may have missed:

1. Denon

X-3000

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/pages/productdetail.aspx?pcatid=avsolutions(denonna)&catalog=denonna_us&catid=avreceivers(denonna)&pid=avrx3000(denonna)

2. Yamaha

TSR-6750WA

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/tsr/tsr-6750wa/?mode=model#tab=product_lineup

One of these four RX-V models?

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/?selected=514211_514213_447952_447953_&mode=compare

One of these two AVENTAGE RX-A models?

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/?page=1&mode=compare&selected=383288_457074_

3. Integra

Not sure if there's a model in my price range...and there's so many to choose from it seems-

http://www.integrahometheater.com/own_manuals.cfm?cat=Receiver

4. Pioneer

VSX 44, VSX 80, or SC 71 (probably outside my price range)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers

PLEASE HELP & THANKS!!!
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It has been a long, long time since posting as I have slowly but surely finishing my rec room. I am about 90% done finally and in the next couple weeks plan to order the LCD TV (Sharp Aquos 70") and a receiver. And this is where I need help, as my receiver budget is perhaps 500-700'ish and I need to get the most bang for the buck. 2-3 zones (2 is OK I guess...I have three other single speakers in my basement I wanted to power some how). And I need it to have connections for dual sub wooers, they will be powered on their own. Most importantly need this to be a receiver that is OK with my 5 Silver MiniMonitors that are in the wall.
Here is what I think my short list has become, I would sure love some thoughts on this list, or if in similar price range any other ones I may have missed:

1. Denon

X-3000

http://usa.denon.com/us/product/pages/productdetail.aspx?pcatid=avsolutions(denonna)&catalog=denonna_us&catid=avreceivers(denonna)&pid=avrx3000(denonna)

2. Yamaha

TSR-6750WA

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/tsr/tsr-6750wa/?mode=model#tab=product_lineup

One of these four RX-V models?

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/?selected=514211_514213_447952_447953_&mode=compare

One of these two AVENTAGE RX-A models?

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/?page=1&mode=compare&selected=383288_457074_

3. Integra

Not sure if there's a model in my price range...and there's so many to choose from it seems-

http://www.integrahometheater.com/own_manuals.cfm?cat=Receiver

4. Pioneer

VSX 44, VSX 80, or SC 71 (probably outside my price range)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers

PLEASE HELP & THANKS!!!

You might want to open a new thread in the Receivers area. Be sure to mention the 6 ohm issue! I note that the Yamaha "A" series rates their power output at 8/6/4/2 ohms .... http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a720_black_u/?mode=model#page=2&mode=paging
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Just need the tv and receiver...appreciate anyone's opinions on a receiver I can go with for the setup!

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For the TV I would go with a Sharp LC-80uq17u. The thing is amazing! For a receiver how about the top o the line Denon 4520ci

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Thanks for the suggestion but that's an $1800 item.

"my receiver budget is perhaps 500-700'ish and I need to get the most bang for the buck. 2-3 zones (2 is OK I guess...I have three other single speakers in my basement I wanted to power some how). And I need it to have connections for dual sub wooers, they will be powered on their own. Most importantly need this to be a receiver that is OK with my 5 Silver MiniMonitors that are in the wall."
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Hello! Any Friday nighters out there that can help with Receiver suggestions? Help! Thanks in advance...
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Uh oh, any Saturday nighters have some advice on a receiver for my set up? Thanks in advance -
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Thanks Dawn will PM you.

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